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2/14/11 10:56 P

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Wheat sprayed with bromine? I had never heard that before. So glad you mentioned it. I know that bromine displaces iodine in our body so that may have contributed to my thyroid issues before I switched to organic.

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2/14/11 10:46 P

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For me, eating organic IS frugal.
Certain inorganic foods, like wheat (which is sprayed with bromine) makes my joints swell, gives me brain fog, and can put me in bed for days. It's cheaper to pay for organic bread than to be sick 3 days!

Frugal organic can mean 2 hens in your back yard and driving through the neighborhood to find apple or fig trees the elderly neighbor needs help harvesting.

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My husband just read the book "The organic manifesto" by Maria Rodale and the author states in there that if you eat organic you are cutting 90% of the toxins out of your food.
I think some of those things that have a waxy coating that is not peeled are the worst to eat non-organic. Things like cucumbers, peppers and tomatoes. In addition all full-fat dairy and higher fat meats. Toxins accumulate in fat in both people and animals. If you can't afford organic choose low-fat meat and dairy.

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2/14/11 3:51 P

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My boyfriend does all of the grocery shopping. I have no idea if he buys organic or not. I am just happy to not have to go to the grocery store and that he brings home lots of fruit and veg.

There was a list somewhere that I read once that had the 10 or so things where organic was important, so if you're on a tight budget, you could just buy those items organic. I'll see if I can find it and post it. All I remember from it was strawberries and potatoes.

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2/14/11 11:46 A

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Linda, the question about eggs came up in another group. We eat mostly duck eggs from our own ducks. We feed them organic grain but the grain is the smallest part of their diet. They are free-range and browse for their food: greens, bugs, worms etc.
I am pretty sure that grain alone is not a natural diet for chickens, either. When truly free-range they will eat whatever they find and they will also get a normal amount of exercise. Exercise causes many changes in our bodies, esp. positive hormonal ones. So I suspect that free-range may make as much difference or more than organic.
If I had the choice between eggs that are non-organic but from free-range pasture-fed free range or confined chickens that eat organic I'd probably choose the free-range pasture-fed. Of course free-range legally can mean only that they are not in a cage, but they could still be in overcrowded conditions. Knowing who you are buying from may help more than anything, also because you save the markup of the middle man. :)

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2/14/11 10:22 A

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Birgit,
That is a question that many of us struggle with.
I do when I can as I think that it is better for my families health. In the long run, it would be frugal.
One definition of frugal is:
Not cheap, but the best use of your resources.

I don't believe that my chickens & eggs have to be from free range chickens, but I do want them to be fed organically. It is hard to find the later. The free range aspect makes chickens and eggs especially expensive.

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2/12/11 11:55 A

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"going frugally organic".............
yep.. I like it. Love your explanation and the real bottom line here..........

quality of our lives........



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2/12/11 11:39 A

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I think that just as far as grocery budgetes are concerned, eating organic is not generally frugal. But if you've got a good coop or natural grocery that has a lot of good sales then there certainly is something to be said for going frugally organic. (Did I just coin a new phrase?)

In the long run you may spend more money on food if you're eating organic, but if it saves on trips to the doctor and medications prescribed by those doctors, then overall it is saving you money. And the real bottom line issue here is the quality of your lives. You can have all the money in the world but if you 're not healthy, then what is that money really worth? You're going to pay on one end or the other...either paying a little bit more for your food or paying more for an increased number of visits to the doctor.

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2/12/11 8:42 A

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emoticon GOOD MORNING! (CAPS FOR VI)

I AGREE WITH KURT. WE TRY TO RAISE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. ONCE IN A WHILE WE GO TO A LARGE OLD FARMERS MARKET (SOULARD) IN ST. LOUIS. BUT I HAVE TO SAY STUFF IS RATHER HIGH. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE GAS TO GET THERE AND BACK. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING CONTAINER GARDENING. SEVERAL RAISE ONE OR TWO THINGS AND TRADE WITH OTHERS FOR WHAT THEY NEED. IT'S GETTING HARDER AS THE FED GOV IS TAKING MORE OUT OF OUR PAY CHECKS. SO FAR THEY'VE RAID THE TAKE OUT $115.00 A MONTH. SEEMS A TAX CREDIT EXPIRED BUT THEY FORGOT TO INFORM US. SO, I GUESS , IN THE END, WE JUST HAVE TO HELP EACH OTHER! emoticon

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2/11/11 11:48 P

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If you can eat as healthy as your financial situation allows, then you're doing the best you possibly can, healthwise.

Major cities only have places like Whole Foods and small health stores, all of which charge an arm and a leg. Not to mention the news articles about overpriced products they stock with misleading "organic" labeling of one kind or another.

To have a trustworthy co-op with affordable prices sounds ideal.

About the only equivalent in this city is a once-weekly (maybe twice -- I don't keep track of it) farmer's market with prices way up at the high end -- probably justifiably high considering they trek with the produce all they way to Manhattan and set up in a park off 14th Street. But, it's not an affordable option for most of us here.

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2/11/11 11:25 P

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I was thinking about this today as I went to a conventional grocery story and looked for sale items. Even though this store carried some organic items none of them were on sale. We buy most of our foods organic and from our local food co-op. It is more expensive than non-organic but the food coop puts lots of organic items on sale every month. We have a life-time membership that cost us $50.00 five years ago and it has long paid for itself. Since we have eaten mostly organic, less meat and more beans, lots of fresh veggies from our garden, eggs from our ducks and virtually no restaurant food or processed food, our food bill has not gone up much, maybe 10%. None of us have gotten sick more than one cold a year so we feel we have saved a lot of money that way since our medical insurance has a deductible.
What do you think?

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