Author: Sorting Last Post on Top ↓ Message:
JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
9/26/08 9:10 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Drummer

You may be right about the two types of cyclist .... what I hoping to learn is a combination of both. Which in the long run will make me personally a better cyclist.

I have found by spinning I can keep up with the big boys and girls. I spent all summer pushing gears and it got me frustrated each Wed. night because I would come so close to the carrot and not get it. Now I have had the taste of the carrot and want more.

I think with a better work out plan (with weights) over the off season and with spinning classes over the winter .... I'm hoping I can push gears more than to spin the gears. But if spinning the gears is what is going to allow me to achieve my goals than I'll continue.

We will see how my experiment works for me;-)

Jim

 current weight: 229.0 
 
238
226
214
202
190
DRUMMER8280's Photo DRUMMER8280 SparkPoints: (0)
Fitness Minutes: (19,560)
Posts: 984
9/26/08 1:19 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
thats why I try to keep the doubles between 11 and 15 hours...to me they arent that painful, its more psychological emoticon

there are two types of cyclists those who push big gears and those who spin, and i'm not a spinner emoticon

Edited by: DRUMMER8280 at: 9/26/2008 (01:23)
A Goal witout a plan is just a Dream



BFLTIGHTBODY's Photo BFLTIGHTBODY Posts: 61
9/25/08 9:21 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Thanks, I will try that. I did learn the hard way to downshift before the hill when my chain came off trying to downshift too late. That's fun when you're clicked in and suddenly, snap, wheeee....

 Pounds lost: 5.5 
 
0
7.75
15.5
23.25
31
WONGERCHI's Photo WONGERCHI Posts: 3,889
9/25/08 2:13 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
DRUMMER:
Just to play Devil's advocate, think how good you could be if you did pay attention to cadence and especially power... That'd make those double centuries more bearable!

You couldn't pay me enough money to do those though, riding long is boring for me - I like my pain in short, concentrated, no longer than 3hrs doses...

BFLTIGHTBODY:
If you're looking to get your cadence up, spinups are great. Last year my natural cadence was in the 70s, an offseason doing spinups soon fixed that! And I've found that running off the bike is a lot easier as my running and biking cadences match more closely and I've not fried my legs on the ride. However, on a stand-alone bike TT I'll go to a lower cadence as it feels better.

For hills - shift down BEFORE you get to the hill. That way you don't get into a situation where you're muscling the bike and trying to change gear when you're practically standing still.

Unless you're doing low cadence work, long hills (for me a long hill is 3-5mins+) are best done by sitting and spinning, 80-90rpm. However, I climb with a guy who gets that cadence standing, and I know some people who alternate. So try different hill-climbing techniques out and see what works.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
- Frank Kotsonis


 current weight: 190.0 
 
210
202.5
195
187.5
180
BFLTIGHTBODY's Photo BFLTIGHTBODY Posts: 61
9/25/08 9:43 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Thanks :) I think I'll just do what I've been doing, but I am going to start doing spinups after this. I'd heard about this before, and want to do something to improve. Would like to get to where I can do the whole century next year.

 Pounds lost: 5.5 
 
0
7.75
15.5
23.25
31
DRUMMER8280's Photo DRUMMER8280 SparkPoints: (0)
Fitness Minutes: (19,560)
Posts: 984
9/25/08 2:31 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
they get really challenging when you do them back to back =)you really have to embrace the pain on those lol

A Goal witout a plan is just a Dream



RCKWHITNEY's Photo RCKWHITNEY Posts: 470
9/25/08 12:05 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
In a 200 mile ride, the pain tells all! emoticon

DRUMMER8280's Photo DRUMMER8280 SparkPoints: (0)
Fitness Minutes: (19,560)
Posts: 984
9/24/08 11:57 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
i've never been a big fan of cadence/power out put and such...I just figure since I am moving forword and my crank is turning thats all I need...I don't even use my computer during my 200 mile rides because I don't really need something to tel me were I am going...i do use it for timing my training rides though... =)

A Goal witout a plan is just a Dream



RCKWHITNEY's Photo RCKWHITNEY Posts: 470
9/24/08 10:59 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Since you have ridden 35-45 miles on Saturdays, you shouldn't have a problem making the 50 miles. However you're not comfortable with the 90-100 rpm cadence, you should stick with what has been working for you on your 35-45 mile rides.

After 3 weeks of riding 90+ cadence, my cadence average in a 2 day 150 mile event was 83. There were 90+ miles of hills, wind in the face on the second day, and coasting down hills. My cadence going up hills is improving. It's going to take practice. Even Carmichael Training Systems (Lance's trainer) recommends an 80 cadence going up hills. That's my goal!

Enjoy your ride this weekend and Congratulations on your first 50 mile ride! Cindy

BFLTIGHTBODY's Photo BFLTIGHTBODY Posts: 61
9/24/08 3:38 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I'm relatively new to riding. I bought a Specialized Dolce a couple of years ago and mostly have been riding 25 mi. rides or less. I signed up to do 50 miles of a century ride coming up Sat., started riding longer. I've ridden 35 to 45 miles lately on Saturdays and 10-20 miles/day through the week, but know this ride has some long hills. I saw this post earlier this week so tried riding 90-100 rpm yesterday and felt like the road runner cartoon! I was more comfortable in 70s and 80s rpm, but when going up long hills, rpms drop way down and I stand, sit, stand, then lower gears till I'm low as I can go and that takes forever. So do you think it would be best on this ride to just do what I've been doing and make the best of it, or to lower my gears way down and try riding 90rpm? I want to make it as painless as possible this Saturday. Thanks for any suggestions you have.

 Pounds lost: 5.5 
 
0
7.75
15.5
23.25
31
JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
9/23/08 3:26 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
W

It only took me until the end of the season to come to this realization;-) The problem is my cateye cyclometer is as old as the bike .... so it is only keeping track of time and cadence when I'm in the cadence mode. My trip mileage and odometer mileage tracker does not work when I'm in the cadence mode.

Thus, in order to see what I averaged for a speed I'm going to have to ride routes I know what the mileage already is. On new routes, I will keep track of the mileage at least twice to make sure I have the same measurements and then record mileage. I think I will continually work on cadence until I get to the point I know I'm in the target zone and do not need to have the cyclometer in the cadence only mode.

This may take several months to accomplish but it will be a goal of mine for next years' riding season.

Jim

 current weight: 229.0 
 
238
226
214
202
190
WONGERCHI's Photo WONGERCHI Posts: 3,889
9/23/08 3:11 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
First off, congrats on getting away from the speed dial! I never train with speed apart from looking at it occasionally on the WU and CD. Once I'm done then I set up my Garmin 305 like Cindy, although I have HR zone large, and then cadence, gradient and time of day. In fact the only time I use speed is to judge which pace group I should be in...

Whoever is telling you that a cadence of 110 is best is lying. 90-100 is the ideal. I actually started off as low cadence guy but have built it up so now my natural cadence is about 90rpm, 80 on hills. However, with a years cadence work behind me I'm comfortable at cadences from 60-120.

If you want to work on cadence, spinups are great. In a relatively easy gear, start at 90rpm, then do 4' @100, 2'@110 and 1'@120. Then spin normal cadence for 10' and repeat. Once you can do this without bouncing on the saddle and up to 4x repeats, double time. This is a great off-season workout on the trainer.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
- Frank Kotsonis


 current weight: 190.0 
 
210
202.5
195
187.5
180
RCKWHITNEY's Photo RCKWHITNEY Posts: 470
9/23/08 12:43 A

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Hi Jim
At the beginning of August, I started keeping my cadence above 90 too. One of the guys that I ride with, recommended that I do this to help me ride faster up hills. At first, it was hard for me to stay at the higher cadence. Now it has become a habit and like you, my legs last longer on the ride. I can average 89-90 but my riding above 105 is really limited to downhills. I have a Garmin 305 so the cadence is oversized at the top of the screen. Easy for me to watch and control. In a paceline, I'll shift to an easier gear and soft pedal to keep my cadence high but match the paceline's speed. That's probably what saves my legs instead of cranking a harder gear.

I look forward to reading the comments you recieve on this topic. Cindy

JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
9/22/08 11:38 P

My SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Hi All

I did something different tonight on my route. Instead of leaving everything on the avg speed, spped, max speed etc I switched over to watch my cadence riding.

I was told by an LBS who races that I should try to keep my cadence between 90 and 100 with 110 being ideal.

Well I put that suggestion to work. I found myself not getting as tired, winded, or bonking by doing this. I did not allow myself to fall below 90 cadence even up the rolling hills.

I found myself not comfortable at 115 or higher. I felt I was over spinning and felt the need to shift and did. By doing this .... this enable to be at 105 comfortably.

As it turns out if I remembered my mileage correctly, I will double check on my microsoft map works .... but I think I averaged 20.53 mph in the process. And yes this is on my Raleigh.

Like I said before I felt great afterwards and did not feel nearly as spent as I do on my other rides.

I will be trying this on my Wed. Nite ride to see if I can stay with the big boys and gals longer on the 30.39 route.

I also received some news on last Friday that the shop (LBS) will be receiving 300 show bikes and he will see if there is anything that will fit my wants.

I also received an e-mail from the guy that was going to sell the Giant OCR Composite Limited to me. It sounds like he does not want to sell the bike because he is having problems with the LBS (different one then I am dealing with) on replacing the wheels (rims) of his new bike. Thus, he wants to keep the bike to have a back up to ride. I e-mailed him back to get clarification whether he was not going to sell the bike even after he gets his rims replaced? I'll hopefully know more on Wed. Nite.

Jim

 current weight: 229.0 
 
238
226
214
202
190
Page: 1 of (1)  

Report Innappropriate Post

Other Cycling - Road, Mountain, Fun, Racing General Team Discussion Forum Posts

Topics: Last Post:
Nutrition: Before & During 11/18/2013 1:06:14 PM
Waterproof phone mount 1/24/2014 9:01:17 AM
Wallet Power Bank $29 12/7/2013 12:35:16 PM
cycling with a bike trailer 9/19/2013 1:39:27 PM
Bikes for Tikes! 12/17/2013 10:30:53 AM

Thread URL: http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_messageboard_thread.asp?board=0x1670x18718745

Review our Community Guidelines