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8/21/08 12:13 P

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HAPPY:
I'm actually far more curious about your 38mph cruising speed than anything. I find it incredible that you can hold this speed apparently "at will" on most roads on a roadbike no less! Is this by yourself? You must be turning some seriously high cadence and big gear. And I didn't know Giant was making TCR roadbikes with a 12 speed cassette in the back - they must not have updated their website.

It is a shame that you are injured and can't take part in our monthly group ride/Time trial - I would love to see how fast you could really go on a 10 mile TT.

Maybe you would like to start a new thread so that we don't hijack this one. This thread is meant to be for good tips for commuters which is even more critical now that gas prices are so high.

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8/21/08 11:37 A

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My suggestion is to shift into the third ring when you are at about 25 MPH thus the gradule increase for speed. I have found that if I wait too long to go 'TopGun' that I tend to bounce on the seat!

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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/21/08 9:02 A

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Thanks for the info. I thought I had a 21 speed but after the fitting it was determine I have an 18 speed. I'm going to re-look at my back gears tonight. Last night was too dark and I was too exhausted to look.

My big gear is a 52 ... we are checking for a bigger gear for me. My second ring is pretty close to the third and I have a bail out gear which I have not used since I can remember. We do not have any mountains to speak of.


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HAPPY-DESTINY's Photo HAPPY-DESTINY Posts: 19,566
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Giant TRC 39/53 24 speed You can get a bigger crank gear, but it adds bulk and hard on the take off!

After my surgery, I will see if I can still pedal. I asked my doctor today and she says we will have to wait and see what the surgery will limit from fusing my ankle! I want to make a move for at least one more competion before my back gives out.
And yes . .my 63 in a 35 was on a downhill 4% grade

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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/20/08 12:56 P

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I concur with Wongerchi .... I would also like to know the gear ratio set up as well. May be this would give me the nudge to be able to stay with the elite studs and studettes;-)

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8/20/08 12:26 P

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Chris:
63mph is 101kph. Wow, that's fast. Were you going downhill at the time? The only time I've ever come close to breaking the speed limit on our well-travelled roads was going 70kph in an 80kph zone. That was downhill and really spinning out the gears (53x11)! Then I got scared and backed off. Our speed limits are generally 60 or 80kph on the roads I bike on.

No wonder you were gunning for the Olympics and the Tour, with your 38mph (61kph) cruising speed you'd have given those professional boys here there a good run for their money! It would be nice to see a Sparker break the Tour Time Trial record!

Do you still race? And what sort of gears are you running to get that speed?

Oh, and on the subject of speeding tickets, I got warned for doing 30kph in a 20kph urban zone. The cops were very nice about it too and told me not to do it again...



EDITED to apologise to the OP for the thread hijack...

Edited by: WONGERCHI at: 8/20/2008 (12:29)
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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/20/08 9:02 A

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I'll add more celery to the diet as well .... I was not aware of the benefits of celery in the salt knowledge.

Funny you should mention the seat level ..... I feel I'm sliding forward in my seat so I know the tilt is out of kilder. I know when I remember to slide back more where the sit bones should be on the saddle I notice more speed and less exertion to produce the additional speed.

I know the technology has come a long ways to fitting a person to a bike .... I have made an appointment to have myself re-evaluated. I hoping there will be some adjustments for the good?

As far as getting the speeds that you were or are able to get ..... I do not think I have the right gear set up. Which leaves me to the next task is to count the number of teeth I have on my 3 ring sprocket and then count the teeth on my 7 gears in the back? Which is what I'm thinking why I may be at the max of my abilities or so to be there or I need to increase my muscle mass to be faster and more efficient? Or I may need to take lessons and see if I'm efficient at my pedaling.

None the less I will keep you posted .... I'm always looking at ways to increase my speed and efficiency.

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HAPPY-DESTINY's Photo HAPPY-DESTINY Posts: 19,566
8/20/08 12:44 A

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Jim,
Eat some celery too! Bananas are good for the K value (Potasium) but we get natural salt from the celery and the body absorbs it much faster! Leg cramping can be from over-exertion or low salt stores/depletion.
How is the seat level? Do you have that set 'right'? I could tool down most roads about 38 -45 mph. The day I wanted to push it for all I had was 63mph in a 35 zone!
Christopher


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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/19/08 10:56 P

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Yes I do have a cyclometer and that is my problem with riding. Every time I go out I find it a challenge to see if I can improve upon my last time out or my fastest time on record for a particular road route.

I think I will push myself to far some day LOL

About a week ago whe I didn'y hydrate and fuel properly I was trying to push myself to the max but I kept feeling a twinge in the calves to the point of a charlie horse or muscle strain. I would back off not a good time effort that night. I have been increasing my banana intake again though and hydrating during the day and eating an energy bar before the long rides now.

I have an'89 Raleigh aluminum frame and I have been trying each week to hang with the elite #1 and elite #2 group for as long as can and then try to stay in their vapor trails for as long as I can as well.

As I mention on an earlier post I was able to go between 27-29 mph on the flats and then I was being passed as if I were standing still LOL Obviously I have a little more ways to go before I am even with them. I am hoping by the end of next summer but who knows???? I did finish the course at an avg speed of 19.49 which has been my fastest so far. I even beat the elite group in that night grant it I went on the 30 mile route and they were on the 40 mile route. In the past, they usually over take me about 5-7 miles from the finish.

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8/19/08 9:34 P

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LDJONE2: As I made the statement publicly, I think my amends should be done in kind! I went back and re-read what you had posted and I mis-read what you wrote. My thought was 'go as fast as you want' and now I see that it not what you meant! Magna Mea Culpa! I am sincerely sorry if I made it look as if you had flagrant disregard. It is my hope that others were not jaded by my comments. In the future , I will try to read a little more slowly and absorb what is written and not respond with emotion!

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LDJONE2 Posts: 71
8/19/08 8:25 P

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A couple of things...

1) When I suggested below that cyclists in traffic or on the sidewalk should be aware of their speed, my meaning was that they should slow down in accord with the conditions - not keep going going at the usual "open road" speed... Keeping speed down makes it possible to be aware of what's going on around you - and to react to it.

2) Speeding tickets are a very real possibility...

Believe it or not...

Years ago, I received one in my home town for doing 35+ in a 25 - speed checked by radar. I was riding my 5 speed derailluer-propelled Schwinn and had a pretty good tail wind. Tried to BS the judge out of it, but that didn't work... Fine at the time was $15 plus a buck per mile - total $25. I was later informed that this was the first speeding ticket "awarded" to a bicyclist in Wyoming.

 
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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/19/08 10:28 A

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The day I can pull this same feat will be the day that I truly believe I have met my goal as an elite biker. as for right now with an average speed of 19+ mph on most of my rides I have a few more years to go before this would ever happen to me.

However, you can bet your you know what that if it does happen I will let this group be one of the first to know that it happen to me;-)

Jim

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Jim,
I was training to be in the 2004 Olympics for cycling and I wanted to run in the Tour de France. One day I was pushing my (Giant brand) bike and myself as hard as I could when I heard the warble from a cruiser and the megaphone say, 'Pull the bike over!' I was issued a ticket for speeding!! When I got to court and the judge saw the ticket with no license plate, registration (you know the drill) and saw my speed, I told him I was in training and took advantage of the straight-a-way! He dismissed the charges, but not before telling me that I was violating the law and because of my speed, I could have spent 6 months in jail! 3 day later, I fell and broke my back in 2 places. The rest of the story is on my Sparkpage!!

As for the sponsored events . . NO! A good sponsor is someone whom is familiar with cycling or may be a cyclist themself. They know that we cyclists can hit some high numbers when competing in a race, therefore the municipalities are aware it will happen and try hard to corden off most of the route!

On a personal note, Do you have a speedometer on your bike?? A good 'training exercise' is to compete against yourself and try to break your last speed record! (If you are into that type of thinking!)

Edited by: HAPPY-DESTINY at: 8/19/2008 (10:14)
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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/19/08 8:39 A

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Happy

I was wondering if they would truly give a cyclist a citation for speeding? You are a testament that they do.

Personally I agree that we should follow the laws and try to give cyclist a better name.

My next question would be is on sponsored events when the event holders can not close the road(s) down completely .... would we be subjected to speeding citations then?

I wonder what my wife or better yet my warden would say to me after finding out I had a speeding citation on a bike??;-) LOL ( I have to report any violation of the law especially speeding citations over $150.00)

Jim

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8/18/08 11:36 P

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My repsonse to this is simple! Go to the DMV and get a drivers book for your state/area and check with the municipal laws! The police department sponsor bike safety classes during the week and weekends which includes helmets! What do you call a vehicle/bike accident?? An organ donor!
I do disagree with the speed comment! ALL laws are to be observed! I got a ticket in Colorado for speeding while riding on my bike!

I think it is wrong for ANY bike rider to presuppose the laws and think they are 'above the law' and can ride in any manner they choose. Those individuals givie biking a bad name!

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JHOLLNAGEL Posts: 1,768
8/18/08 10:07 A

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Great advice ...... I have on my B'day and X-mas list the blinky lights among other things for cycling now. This year it should be real easy to shop for me. It will be a cycling theme. LOL

One of my pet peeves is riding on the side walk. I leave that for small children. I do try to ride defensively and I think with having a motor cycle license this has become an easier thing for me to do.

Always remain alert and give way you will lose in the impact.

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You've had great advice. I agree with it. I have no bike lanes, and there is one street that I have where the speed limit is 55, with six lanes of traffic.

Sorry. I ride on that sidewalk, but I yield to pedestrians AND I watch driveways. Some drivers really don't see you, until they've pulled into your path. Amazing.

I always ride with my blinky light going on the back, any time someone has their headlights on, I turn mine on as well.

I really like the "be aware" comments. If you assume that they don't see you, then you won't go too wrong.

Have fun! I find I'm much more productive at work on the days I've run before or cycled to work.

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8/16/08 5:11 P

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Wongerchi's suggestions are all good ones that make sense...

I rarely ride on sidewalks - only do it when there is no safe and sane alternative... When there's no bike lane or bike path, I ride on the road with the traffic a couple of feet out from parked cars.

The biggest thing I can suggest is situational awareness. Get in a gear where you can comfortably pedal without a lot of effort, get out of the drops, off the hoods and keep your head up, don't worry about how fast you're going, your cycling style, etc. etc. and ONLY focus on what's going on around you. Look for tail and brake light flashes ahead. Keep an eye on car windows to see if there's someone who might be getting ready to open their door, don't worry about people yelling at you, etc. etc. Go slowly enough so that you can hit the brakes and stop quickly if you need to. Be ready to take evasive action if necessary.

If you are aware of what's going on around you and ready to deal with whatever might happen, the odds are strongly against anything bad happening.



 
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8/16/08 5:01 P

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I agree with all of the advice in the previous post except sometimes if the road is narrow and you are going fast or, conversely, at a dead stop, it makes sense to ride a little more to the left. If you stay far too the right, drivers may side-swipe you. If you assert yourself in the lane, for example at a stop sign with a line of cars, you are less likely to be sideswiped or to have someone making a right turn run into you because their view was blocked by the car next to you.

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Stay on the road, ride WITH the traffic (not against, like walking) as close to the right hand side as reasonably possible (I ride a couple of feet out from the sidewalk to avoid grates, glass, potholes etc). When passing parked cars, I ride a door's length away from them. Never ride on the sidewalk or against traffic - the riding on the sidewalk thing bugs me NO END.

Obey ALL traffic laws. This means red lights, stop signs and signalling for turns. Also, ride predictably. Make sure you make your intentions blindingly obvious and be prepared to give way even though you have the right of way.

Make sure you can ride in a straight line with both hands and one hand on the handlebars. Also make sure you can shoulder check (look behind you) without swerving - if it's too hard, get one of those handlebar or helmet mounted rear-view mirrors. It's a drivers worst nightmare when a cyclist suddenly swerves in front of him, I know it's one of mine when I'm driving a car.

When you're on the road, be visible. I swear by my hi-vis green jacket when it's remotely dusky. Blinky front and rear lights are a must in the twilight/rain as are reflectors.


In God we trust, all others bring data.
- W. Edwards Demings

If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

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8/16/08 3:34 P

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What happens if there's an area in your commute where you don't have a bike lane? I'm assuming you just stay on the road, as you would in a car? You never ride on sidewalks, correct? I really need a good biking etiquette book emoticon



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