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WONGERCHI
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11/30/08 12:56 P

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GIANT-STEPS:
I understand the underlying concept behind a beater but I could never leave a bike I like riding with a protective layer of dirt! I'm just a little too obsessive-compulsive about a clean bike.

I've just finished up my cyclocross season where I'd get my bike dirty/muddy/grassy/snowy/all of the above 2x week (once racing, once training). No matter how hard I tried, I had to wash it as soon as I got back home! Even when it was pitch black and -5C out... Interesting times.

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11/28/08 2:36 P

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Hey WONGERCHI,

The whole point of a beater bike is to let you keep your "good" bike in good shape. If you are the type who has to clean and detail their prize steed with pipecleaners to reach every nook and cranny (which I've been known to do on occasion) you beater should always have a protective layer of dirt.

You can find great old bikes that have been unloved for years at garage sales, Goodwills, DAVs, etc. High quality bikes from earlier eras still ride great even if they are decades old and haven't received any love in a long time. If you are handy you can refresh them with new rubber, brake pads, cables, chain, and cluster for a small outlay and have a very servicable bike. When my supply of New Winner freewheels and cogs started to dry up Shimano started to make more sizes of freewheels again, almost on cue.

In some ways I've been prouder of my utilitarian beater bike than my good bike. My beater has more character anyway.



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11/28/08 10:49 A

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I'm actually going to be a little bit contrary about the ozone/tires thing and quote the late, great Sheldon Brown on this... I've also added a link to his website - a font of bike knowledge if ever there was one.

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What people commonly call "dry rot" is a deterioration of the rubber, usually on the sidewalls. This is particularly common with gum wall tires that have been exposed to ozone damage. (A common cause of this is storing a bicycle near a household furnace. The brush-type motors on such furnaces often create sparks, which in turn create ozone.)

This type of damage is ugly, but not structurally significant, as long as the cords (fabric) of the tire are intact.

Generally, if a tire isn't lumpy/misshapen when inflated, and has not had the tread area worn too thin, there is no reason to replace it, no matter how ugly the sidewalls get.

www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html
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Granted, I wouldn't want to leave the tires in there for years and years, but the carbon black that is used in tire construction is designed to protect somewhat against ozone attack. I'd be more worried about the wax flow stopping and leading to tire cracks but it's short term, no?

For what it's worth, from December-April I store my cross bike in the same cupboard as our heating system. When I pulled it out this spring I had no problems with the tires at all - just pump and go. Admittedly I did change out the tires in July but that was because they were a cheap pair and I just wore them out.

Kudos to all you winter riders though - much as I like riding in bad weather I'm done for the year.
I've often considered a beater bike but I'm so anally retentive about having a clean bike that I can't quite wrap my head around it. It's a better use of my time to go down to the basement and ride rollers for aerobic stuff/bike handling or the trainer for intervals than dress, ride, clean up. If I want to head out into the fresh air, I'll run - TRICO is a runner too so I'm sure that's what she's doing!

But my hat's off to you cold weather commuters, for sure.

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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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11/27/08 8:26 P

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Not sure exactly which appliances are worst for ozone but sometimes when I worked in bike shops customers would come in for tuneups in the Spring and their tires looked 20 years old because they stored them over the winter next to something with an electric motor.

I always kept a beater bike around for winter riding, commuting, etc. My beater bikes were pretty good bikes but they didn't look good and were not worth much. My current beater is an early 70's Gitaine. It is all Reynold's 531 and mostly Campy Nuevo Record. I repainted it black when I rescued it and put rad Kuwahara stickers on it that fade from red to yellow. Now it is all chipped up from abuse and looks like Hell but it still rides better than most bikes out there. It does have a French bottom bracket so when that goes I'll probably just throw it out because a bottom bracket would cost more than the frame is worth. Another nice thing is the old Gitaine while a racing bike has clearance for 35mm cyclo-cross knobbies which are nice in the winter. My mid '80's Cinelli "good bike" only barely clears 28mm road tires.



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11/27/08 9:30 A

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NORMAVI:
I am thoroughly impressed. Keep it up, you help motivate us.

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11/26/08 8:30 P

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Hi Tricotine:
Winter riding can be a good thing. But I have more than 1 bike - a hybrid for commuting that I am using in the winter, along with a road bike and a mountain bike, both too expensive to sacrifice to the rages of winter. With the extra lights for riding in the dark winter evenings, rack, pannier, upgraded saddle and pedals, tool kit, new studded tires, full fenders, I wouldn't call my hybrid a junker though. I must admit that this is my first attempt at riding though the winter, but so far it's better than the alternative of waiting for spring.

Find a 2nd bike and don't let winter be your excuse.

Today the ride home from work was in 23 F with light snow coming down. The roads were wet. I'd rather be on my bike than in a car any day. I watched a little girl and her mom catch snowflakes on their tongues. You can't see that from a car.
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11/26/08 7:41 P

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mine is pretty much parked, unless I can catch a nice day on one I am off

The Picture on the left is my motivation to get in shape and lose weight!!!!!!!


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11/26/08 5:16 P

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Wow that is a tip I did not know!
Thanks Giant-Steps

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Oooh... Thanks for that tip! I didn't know...
I assume that the furnace in the basement also produces ozone, right?

Edited by: TRICOTINE at: 11/26/2008 (16:05)
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11/26/08 3:48 P

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One thing I'd add is avoid ozone. Ozone will attack tires. Anything with an electric motor produces ozone so when storeing your bike don't lean it against your sump pump fridge or freezer.



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Thank you, Jim and Wongerchi, for the tips. I am going to take my bike into the house for the winter.

Owning a bike in such a cold place is new to me. I use to live in a warmer country and I was riding everyday to work so I didn't have to bother about parking for winter.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all!
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WONGERCHI - thanks for the response. I am not a fan of MTB riding either and definitely prefer a lighter ride. I plan on focusing lots of attention on regular bowflex workouts with just a bit of riding on the sunny Winter days when the conditions are most favorable. My rides in Winter will be mostly on concrete and asphalt trails. I do think a cross bike will serve me well. I will take your advise on agressive treads and lower tire pressure and plan on more leisurely rides with attention to conditions.

Now I feel even better about just having my Road bike overhauled and tuned, ready for storing!

Edited by: REBCCA at: 11/4/2008 (15:38)
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TRICO:
I store all our bikes indoors in winter. You could probably get away with storing it in the garage provided the temperature fluctuations aren't extreme, but if you're going to do that, make sure you get it checked by the LBS in spring!

I actually take my bikes in for a full overhaul at this time and avoid the rush in the spring. Then I'll take them out for a quick spin to check everything, wash them (well), lube and then store them. I don't bother deflating the tires or anything, they'll naturally go flat over the winter. The cross bike gets put away, the roadbike gets a tire change and then sits on the trainer for the winter.

Right now I just have to wash the roadbike before putting it on the trainer - it got overhauled a couple of weeks ago and I got re-fitted on it yesterday so I've been taking it out and getting used to the new position. But it's time for it to head indoors... The Cross bike will be ridden and raced until the beginning of December and then it'll go for it's overhaul and storage.


REBCCA:
I'm biased because I hate riding MTBs but a cross bike should see you through, provided your bike handling is up to scratch. Get wide (35C) tires and run them at low pressures (~35psi) and you'll be fine. I'm racing with the Michelin Mud2 tire right now and it's fantastic in everything (gravel, dirt, mud, snow, ice) but getting the right tire pressure is critical. You'll be slower, but you'll have bags of grip if you don't do anything silly, like sudden turns on ice.

If you're looking at riding all through winter, you'll need studded tires though. Check that your frame can take the extra width - it should do but you never know.

Edited by: WONGERCHI at: 11/4/2008 (09:50)
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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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11/4/08 7:31 A

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I'm also here in Colorado - Littleton area - I just hang up my bikes in the garage where they seem to be fine. You might want to consider something with wider tires than a cross bike to provide better stability on roads and paths that usually have some ice and gravel in the winter. I use a Specialized hard-tail mtn bike myself. It will go as fast as I need to go for the conditions. Also, I try to wash and re-lube the gears anytime the road people have been using salt or that blue stuff...


 
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I was wondering about how best to store my road bike for the Winter here in Colorado. I intend to get a cross bike so I can still ride on the nicer days.
My road bike was enough of an investment for me that I always keep it in my house. I will ask the LBS for storage tips and post what I find.

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We have road salt on the roads so I refuse to ride any bike after the first dropping of salt.

I will keep the bike in the garage and I will put a blanket over it to help insulate it. I do not have any space in the house to store it. With 4 kids in a 4 bed room home it does get quite crowded;-)

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I am in Maine and I like to bike on the road. With all the snow piling on the side of roads there is not much room for biking and it gets all frozen. Definitely not safe. I know a few people who still bike all winter long but I am not brave enough for that... LOL

I personally prefer to have my snow fun on skis! eh eh

Anyway, thanks for the winter tip to preserve my "baby" during those cold cold months. :-))

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Where are you? Winter cuts back on my riding a bit, but I still put on the layers and get out when I can. I tend to not ride the road bike so much, but I do get the mtn bike out instead. A lot of times I'd ride and my bike is filthy with frozen mud/snow, so in it comes, and in the shower it goes. All my bikes are kept indoors where I can control the temperature. I think it prolongs their life.

Had a blast last year, doing mtn bike rides on singletrack in the snow.... deep snow. That is a beast of a workout! The wind would be howling, the temps in the teens, and we'd still be having a blast. LOL

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In my frozen corner of the world, riding outdoors in winter is not an option. I just got my bike this year, and I wonder how to keep my bike in good shape this winter.

Should I keep it in my garage or should I take it indoors?

Should I slightly deflate tires during that "hibernating" period?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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