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thanx for the suggestions! off to shop.....

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KSEDINGE: That was just my sarcastic humour. No offence taken emoticon

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Normavi--no way did I mean to imply that I feel sorry for winter cyclists (did I imply that?!)! I grew up in Fairbanks, AK, and there are people who ride all through the winter there, even when it's 40 below. My boyfriend also rides every single day of the year here--keeps knobby tires around for when it's icy. If anything, I ADMIRE those who ride when it gets too cold for me. I myself actually ride all through the winter, just not when there's ice or snow (just got back from a 30 mile ride, as a matter of fact).

Julesgl--my absolute favorite cold weather exercise jacket was my Pagatonia R4. It was REALLY warm, and unless you're riding in 20 degrees or colder, the R4 light would probably be better suited. It's a breathable, windproof fleece that's cut for cyclists (i.e. longer in back). They're pricey, but I wore mine hard for 4 years and would have kept it for 5 more if I hadn't lost it.

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I layer and use my Brooks nightlife (high visibility) wind jacket. But not idea. I really like my gortex pants, so maybe a gortex jacket would work well if you can find one that is affordable. I recommend one long enough to cover the lower back and pit zips to vent should spring come.

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OK, I'm looking for a nice winter weight jacket or vest or jersey

Suggestions? My top is getting TOO COLD even though I have lots of layers on. I just must not have the right ones...

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KSEDINGE: That's great that you can substitute the gym in winter, but don't feel sorry for us. I really am enjoying winter biking!!

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I cut way back on road riding when the weather is cold. I commute a few miles each way to school and work, but other that that only go out when it's exceptionally warm. I HATE being cold and even when I push it, don't ever really warm up on cold days. I've had enough rides where I go out for a couple of hours, freeze, have a painful shower when I get home, and spend the rest of the day in the fetal position with wool socks and three blankets. No fun!

Instead, in the winter, I switch over to gym workouts. It's great for cross training, easier to get myself to work out because it's always warm there, AND (added bonus since I don't have television at home) I get to watch some tv to help the time pass. I also go to a couple of pilates classes each week.

My motto is that lack of motivation is no excuse to skip a workout, but when it gets to the point that working out makes me absolutely miserable, it's time to change tactics. I want to keep my relationship with cycling positive, not turn it into something I "have" to do.

Anxiety goes away once the decision is made. Why not make the decision that will take away the anxiety AND make me feel good?


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Bill,

Thanks.
I don't know how tough I am. I just hate indoor exercising and avoid it at all costs!

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TNNSMAN7:
You're tough and we're proud of your persistence. Hang tough!!

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When it's really cold here in Michigan, that usually means snowy & icy roads as well. So for that riding I've put studded tires on an old rigid forked Specialized Stumpjumper mtn bike. I use moose mitts or pogies, on the handle bars. They are oversized mittens that fit over the bar. Your hands go inside and stay pretty warm with just a thin pair of gloves. Check out icebike.org for more info. These only work on flat bars though, so when the roads are clear and dry I still ride my road bike and my hands just get cold. I haven't found a pair of gloves yet that will keep my hands warm on the colder days.

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I have the same problem with my glasses fogging up if I pull the balaclava over my nose. I use an anti-fog gylcerine that my optician gave me that helps, but I have to opt for a cold nose. I don't think I would like a ski helmet. Are they heavier?

I need a "liner" for my thumbs. My gloves are toasty for my fingers, but my thumbs freeze.

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Hi, newbie to the site but definitely not new to cycling.
I set my personal best cold weather ride last week. -5 degrees F. I was warm as toast after about 2 miles. I have big problems with my glasses fogging up when I have the balaclava over my nose. It was so bad I had to take my glasses off to see, then my eyelids starting freezing together. I put the glasses back on and pulled my balaclava down. A cold nose is better than not being able to see or my eyes freezing shut!
It sounds worse than it was. It was a sunny day with little to no wind. Today I rode in 21 degree weather, but 21 mph winds. It was much less comfortable today than last week.

Has anyone tried a ski helmet and goggles in extremely cold weather? I'd like to try it, but haven't yet since I don't ski. I'd like to know it would work before I fork over the cash.

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great job!

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I finally did it. Today was -25 C / -13 F with wind chill and I put on an extra layer on top and bottom and got on bike and rode to work. It was a little slower but was great to be able to feel relatively comfortable on the bike even at this temperature. The only cold part was my thumbs. I had to stop at one point and warm them up. My feet got a little cool by the end of the ride, so toe wiggling was required. but, otherwise, it was OK. Of course, 25 mins. there and another 25 home was enough at this temperature. Hope all the southerners are enjoying above freezing temperatures -- 'cause I'm enjoying sub-zero temps!!

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you are so welcome, I sincerely meant it. We are having ice and snow (and cold) conditions here too. I think it is dangerous for me to try to navigate ice on a bike so I pick my steps when I walk our three dogs.

Way to go for the run, and let's take advantage of any dry asphalt. I have the weather report on my toolbar and Saturday is looking like a possibility.

Keep up the healthy moves!!

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Thanks for the encouraging words, Rebcca. I decided to drive to work - the temperatures were falling and the road surface was pretty messy. Instead I went for a run at lunch. A short snow squall came up on the bayfront trail. The trail went from bare asphalt to snow covered in 2 mins. Eyes and face stinging from the pelting snow and wind. I turned out of the wind, the snow and wind lessened and I finished a 33 mins. run.

Thursday is my next chance to ride to work. It will be very cold again, but I hope the roads will be dryer. I may have to wear my parka, not just my typical layers.

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Normavi if you want to ride and are able to dress for it, then GO for it.
If I saw you out in that weather it would inspire me to release limiting beliefs.
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Tomorrow the temperature is suppose to drop to -5 F (-20 C) plus wind chill. I still want to ride my bike to work. I guess no exposed skin will be a must. Am I crazy?

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Good advice on eBay as a place to pick up cheap gear on the secondary market. I've had some luck on Craigslist too, and even Freecycle.

Oh, and I have to echo some of the other posters here. I love my lobster claw gloves - warm and windproof. Add some liners beneath and they're basically perfect, at least for my uses.



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R: This team is great. I read just about all of the posts on a forum before I chip in. I know that most of what I was saying on this one had been said in one way or another but I thought I would throw together what I could and put it up. I know there are some other experienced individuals in terms of living in the woods..*clearing throat*Bill*more clearing*. :D I have loved sports for years and combining my outdoors experience with the cycling shop experience I think it works out well. I hope everyone keeps posting here. The people have made this team such a great team that I cannot leave. I enjoy this team very much. Good luck to everyone and their goals.

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Sparty, I have to agree that sharing tips is a rewarding experience. I lived on sailboats for 10 years, sailing mostly in warm climates. I do recall a diving adventure in the Bahamas (warm) where a friend got hypothermia. He was a doctor of sorts (physiological psychologist) and knew he had hypothermia. We made a people sandwich around him to warm him up and he was/is fine. When my next question comes up I will certainly post it on this forum. What a great resource you and this group brings. emoticon

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R: I have to admit that I picked up a lot of my tips from going out with the Boy Scouts. I learned the hard way how to survive in the snow. In some cases I was very close to being "that guy" that needed medical attention. I was out once on a trip where we did not expect rain but it happened and a friend ended up with hypothermia. He was wondering around like he had no clue what was going on. Most of us just thought he was tired or something. He ended up being fine and I learned many valuable lessons from that.
I have also, besides military classes, gone to classes at the outdoor shops to learn more about survival in the wilderness and cold. I have been to so many that they blur together in my mind. So if you ever need tips on cycling or cold I have some serious experience as well as many others on this team. That's a big reason why I hang out here. I love looking at the experienced people helping out those that need it. It makes me feel like we are doing something important and making another's life better with our knowledge.

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Wow Bill and Sparty,
You sound like informed consumers. I have to agree with your comments.
Bill thanks for dropping those names, had not heard of them before. emoticon

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There you go Bill. That's a great point that I totally forgot to mention. The stuff on ebay really saves some money. Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you pay for very little of what you get. I have paid pennies for something that should have cost a lot more.

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One More Comment:
I personally have always sworn by some of the biking name brands simply because, in the long run, they pay for themselves. Brands such as: Assos, Campagnolo, Giordana, fit better and wear longer than less costly brands. I've had shorts and jerseys from these brands for over 3 years and they still wear like new. That's after biking over 330 days each year. I've tried the Performance, Pearl Izumi, etc. and they just don't compare.
Now, do I pay full price? Never...I go to E-Bay and buy at deep discounts.
That's my 2 cents and by golly, I'm sticking to it....

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Looks like it is unanimous on the Layer, Layer, Layer dressing for cold weather. Wongerchi makes a good point of the less costly choices found away from LBS. Good scouting for other 'deals' can save too. I saw Underarmour type gear at Target for less than half the cost of that name brand.
Wongerchi, I do appreciate the cross bike advise and plan on riding that bike next fall as well as any reasonable day this Winter. We have high wind warnings today but tomorrow it is predicted to be 62 and I won't pass by that chance to ride.

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All good advice so far, here's my take:

For cold weather gear, you can forget the LBS or any other bike store. Apparent specialist cycling gear is overpriced and overrated, with a few exceptions. The best advice is layer, layer, layer. Non-cotton is definitely recommended but isn't as essential on the bike as if you're a runner. I also add another layer on the top when I bike as opposed to run as my upper body doesn't really heat up too much (cyclocross excepted, of course).

On top I'll have a long sleeved jersey, with a short sleeved one on top - any colder than about 5C I'll add armwarmers to the mix. And then top with a windproof jacket - this is essential. Again, colder than 5C I'll add a windproof fleece gilet that I bought for ice climbing - it's awesome. Bottom is shorts/bibs and legwarmers - I don't really feel the cold on the legs so much and that works well for me.

Feet - toe or full shoe covers are excellent but wicking wool or synthetic socks are a must. Warm, and they wick the cold water away, awesome. Hands I'll double up gloves a la SPARTY, or use my X-country ski gloves, those rule all. I have a light windproof shell that fits under my helmet for the ears - I did try a light beanie underneath but I still got frozen ear tips...


EDITED to add: REBCCA - glad you're loving the Cross bike! They really do rock - fancy giving cross a go next fall?

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I know I'm a little late to add on but I would like to add some of my cold weather history and training.
The first thing that I encourage people to remember is to hydrate, not just when it is hot but when it is cold. You are sweating all the time and during the winter it is a little harder to notice but it IS happening. A camelbak is a great invention that allows your water to stay closer to a certain temp. This will help to keep your water from freezing. When I went out in the cold either for camping or the military we did not have the camelbak at the time. We had to keep our canteens close to our body so they would not freeze.
Next is to layer your clothes. This is crucial for many reasons. If the temp is going to change throughout the day and you are stuck in a very heavy coat you will end up sweating more or freezing. Let me tell you that running around in the snow with just a t-shirt because your coat is too hot is no fun. My buddy swears that to me still. :P Also your outer layers or inner layers can become moist and need to be changed at some point. If you can remove a layer, change it and then get right back to work you will be much happier then the person that has to keep going with a wet heavy coat. If you are out camping overnight you will need to change your clothes each day because of the moisture trapped in yesterday's clothes.
Layering gloves falls under the same concept. People often forget about gloves and keep on a single pair or just bring one. Depending on the elements that will adjust what type you should wear. Some one once told me that mittens were for kids. So after I bumped into them on in the ski lodge, w/ freezing fingers, I asked him how childish I was. Yeah he wasn't happy but he got the point. Today I would still rather wear mittens then gloves during snow conditions but it is not always beneficial to in lighter climates. So in cases like this I wear an inner glove that will add extra protection such as the "magic glove" or a simple woven glove. I am not sure if "magic glove" is a name or not but it is a glove that fits almost all hands and stretches out. It really looked like a child's glove until I had it on my hand. :o
Boots and socks will be similar to the gloves. However, there are differences in the boots that I will address in a moment. The socks that you wear should also be fitting for the weather. When I hike, regardless of temp, I wear wool socks with a polypro, yeah I'm dating myself w/ that term, under sock. Polypropylene was the big material for taking moisture away from the body. Now almost every type of sport company makes something like it but swear that theirs is the best. It doesn't really matter but a nice thick wool sock really helps to keep moisture on top and keep your foot relatively comfortable.
Now for boots or shoes. If you are planning on wearing the same type of boot for cold weather and want to do a double layer system then you need to purchase your socks before you go to buy your shoes. The thickness of the socks will change how your boots fit. It is also important to break in your socks with your boots. This is that you wear the socks a bit to get used to the feel and then do the same with your boots. When I buy new boots I do something that most people would cringe just thinking about but I will share it in case any of you buy leather boots. I will walk through a creek or body of water. I like to give myself about an hour of walking in the water to break them in. This comes to mind because I always wear full leather boots for the military. Anyway back to the shoes. In cycling shoes it is harder to do this. So you don't really want to go out and buy a new pair of shoes there are other options. Try and find the best pair of warm socks that you can. They should be able to wick away the water on their own. The next thing is to buy shoe covers. I have two pairs that I use. One is a simple toe cover and I use it before it gets too cold to ride. The other is a full boot cover. It goes over the whole shoe and has a hole for clipless pedals to connect to the cleat. I can use these during all occasions. They are they heavy types so do not get them confused with the kind that are meant for time trials (TT). Any way I wear the heavier ones during rain, high winds and cold temps. I will use my toe cover in conjunction when it's colder.
For lighter temps that are still fairly cold you can wear arm warmers, leg warmers (not the '80s type) or tights, no I do not mean the kind you wore to ballet class. Most all of these items can be found at you LBS or on the web. I used to work at a rather large store which carries these items: www.performancebike.com
I am not trying to advocate for the store, in fact I recommend your LBS because I support the everyday people like: www.zcbikes.com Yes I know the guys that own this store so I AM an advocate of that store! Ok enough of the cheap plugs there are slight variations to the warmers. Some are simply thicker versions of your polypro material while other have a fleece liner. These are nice but can get warm very quickly if it isn't very far below 70.
Well that is it for this post. I think I have written far too much and most people probably did not want all that info. If there is something specific that someone wants to know your LBS can answer most of your questions or continue to post on here and our great team will continue to give their best answers. This is a great team. Good luck to all!

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p.s. here is a link to see what the glove liners look like....mine are really big but fit under my bike gloves 'cause they are very lightweight
www.olympiagloves.com/glovedetails/c
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A windproof jacket is necessary, but it can be lightweight if you wear layers. I also have windproof pants for the really cold days.

The biggest problem for me to solve was the hands and feet. I took off my clipless pedals and went with regular pedals and a pair of old, low hiking boots that the tread had worn out on. Not so good for walking but great for cycling. The lack of deep treads don't get hooked on the pedals. I forked out dollars for the gloves, though.

I have a lightweight balaclava (not the same as baklava - yum) and I really like it. I pull it down off my chin on warmer days and up to nose and around my cheeks on cold days.

Lastly, my eyes water for the first 5 minutes. I wear glasses, which helps, but they fog. My optician gave me some anti-fog glycerin for free. She said it didn't work, but I find it does.

If the weather is really cold and snowy, check out icebike.org for good ideas. There is an article about a cyclist from Ottawa, Canada that is very interesting. Under the "Index to Articles" - Winter Cycling in Ottawa.

Now that I've gotten through 8 weeks of colder riding, I find I miss it if I have to take the car to work. It's about an 8 km ride (5 mi)
Have fun! N.

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I agree that layers help a lot. It might be good to have a basket or something for convenient removal if you get to warm.

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Hello Marianne,
I though I was just a fair weather rider until I layered up and got out on my favorite trail. Frugal choices can work for gearing up to be comfortable. Layers are IMHO the best way to dress for cold weather. I have found that keeping my hands and feet warm was solved with a purchase of silvery mesh glove liners ($4) and the same material sock liners ($3) at the Army surplus store. I do have bike pants but these could be substituted with other less costly underarmour type pants or even layers of long underwear. For trunk warmth I layer underarmour (or the like, i.e. stretch polyster) with a fleece hoodie and if it is really windy or cold a soft shell jacket. Any windbreaker jacket will work well to hold in warmth. I wear the fleece hoodie down over my forehead and have a fleece cylinder shaped thingy that I pull up if the wind is in my face. The hood and cylinder thing can be replaced with a balcava (sp?) which were selling for $5 at that same Army surplus store. The whole point is that with enough layers biking in cold weather can be delightful. Check out thrift stores if you can't find enough in your closet, after all anything you wear once is used too.
Let me know how it goes!

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I live in Southern Oregon. I'm totally a fair weather rider. I don't have any cycling clothing for cold weather riding. With my weight loss then gain then loss I haven't wanted to invest in cold weather clothes. The economy has hit our pocketbook hard. I'm riding in old clothes, shoes and a 10+ year old bike.

I have gotten the bike maintained (lubed, new chain, tires etc.). The bike works, is a bit heavier than new models and works well. I converted the pedals to clip less which works very well also.
What are all of your suggestions for frugal choices for winter clothes?
I'd love to have your input!
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Today was -6 C / 22 F and I biked to work. The escarpment access road I sometimes take was closed because they were salting an icy corner. The police let me through. It was strange to ride down the escarpment at 45 km/h / 30 mph with no traffic behind or in front. Someone walking on the sidewalk grinned at me and said, "They closed it just for you?"
I was actually happy to go into work just so I would have an excuse to ride. I have new "nanu" or "lobster claw" mitts from Xmas, new warm socks that are not polypropylene or wool (I'm allergic) and some new lights for my helmet. The roads were so dry and the traffic light that I road home -- usually I take the bus up the 300 ft. escarpment home. Today I rolled my bike up the 300 steps.
Winter days like these are great.

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It was 40 degrees with 15 mph wind today. With the right gear I was warm enough and feel I have made a whole new discovery in Winter riding.
I love the endorphin high. Those 17 miles gave me time to clear out the stresses I didn't even realize I was holding.
Nice! and yes, Fun too!

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I hear ya! Overfed, under motivated. But after reading about your ride, I can't wait to ride to work tomorrow. 32 F, snow has melted, roads are dry. It's great to be home with the kids for 4 days, but I am ready to get back into my comfortable routine.
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I went (unprepared) on a gruop ride a few weeks back. Came home, purchased nessesary gear, and refused to ride for a few weeks. Holidays, excuses, etc. Today was my first day back. I am overfed and out of shape :)

I made it out today, and I think if getting out is a motiivational thing, what works for me is going on a "fun ride". Ride out to coffee, or the video store or something like that if you can. My minimun goal today was a measly 5 miles to starbucks. I stayed out for 18, and never got coffe. It's a reminder of why you cycle, because it's fun.

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Thank you Bill!

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I just got a new cross bike so the whole new option of Winter rides has opened for me. It was 40 degrees today so I layered up and went out for a ride. WOW it was wonderful to glide about under those deep blue skies and warm up on the hill climbs. It is going to be a great Winter!!

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If the limit for excersice outside is truly 20 F, then many Canadians and northern Americans would be couch potatoes or indoor gym rats for the winter. I have run and skiied at temperatures near 0 F. No problem, but best to get use to "in through the nose, out through the mouth". See icebike.org
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Sarah, I have windproof, fleece lined tights and they are so warm. You should be able to find them at most of the online stores.

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Any suggestions for keeping ones backside and upper legs warm?

They seem to be the area I'm having trouble with.

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When I went out for winter track in high school our coach's rule was not to run outside below 20F. He said that air this cold can hurt your lungs when you breath hard so I use the same rule for cycling.

Above 20F I dress for the weather. If the weather is just a little colder than is comfortable in normal attire I wear a long sleve jersey and put baby oil on my legs. When it gets colder I add a light jacket and unpadded tights over my shorts. When it gets closer to 20F I use tights with a wind breaking front, heavier jacket, sking gloves, belaclava, and booties. When riding hard your legs generate a suprising amount of heat so you usually don't need as much clothing on them as you do your upper body.

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Once it gets below 40 we do only mountain bike riding. I don't like cold weather too much. We do have all the clothing we need to keep warm, but if we can't get on the trails we use the trainer inside.

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Today I rode to work (and home) at -10 C / 15 F. Some light snow on the local streets but the main roads were bare. There's a short section of trail I have to take to avoid a steep grade and it was snow covered. I have determination to ride through the winter, but I don't have experience. I felt the bike slipping out from under me on the trail, recovered, but thought afterwards that I have a lot to learn yet about riding in winter conditions.
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2 other suggestions,

get a trainer and ride your bike indoors, or if you're really brave get a set of roller.

try mountain biking, you work alot harder, go slower and I find it to be a little warmer in the trees vs. on the road. It might be be from the lack of wind but it does feel warmer.

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I figure that I'll go back to running after it starts to snow. I started running last year while there was still snow and ice on the ground. I don't plan to ride bike in ice and snow - too dangerous. I just want to ride bike as long as I can (before the snow starts to stick).

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I think you've hit it on the nail. I'm in CA and don't have to worry about this quite yet, but I suspect that the key is to get out there, and then possibly to reward yourself for doing it.

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I'll heartily agree with your suggestion - in fact I think I made the same suggestion in my previous posting on this thread. I find that severe cold takes a lot of the fun out of riding. Frostbite and hypothermia are both possibilities - and in my location there is frequently the threat of icy conditions in shadowed areas. On top of that, I find that I get pretty stiff in the cold - even with cold weather cycling gear - and I have to take an extended hot shower to loosen things up when I finish.

So - I tend to either keep the rides short - or to stay inside on the exercise bike. I just put an old movie in the dvd player and set the timer on the bike for an hour or so. Unfortunately my exercise bike is designed for mashers rather than spinners, so I have to regulate the resistance by hand. My basement is at the botton of a very difficult staircase - getting the bike up and down is a real struggle, so I haven't considered a trainer. One of these days I'll get a new bike and put the old one downstairs permanently.

For outside workouts in the winter, I either take the dogs for a run/walk - or if it's snowy, I put on the snowshoes. Snowshoeing can provide an excellent workout. The weight of the snowshoes plus the extra work of going through the snow provides some good aerobic work. I dress in layers so it's easy to adjust for wind and temperature.

 
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Great advice for cold weather riding from everyone here so far. I'm going to play Devils Advocate for a minute and suggest - not riding?

How about putting the bike away and doing something else? Now that it's getting colder I barely ride my roadbike anymore. It's even getting to the stage where I'm seriously putting on the trainer tire and getting out the rollers. My cycling right now is a weekly cross race (yesterday it was 2C at the start) and training once a week with a splash of commuting in there when it's sunny. I go slower on the cross bike so the windchill isn't as big a problem as when I'm going 20 mph on my roadbike.

What I do outside in winter is run - it gets my body temp up much faster than cycling and is great x-training! When it snows I x-country ski too. This makes up for the months of indoor riding I'm going to do over the winter and it's far more pleasant than getting layered up to go for a slip-slide ride in the snow/ice/slush.

WRT clothing, I swear by my x-country ski gloves. Fleecy and warm, but thin and they have fingertip grippers to hold onto poles etc. I also have a fleecy/windproof vest which I bought for ice climbing which is great for cycling too. I've been looking at the winter cycling gear and I find it rather underwhelming and somewhat pricey - I find myself raiding my running/skiing/climbing wardrobe instead...

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I think Lillian364 is looking for ways to motivate herself to get outside in the first place....maybe not so much how to keep warm. You guys have covered that very well and I'll take notes.

Like everyone else, I look outside and see the sunshine and get anxious to ride, then I step outside and it chills me to the bone, then the wind drops the temp even further. BBbbbbbuuuurrrrrrrrr! Right through all those layers....

BUT...that only lasts for a few minutes if you are actually dressed well enough. For me, when I do venture out, I just have to keep thinking of what it will be like in 5 miles. It always takes me five miles to settle in and really, really want to be riding. I know this isn't going to help much, cuz Bill60 is right....at some point ya just gotta "suck it up" and get out there.

Maybe signing up for one of the challenge teams, or challenge topics is an idea. I know I have to challenge myself to do something and post it on a spark team so someone is gonna call me out on it if I don't make it. You could always set up a topic on this team that would bring in folks who want to set and meet a challenge to get out there in cold weather so many days a week, or so many miles, or whatever.

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It the first time I get so far in the season and have to deal with the cold. I take my bike to commute to work and it's getting complicated in here with the cold weather and putting on the right clothes. WIth temperature at freezing point in the morning and much warmer when I come back, I am either always too hot and sweating or too cold. Can't seem to find the right clothing for both without spending big bucks on new clothes. But motivation is there, I want to keep riding as long as I can take it. I would even say that I am more motivated because I know riding season will be off in a matter of days/weeks because of the snow and I wanna take advantage of every day left.

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Two solutions are available.
In moderately cold weather, I wear a set of full-fingered lightweight silk/polyester gloves under my finger-tip cycling gloves. This works pretty well on spring and fall mornings, as it's easy to take the lightweight gloves off if it gets warm enough

In more cold weather, I wear a set of full-fingered heavyweight cycling gloves. They keep my fingers warm at temperatures down to the point where cycling is quite uncomfortable - and the exercise bike in the basement is a better bet.

As far as lower body clothing is concerned - if it's likely to stay cold for the whole ride, I wear full-length cycling tights. If it looks like it might warm up along the way, I wear leg warmers and take 'em off if appropriate.

I also wear an UnderArmour shirt up top with a cycling jersey and a jacket if appropriate...

Pearl Izumi has a good set of products in all these categories. You should be able to find what you need without too much difficulty.

My own rule is to avoid cycling outside when it's cold enough for frostbite to be a threat - Your speed when cycling adds significantly to windchill and to the threat of hypothermia. Even though you generate a lot of heat when cycling, hypothermia can be a threat - it's hard to regulate the temperature inside cycling clothes and it's easy to start sweating and get them wet - which increases thermal loss. I have had some problems staying warm toward the end of long winter rides - when glycogen is low and clothes may be sweaty. As a result, I tend to limit the length of my winter rides to a couple of hours and to stay on paths that are close to shelter - I live in Colorado where the winter weather can go from good to bad to worse (or vice versa) in no time at all. I don't like to limit my rides so much, but I try to take this philosophically. I stay in better shape if I can can cycle tomorrow or next weekend, etc. than if I hurt myself and have to stay off the bike for an extended period.

The first rule is to do yourself no harm, I guess

 
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Hands are a big issue with me, I have Raynaud's so I get a lot of pain. I wear the best cycling gloves I can find, and I often double up when its 15 or lower. Sometimes I take the mtn bike out instead of the road bike... my speed is slower, and that helps with wind chill, but I still get a workout.

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If your hands get really cold you could get some motorcycle gloves that are heated by a lithium ion battery. I ride a motorcycle as much as I can on cold dry days and boy do the hands feel it. I should get heated gloves but can't spend the money.

Or you could get those hand wamers to put in the back of the glove.

I am with you it takes extra will to get out on colder days.

You can do it.

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I agree that it's my motivation. I don't like cold ears, toes or fingers. My motivation will get better as my body adapts to the cold weather.

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I get out. It's just that my motivation isn't as good. I suppose it will get easier as long as I wear warm gloves. I can't stand to have cold hands. My lightweight gloves today weren't enough, but I have lots of other pairs to try. I'll find the right clothes for the weather.

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In October, I have problems getting motivated to ride in the cold, too. By November, I'll get over the transition from Summer and will be looking for opportunities to ride outside.

I have various clothes for different weather conditions: lightweight hi-vis vest, lined vest, lightweight hi-vis jacket, lined jacket, toe covers, lined shoe covers, long-sleeve jerseys of various weights, padded cycling tights for various temps, full-finger gloves, headbands (from skiing), UA tops.

Depending on the temperature and wind speed, I dress in layers. In the coldest weather, I borrow from my ski clothing.

After riding in the gym for a month, I get burned out and just want to go outside no matter how cold it is especially if the sun is shining. The light weight jacket and vest can be rolled up and put in a jersey pocket.

Drink a cup of hot green tea before riding to warm up your core.

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No I'm not having problems with staying warm .... I wear my under armor and cycling short sleeve jersey and then arm warmers if I think it is too cold.

As for the lower body cycling shorts and sweats but I just ordered padded tights so we will see how that goes. As for the feet I have not had issues yet but I have had people comment on what they do which is the following: wearing baggies on the inside of the shoe; get toe covers and then place a hand warmer between shoe and toe covers; now for hunting I wear a hand warmer between the two layer of socks but I do not think I'll be able to do that with cycling shoes.

I wear a scalp cap for the head

For the hands I will but the lobster mittens which are just the wind and waterproof type .... if I still get cold hand warmers inside along with wearing my cycling gloves should do the trick.

I hope this helps

I finding I do not want to ride because of darkness setting in fast and I do not have lights yet.

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Everyone who rides a bike in the cold feels just like you....cold. You just have to "suck it up" and ride. After 10 minutes you should be relatively comfortable. You'll feel so good after you finish. In my case, if I protect my ears, fingers, and knees I'll be OK. Hang tough!!

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I feel less motivation to get out on the morning and on my bike now that the weather is turning colder. I know that I just need to put on more clothes and not forget my gloves.

I also don't feel like going as far since it's getting colder. Is anyone else having this problems?

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