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JOYFUL711
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2/28/10 6:16 P

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No, it is not true, these employees are on their own as far as their relocation expenses, selling their homes, etc...

The only USPS employees who get these generous benefits are the upper-upper tier of management, you know the fat cats.

This is just another was to squeeze these unfortunate employees out, I am sure many of them will be unable to make the move.

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On friday 2/25/2010, 130 junior employees in St. Paul, MN were given letters. They could possibly be excessed to other post offices. Some of the people I work with seem to think the post offices has to help them sell there houses or buy their house from them. I didn't think this was true does anyone out there know.


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I work at the main Post Office in Saint Paul, MN and I know alot of people taking the early out. Most of them work tour 1. Our office has plans to move to Eagan, MN next fall so I think most of the people taking the early out were planning on retiring before the move any how. This way they leave earlier and get a little pocket $ too. Not a bad deal.


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10/7/09 1:25 A

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We have about 83 retiring so far- also we have the AMP going on again at our plant- looking at taking away our out going letters on tour 3.


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Well, we ended up with only 3 going, so not much room for any good jobs opening up.

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I've heard that 21,000 people (nation wide) have submitted the paperwork for the early out. They had wanted 30,000 to retire.


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I work at the distribution plant so there are about 800 something employees there but yes if those retire there will be some good openings for jobs


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LOL, our "plant" probably doesn't even have 52 people! Right now we are still at 3 for sures and a couple of maybes. I hope that this will help us. One supervisor told me they are talking about giving the supervisors half a year's salary to go early. I hope that is just a rumor, as it will cause a lot of resentment from the workers. I might even fall into a sweet job after this is all over.

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Wow we at our plant have quite a few leaving and taking the incentive- how about your place? so far I know of 52 or more


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I agree with you the incentive sounds nice but I can't live off of one check now- and with the penalty- I have two more years and hopefully if things go right I will stay one more year and then leave.


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Joy, I completely agree. The only people in our office that are taking the offer this time, are the ones who were already eligible. We have 2 for sure going, and at least 3 more considering. It doesn't do anything for me. The dollar figures are real close to what it was last time, and $15,000 is a nice bonus, but it won't last long if my monthly check isn't enough to live on! I'm just curious to see if the carriers will be getting something out of this too.

I guess I'll put in my last 3 years and 7 months until I hit 55!

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Yep, sure have, had to give a service talk on the VERA to the clerks last Wednesday. It only applies to certain people, if one were already planning to retire, it is a $15,000 bonus, otherwise, it stinks. I do not expect USPS to make a better offer, ever. I do not think a person can get in on this retroactively.

I read the article about those two excessed ladies, there are a lot of employees in that predicament, some worse because they are unable to make the transition. It is unfortunate. I have a lot of years invested, and my job s not guaranteed, I will have to adapt to whatever comes my way. I sure as hell am not gong to have an on the job injury, not unless the building falls in on me, this is not a good time to be saying "ouch" at work.

We still have too many useless lumps sitting around, too lazy to even answer a phone, I would like to see some of them gone, and keep some folks who actually work, but nobody is asking my opinon.


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I was in management before I retired. I know what it is like to have employees that are PITA (pain in the a??). I did not like the unions that defended the employees that needed to be fired. Congrats to the PM that got someone removed that needed to be gone. If you did your job, I did not have a problem with you. You were paid GOOD money for the work that you did.


Has anyone seen the new VERA that will be for mail handlers and APWU (certain) craft employees??

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Here's an interesting story on two ladies that got excessed:
http://www.easthamptonstar.com/dnn/Home/News/Postal/tabid/9756/Default.aspx

Here's a list of all probable postal closings across the country:
http://www.apwu.org/news/webart/2009/09-089-stationconsolidations-090731-list.pdf

On website today, they announced the buy out offer of $15,000 ($10,000 now, $5,000 next year) for APWU
employees. My husband just retired 3 months ago, ouch, but he is with civil service and has a good pension, he is fine, what upsets me is coworkers I know that got excessed TWO WEEKS ago, and had to quit the post office cause they could not make the move!! Two weeks later and they could of resigned and got the $15,000. Article said this was in the works for 2 months, union should of told the employees about it!!

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Hi gang.......Was looking for some good reading today so checked out these post. I wish I could retire but can't due to me being the only breadwinner in the family and I'm only 51 so that's out of the question....I love my job,most of the time, and when I don't I try to have an attitude adjustment and look at things through different eyes, and I pray alot!! Val and Joy.....think we would get along great. I always try to do my best each day at work.I know I answer to my Lord for the way I work so I do my best to honor and please Him, not those around me. Anyways.....there is hope for us hard workers. I was 204B in our office three years ago. We had a terrible worker who did very bad things to management and got away with it because he was union president and the union defended him all the way.......this past year we got a new postmaster....a great guy who is a hard worker himself..... when he took over our office he saw the work habits of this union president and they caught him not following postal regulations while delivering his mail. They brought him up on charges and it actually stuck. He was fired about 4 months ago. He's been fired before from the post office.....used it as a summer vacation every year. He'd do something wrong, management would fire him but not follow the proper procedures to fire him, he'd be off all summer LWOP and then he'd win his case and come back in the fall.....got all his back pay for them not firing him right and then he'd basically had all summer off and get paid for it. He was very crafty at getting around the system and cheating the system and getting away with it. Anyways,,my new boss wasn't as dumb as our old postmasters and it actually stuck this time......appeals were all filed and management actually won this case this time. He's gone,,,,gone, gone!! couldn't have happened to a better person. This guy was worthless if there ever was one. Fells good to know once in a while people get what is rightfully theirs. Makes us hard workers keep on keeping on.
There is one clerk in our office that does whatever they want.....refuses to listen to management......then wonders why no one likes them and they get in trouble all the time. I was ready to beat her with the nearest thing I could find but that wasn't Godly so I keep away from sharp objects...I was praying about it the other week...said Lord help me get away from them for awhile causes I just can't deal with them....God does answer prayers....my boss called me two weeks ago after I worked all day and asked me if I wanted to OIC. I said sure, he called me back a minute later and said the position was mine.......sometimes God answers prayer very quickly. I haven't done bodily harm to this person and I'm out of my office on an OIC tour for at least 4 months..sometimes we do get what's rightfully ours...or something like that. Word has it though that now everyone else wants to kill this person, even my boss!'
Got alitte off subject there.......back to the subject...our office was audited for the city routes and they are accessing one route. There are lots in our office old enough to retire but no one is going yet. Hope we don't close.....at least till I'm 56. Wanted to go at 60 but hubby is supposed to be graduated from grad school next year and working that same year so I would easily go at 56 if I can. Will have to wait and see...Here to ride it out with the rest of you.
Later guys..have a good day.


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Amen to that!

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My God, I have a hard time seeing the upside of most of these changes, I have yet to see them get rid of all the "dead wood" that they yammered about...sheesh! I am just blessed that I have not been negatively affected by this (yet), and that I am "in the in crowd" in my office, so I do not get stomped upon too much.

Bottom line is the bottom line, all this stuff is SUPPOSED to save us a boatload of money, that remains to be seen. I have my fingers crossed.


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Joy, that is one of the drawbacks to all of these changes. You don't know who you're going to end up with at your office, or what kind of worker they are. I hope things work out for the post office; I'd hate to see the major changes happen that they are talking about. Time will tell..........

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Ya, Trish, I did not know, and I live here..crazy huh? I read about the airport facility closing on the public USPS.com website, mentioned it to one of th clerks, and she sad, oh, ya, that has been coming a long time. We have had some supervisors want to transfer in to our office, it has to be approved by the management that is here already, and they are having me and another carrier 204B full time instead of bringing these people in, some of the one wanting to come here are lazy, or buttholes, just looking for a place to land (not excessed, just know that we are not closing, looking for a safety net. They can only come in if an opening exists. My manager wants me to OIC, but I will have no part of it, I am starting college on the 24th, plus just do not want to work in another office. My route pays more than the higher level pay, it is a no-brainer.


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IT-IS-WHATITIS, the excessing finally hit Cleveland! We are in the Cleveland District and have had so many job cuts, excessed clerks, and all the mayhem that you're describing. We had one clerk go back to being a PTR, but she is going to get 36 hours a week, but working 6 days, and is closer to home than she was before. Three others are driving an hour and a half to their new positions, which really stinks. I agree with you that it is a bad situation that is being made worse with all of the inconsistencies about the excessing. What I don't understand is having clerks OICing as PMs while there are managers in the district that need a job. No wonder we're losing money. Nobody seems to see all the waste and if it's mentioned nobody will do anything about it!

I didn't realize DFW was shutting down, that's a big facility! And probably a ton of people to find jobs for.

It really is a sad situation all around. The bad part is, a lot of people want the post office to fail. They are jealous or something about our wages, benefits and everything we earn, and say the union is at fault. If it wasn't for unions in general, nobody would be making money, getting benefits and probably still working around the clock without getting paid ot for it.

All I'm wishing for now, is to be ABLE to retire soon. The faster I get away from the p.o. the better off I'll be!

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Yikes, that is pretty bad.

They are closing the airport facility at Dallas (DFW), the same kind of deal your co-workers are getting, it sucks. Our office in getting couple of the workers, one is here already, a clerk that is becoming a janitor, and another who is a supervisor, and will still be a supervisor. My heart totally goes out to those who are affected by this. I could not relocate (I do not think so) I own my home, and their is my husband (non postal) to consider. Glad I am not in that position right now, but you neve know.


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Main mail facility in Cleveland Ohio is also being hit with the cutbacks. Airport facility has been closed down a few months ago. At the main facility, 152 clerks up to seniority year 1997, has been relocated. As far as Harrisburg PA, and places in Kentucky. It has been so unorganized the past 2 months, no straight answers being given to these clerks, and their new jobs start Aug 15. Alot of them just cant do the move, so they are resigning and some of them are taking the Part Time Regular job, which only guarantees them FOUR hours a WEEK. It is all a total mess. A group of Supervisors are also interviewing for jobs, if they don't find one by Aug 1, they lose their jobs. So, the morale is very low right now on both sides of Postal employment. Rumor is another cutback is suppose to happen in October, if so, I could be included in that group. But we are know about RUMORS in the POST OFFICE, so I refuse to worry about it until it becomes a reality. Right now I am upset over so many of my coworkers getting hit with this cutback. I don't know who is suppose to do their jobs! I am sincerely afraid the next person that tells one of them that has to move 200 miles, "well, at LEAST you still have a job", someone is going to go postal! Atmosphere in there is very tense and gloomy.

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You are totally right....let you know how it goes later!

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"I just think that person doesn't want any more conversation made than what they want to say and when they want to say it....."


Ya, sounds like they want to be in control, that is usually the case when people "act out", when you are the person in charge, you MUST be in control, it does not have to be a tyrannical way, but still in control. No, Val, I would not react to the throat clearing, or "hey you" or a whistle, all the same thing, a disrespectful greeting. When this individual stops getting the reaction they are desiring, the behavior will stop also.

I know this is a small thing, but if it interferes with your thought at work, it interferes with your effectiveness as a manager, it is a pesky thing, and has to be squashed.

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I should probably not even acknowledge the throat clearing since I usually have my back to them when they do that. What could hurt from saying "I gone, have a great day!"????? Who cares what they say any other time. At least that way you know they aren't mad at you. I just think that person doesn't want any more conversation made than what they want to say and when they want to say it.....

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Some people are just miserable, and ya, we all have "problems" don't we?

There is no excuse for acting like a three-year-old, unless you are actually a three-year-old. That jerk who clears their throat COULD just shut up and leave, nobody needs their gracious greeting, do they? I they are a SUB, it is their obligation to report to the supervisor on duty, whether they are BFF's or not.

I am just really, really glad that people like that are a tiny, tiny, annoying minority. I have much larger group, so that helps, big time.

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That is so sad! why can't people just learn to get along - I know everyone is different with personalities but please - be an adult and act like one- clearing your throat is stupid- I'm leaving now- sounds more adult- there is always someone who is difficult and causes problems and makes it bad for the others around. I remember one ex-employee who was so difficult I would dread going to work dealing with her yet I remained very civil and nice to her and sometimes went out of my way - I thought kindness would kill her- well eventually she became nice to me and no one else and she did have problems -eventually she was fired. It is hard working with difficult people - just keep a positive outlook and hopefully things will get better -




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We have one person (out of 7 that I am in charge of) in our office that has decided to "not talk" anymore. And by not talk, I mean when that person leaves to go out on their route, they make a "clearing their throat" sound to try to get my attention and they just wave and leave. I guess I am so tired of trying to please that person or figure out what's wrong that I just don't care anymore. I figure if they are not adult enough to come to me and speak with me specifically about what's going on with them, I just don't worry about it. I believe the real reason they do it is because they have a long running personality conflict with someone else in the office and they feel like if they don't talk at all, things won't get misunderstood. Still, it causes a thorn in the side of my autonomy and morale of the office sometimes. But I still have to be "professional" and not lose my cool when I get fed up with it. Geeesh! I guess things could be a lot worse! Hope you all have a wonderful 4th of July!

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LOL!!!!

Some people DO hate my guts, I have had some "knock down, drag outs" when some folks still thought that I was not "really a supervisor" because I am a 204B, all is good now. I have really firm backing from my Station Manager and the OIC, so that helps.

I have had scary moments, I do mean like "police in the office" scary with a couple of out of control clerks. They have since decided that they want to keep working here, and learned how to behave at work..LOL

Those were tiny minorites, most of our "crew", about 85 people, are very cooperative, but then I do speak to them with respect.

Ya, Val sounds like someone I would LOVE to work with, we would make a good team.

It is hard to overcome a toxic work environment, that negativity grows like mildew, and like mildew is real hard to get rid of (but not impossible).



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OK, I think Val and Joy should transfer to my office immediately! We could use a few good people, lol!

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We sound like the same kind of manager....I find that I avoid confrontation, etc. to a fault.

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Yep, Val, I preface a some things with "I am just doing my job", to deflect some of the flak I get about passing on some of the "crap".

Everyone has their own management style, I use persuasion instead of bullying, and do not got tough unless someone is being an ass to me, then I can rise to the occasion (but I really hate it). I am a peacemaker, I hate friction, it really can be avoided most times.


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Welcome Elaine! Sorry things got so hard at the end for you! We just try the best we can at our office and understand that not everything is "my idea" when I have to hand out the "CRAP" that gets rolled down the hill.... Hope you have a great 4th!

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Welcome Elaine,

I am happy for you getting to retire, I am not even close, way too young. I also do not work in a hellish office, our management (local) does treat us with respect, ya, a lot of stupid stuff comes downhill from district, but we all have mortgages to pay, we are big kids and can deal. This office is really quite pleasant tho, so my perspective is a little different. This group is small but very interesting, quite a blend of different aspects of the Postal Service.

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Hi. I am new. I retired in May 2008. I DON'T miss it one bit. It seems that they are handing out as much CRAP now as when I still worked. Yes, management in DC does what they want and don't care about anyone else. Mr Potter can and will talk out of both sides of his mouth. I retired as a Postmaster and there was many things that I was told to do. Family became more important to me than my career. I wasn't going to "push down" anymore the CRAP that I was told had to be done. Don't they know that you get better results when you treat people kindly that when you treat people like dirt.

If you are eligible and can retire, take it. I make as much money retired as I did working. I work at my own schedule and do what I want. I no longer have to take prescription strength Prilosec.

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The t-shirts were those who worked with the public -window clerks, carriers, bulk section etc- the rest were sent to the plant and given out - not everyone got one they only sent a certain % of different sizes to the plants. If you wear your t-shirts to go outside -bank, store etc you are advertising but if someone does ask you questions about shipping priority either you know or refer them to the USPS website- this question was asked on the stand up they issued out - about spending money especially at this time -but publicity to sell your products that's what businesses do. I chuckled when I read about the t-shirts also thought the same thing -spending money but I see and I don't think a lot of employees know how much it cost just to run a place- just electricity itself is tremendous ,supplies, security , our pay checks, leases on our buildings, medical retirement- and how many offices and plants and employees are there? I am really surprised we are still running - we are losing so much money its too scary to think about. I am just glad I have a paycheck coming in right now- family and everyone one around is hurting right now-


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Well, we finally got the t-shirts Saturday, and they did not let janitors or back office clerks have one, only carriers and window clerks. We are told we could wear them on Saturday and Wednesday. Ya, I also see the waste, they probably paid $6 or less for each shirt, and we cannot get a decent shredder, a top of the line one would run $250, but no way.

I cannot be negative in the office, have to behave, To "be an example" anyway, I intend to sitck it out, and basically don't like being negative. Our office in in no way as bad off as Trish's, tho, we are in a pretty good position, for that I am really grateful, and my heart sooooo goes out to you folks that are getting excessed, or fear losing your job, it really sucks.


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haha My husband works at the Phx P&DC and he got the "priority" shirt too! You're right... he goes to work, works in the plant, then goes home. I don't know who he is advertising for either!!!

But yet we are losing money in the post office. I can't think why.... duh.


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Oh god, Mystery Shopper. Those questions are ridiculous. When I was a SSA, my PM actually wanted me to do the whole start out asking them to do express thing. Seriously? They have a package that weighs 5lbs, you think they'll go express? It's so stupid. "How fast do you need it to get there" is much better, but god forbid the mystery shopper is around.

I turned down the t-shirt. They want us to wear them every Wednesday to "advertise priority"... I work in a plant! I drive to work, then I go home! Who am I advertising to? Jesus. Last week we were told that being maintenance, we were going to get ANOTHER shirt (locally) just for maintenance. Why? But then try to order microwaves for the break rooms and it takes months. Ugh, I should stop ranting, it's my weekend, can't think about it. :)

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My carrier said the exact same thing--"wonder how many rural carriers had their hours cut to have those t-shirts made?" Of course, when a question is posed to me like that I have no clue as to what to say as a mgmt person. I certainly didn't make that decision to do the shirts, but they sent them out to us and you can't "unspend" the money for them, so I guess we just try to get all the usage out of them for what they were intended. But I do agree that it doesn't make sense a lot of the time.

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Here's a great example of the rule not being broken, but costing more money. No SDO overtime is allowed in our district, not sure about anywhere else, but I'm thinking it's all over the country. So, we can't bring out a carrier to do his own route in 8 hours, BUT we can use 2 or 3 carriers on the daily OT list to carry this route, with one of our limited duty carriers casing it. By the end of this past week, we had one carrier who ended up with 24 hours of OT, including 7 hours POT! Which, by the way, pays him $51 an hour! Boy, sure glad we didn't use the SDO guys this week! How asinine is this?! If mgmt just used a little common sense in using OT, this would not have happened. And summer vacations are just starting!

As for the mystery shopper program, another waste of money! Our PM actually screamed at some clerks when we didn't pass a few months ago. One clerk, who was unassigned, told us it was him and that he wasn't going to ask any of the questions ever. His VOMA job was eliminated and he became unassigned and was resentful, therefore didn't really care what he did at the window. We have customers come in and say to us, no, no, no, and no. They already know what we're going to ask! And we've all wondered, is there someone that dumb that will say, yes, I have things in here that I'm not supposed to mail? Just plain stupid, and they wonder why each transaction takes forever!

I've been on this job for a long time and it just never gets any better. Back in the 80's, we had a supervisor who was very tough on us, but he didn't play favorites. You knew what to expect from him, and if you did your job, he didn't have a problem with you. Now we have a PM who is the complete opposite. Giving one guy 2 days AL because he worked a job for her when nobody else was available! I do that same job everyday, do it well, and never asked or expected anything extra for it! Yea, that makes me want to work extra hard!

I feel like I'm always complaining on this team's threads. I'm sorry if I come across as so negative, but things in our office have been so out of whack for a long time, that I just hate to go to work anymore! Everyone in our office right now is just so unhappy with the way our district is handling the excessing and job repostings.

And, has anyone tried to figure out just how much money was spent on our priority tee shirts?

OK, I'm done!

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And Welcome Addie!

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I vote to get rid of the Mystery Shopper program and I will gladly give up my uniform allowance! Surely there are a lot more PM's that would do the same. Lets make sure we get rid of the pieces of crap that some of our union's protect before we give up the good folks that just happen to not have enough time in!

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Hi Addie, welcome to the team! You make it under the no layoff clause with your 6 years, but depending on your office, you can still be excessed. I agree with just about everything you've written. The post office IS run haphazardly and makes stupid rules that end up costing them more money! I believe it is a nationwide thing, and if they don't start trying a little harder, the post office as we know it will be no more.

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Hi, new to the team. I'm at one of the Grand Rapids, MI plants and just wanted to comment on some things. I've only got 6 years in as career so I'm certainly a bit nervous lately.

In our district, the "reduction in supervisors" or however they are terming it is a joke. All they're doing is shuffling around people, creating new positions... it's ridiculous. One example -- the MOS supervisor in Grand Rapids will also be in charge of Traverse City now, eliminating the TC supervisor. Well, not really, because the TC guy will be working for the GR guy in the same capacity. WTF? If they want to layoff any craft employees they'd better take a closer look at EAS first.

Also, our plants are overrun with supervisors. Does it really take two people to supervise one APPS machine? Or 3 100's? Or a 4-seat SPBS? Seriously?

Two years ago we leased a new building. Spent millions to prep it. Spent more millions on getting AI, overhead conveyors and spirals, and two robots. Now they're talking about getting rid of the robots. Is any other organization run so haphazardly? Is this blatant waste of money a nationwide thing?

Sorry, I just had to rant a little. It pisses me off to know that my job might not be safe when just at a local level they've thrown away millions of dollars in the past two years. It's pathetic.

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We have not got the t-shirts here, but we are a multi station office, and the main might get the shirts and not us. Only one station is really small enough to consider closing, and the drive to the routes would be 15 miles, we will see but I doubt they will close that station, it has 15 routes. Ours has 50 routes, we are not going anywhere. But still feeling the pinch, they are all over us about overtime, no excuses, other than we would have to close the office early. It is really intense.


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Yep, I wore my T-shirt yesterday and the day before. I figure I will have that thing wore out way before they tell us to stop wearing them. I figure I'll wear it as much as I can stand it--what could it hurt? I have two larger offices that would be 10 and 15 minutes away. So I would think that they would definitely close some smaller places than me first. -We cover a large area on our routes. Did you happen hear about them looking at closing 150 of the smaller offices in CT? They were saying that it would take like 4 months to notify public and get hearings done, so maybe the actual closings wouldn't take place till Oct 1. They reported not knowing which offices until the end of summer. --Now I am really starting to freak out! Hang on guys! Looks like we are gonna go on a rollercoaster ride for the next few years.....

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I understand the why of them doing it, but can't believe they were that dumb! There are other ways of getting your point across without resorting to a sick out. All that does is make it harder on your co workers who have to pick up the slack.

I've often wondered why they don't close some of those very small offices. We have so many in our area, even a few all within 10 miles of one another! There are two that are less than a mile apart! Their volume and employees could be picked up by another bigger office. We've been told that Congress is holding on to these offices because of the voter base, which really can't be that big! Who knows what the reasons are.

I hope that between management and the unions working TOGETHER, that they come up with something to bring us back. The priority mail campaign is a good start. Do you all have the tee shirts to wear on Wednesdays yet? There is going to be a story and pics in our local paper on Sunday. I'll post a link when I have it.

Have a great day!

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I guess the union will have a hard time trying to defend any action taken against the sick-out participants, huh? I remember that as one of the first things the APWU rep told us during orientation--that they did not strike, but had other avenues of negotiation. I guess my biggest fear is that I will be "absorbed" into another larger PO. My office is a level 18 area office that does not ever pull a "+" in the way of revenue versus expenses. We are in budget and all, but we just do not do enough business to cover all the salaries, etc. I am hoping that they would look at taking out the smaller offices before they get to me, like the 11's, 13's, & 15/16's. Still, I try to steal every customer I possibly can from my surrounding offices. I try to give the best service and make it super easy to do business at my office. I fill out certified recpts. for the customer, tape up their parcels for them, etc. I just hope that we get turned around with this mail volume soon!

I had some good progress today with exercise. I went running with my friend and I did 3.7 miles nonstop! Yay! It was not a flat run either. Now I am completely confident that I can get this 5k done without walking.

I hope you all had a great day!

Do good tomorrow!
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It definitely was a strike, that is exactly what a sick-out is, and supposedly, we are not"allowed" to strike....hmmmmmm

Yes, I know that one of them is getting at least an LOW, maybe a suspension, because they have very recent LOW's for unscheduled leave. These people are low class as they come, and apparently think they are indispensable, that thier jobs are completely secure, thats how they act, you know, haughty. I guess that means that they are really, really stupid..LOL

The way I can even deal with the medical stuff is to completely ignore it, at least temporarily put it out of my mind, it is too huge. I take it one step at a time, even though I am aware that they are going to scan me, see results, deal with whatever (if anything) is revealed, all in several visits. I just take it one at a time. I feel fine, but I know that does not mean anything, I never felt bad in the first place.

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We just need to pray about all of it--jobs, economy, and especially for your Dr. visit Joyful! Man, it really craps that those clerks did that to your office. Almost like a little mini-strike, huh? Will they be disciplined for it? I sure wouldn't make anyone WANT to get rid of me right now if I were them. Just my two cents....

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OK, I made an appointment. I am going to the cancer center on June 24. It gives me the heebie jeebies just hearing them say those words on the phone when I call...it is surreal, thye must be talking about somebody else.


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Yep, I am back, we got back yesterday. Back to the salt mines tomorrow.

It is hard to stay on track with all this other stressful stuff at work, but we can do it. I have to make an appointment with my oncologist, I really do not want to go there, have procrastinated a little, I am calling them tomorrow, that is my goal, and I will be accountable to you guys (it helps).


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emoticon Welcome back - are you back from your vacation? or just on the internet? Hope you are back we really need some encouragement on this site-


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We are on the receiving end here, depending on the position, got a janitor position filled with an excessed clerk, we recieved several, actually lost count of how many employees from New Orleans after Karina, we liked to never have recovered from that...LOL At the same time, we are having two clerks excessed...I am not good at figuring out how that works, but to say the least they are all pissed, and taking it out on the whole office, they had a sick-out last week and delayed the whole office, had 60 carriers sitting here with our thumbs up our butts wating for mail. I hope those "sickly" losers do get excessed, because what they are doing is not part of the solution.


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I'm a SSA/distribution clerk, which means in our office, I do just about everything, lol! I also 204-b on occasion in delivery. I work in a mid-sized office, Steubenville, in eastern Ohio. Been there 32 years and really struggled about the retirement offer. I'm staying unless something better comes and I only have 3 years and 10 months until I can go. I just hope we last that long. We lost our mail processing operation about 3 years ago and it's been downhill ever since. We are now a transfer point for mail going to Youngstown for processing, but we also DPS and sort all the mail for the 439 area on Tour 1. In all of my years with the post office, this is the lowest volume I've ever seen. It's really kind of scary! I hope that we can come out of this without losing too many jobs.

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emoticon We got great news - AMP survey has been cancelled at our Plant- saw that it would not be cost effective to close the plant. I work at the Industry P&DC in California - still we know maybe next year might be a different story - its a waiting game for all of us - that's why I joined one of the stress teams also! it is so sad I have been with the postal service for 29 years and to see the way we are hurting is so scary. I hope we can keep it going -


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I completely agree about the mgmt having compassion thing. We are real people who have lives that depend on our jobs! I am someone who realizes that and am so grateful for my job. We could totally be working at Micky D's ya know? We are sooo blessed! It's like we are all on a small boat and in a huge sea storm and the boat is rolling back and forth and all we can do is hold on and try not to fall off. Sometimes we see people close to us lose their grip, but we have to have faith that God works in their lives too and it may be a time of challenge for them but it may be necessary for them to move to the next stage of their journey. I guess that is the only way I can deal with the heartbreak that goes along with situations like these. Where do you work and what is your position?

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Good morning all. Welcome Val. I have been on vacation for a month and am anxious to see what has happened since I've been gone. My route was 9 1/2 to 10 hours before but now some days it can be done in 8 1/2 or so. They are doing route adjustments so I don't know if there were any changes while I was gone.

Hang tough everyone.we'll get thru this.


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Welcome to the team Val! We have a few employees in our office who are being excessed. They became unassigned on May 23 and STILL have no idea where they are going. Management in our office relies too much on upper management to find jobs for these people. We have 3 who went out and found openings on their own. One finished on Tour 3 last night and will start in his new job today. The other two have to go through diver's training and carrier school, which is scheduled for the next couple of weeks. as for the other poor people, they are in limbo. They were told there were some openings less than 30 miles from us and they were all ready to go, then mgmt came and said the jobs weren't going to be filled. I think it's a real shame how these displaced employees are being treated. They have spouses, children, families, etc, that must also feel this if they have to go. Mgmt just keeps them on a thread, telling them there is nothing right now. We had one employee resign and another one considering it. I know that we are in bad times right now, but wouldn't it be great if management had a little compassion for these people?

Sorry I went off on a rant. It just really bothers me how they can treat these workers as just a number and not feel how this really affects them.

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Hi All! I am new to the sparkteam. I am a PM in East TN. Every job we have open right now is pretty much being held for displaced employees. I have 7 people at my office and am a "jumping off point" for new clerks. They always want to transfer to other offices to get more hours. I am hoping my present clerk doesn't leave bc I am sure I would be out of luck replacing him. I worry about my office being absorbed into another larger office around me. Not that I have heard any rumors about that sort of thing, but I guess I will just trust God that he will guide me in what to do if I lose my position for some reason. These are some scary times huh? I am just really glad that I actually touch the mail and have a very hands-on job as a smaller office PM. Makes me feel like I am less expendable. Might be a crazy thing to hang my hat on though. I pray that we come out of this on the other side still coworkers! Keep the faith!

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Well, I don't know if it's gotten around to you all, but the Glendale Remote Encoding Center was announced for closure in May 2010... *sigh* We have over 200 FTR employees and over 500 TE's. Unfortunately, the radius for "guaranteed jobs" is already at 500 miles, so I haven't got a clue if I'll be getting a postal position in the Phx area. I'm #65 on our seniority list... but I've heard that might not be good enough. With my 12 years, I was hoping for better!!!

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I just came back from vacation last night. While I was gone, they were supposed to run an audit on our mail processing operations. Also, ten clerks were supposed to be excessed. I haven't talked to anyone so I don't know what's happening. It's only been 12 days, and you all know how the wheels of the p.o. turn.....very slowly.

I'm seriously considering the ver. I have 32 years and I'm 51, so I have at least 4 more years until I can go, but it all depends on what kind of changes they will make in our office. I already have split days off, but work tour 2, so it's not too bad, but I definitely don't want to go back to either tour 1 or 3. Did both of them for many years and really like my hours now. Time will tell.

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I was told we are supposed to get two displaced supervisors at the main, don't know if one of them will get assigned to our office. Was told that The other 204B and myself will still be used as supervisors, I go back and forth. So far, I have not seen a single reduction in our office other than the elimination of the aux route and the one vacant route, they will be absorbed by substandard routes.

All of our PTF clerks are down to 25 hours, regulars get 40, absolutely no OT.


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Things are looking scary around here.


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We sure don't have an excess of supervisors in our office, we barely have staff to open and close the facility. We have four supervisors, including the station manager, that is a skeleton crew. The injured on duty paperweights are NOT supervisors, they do not open, close, or take responsiblility for anything, they just take up space and make it "appear" that we have a lot of office type non-working staff, it is frustrating, you have to beg them to even answer a phone of get a hold mail for a customer.

On saving electricity, how about NOT having the AC set at 71 degrees? It is freezing in our office, a ridiculous waste of money, I am sure none of us has our home that temperature.


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Thanks for the info. I knew most of it, just not how many and where.

I like this too:

"These positions are being eliminated based on a mathematical computation designed to readjust our management-to-craft employee ratio to factor in the thousands of craft employees who have left the Postal Service in the last several years."

What the heck took so long for that to happen? I don't want to see anybody lose their job, but we all know there are way too many supervisors for the amount of workers. And it's been that way in our office for years!

Did you guys get the thing about saving electricity? We now have maintenance workers shutting off lights all over the building. Now we can't see in the carrier section when we have to go pick up hold mail. Just waiting for an accident to happen.......


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I found that at postalnews.com. It also has everyones hire date and salary. All you need is the persons name and where they work.


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Six districts to close, 1,400 supervisor jobs cut
Organizational Changes March 20, 2009

The Postal Service is closing 6 of the 80 district offices, eliminating 521 positions across the country and offering early retirement to nearly 150,000 employees nationwide (excluding Electronic Technicians, MPE Maintenance Mechanics, Part-time Postmasters)

For the remaining 74 districts across the country, there will be a 15% reduction in administrative staffing.

More than 1400 mail processing management positions are also being eliminated in nearly 400 facilities around the country.

District Closings

Massachusetts District 116 impacted employees (105 are eligible to retire) Boston District and the Connecticut District (Hartford CT) will assume the operations.

New Hampshire/Vermont District 75 impacted employees (68 eligible to retire) Northern New England District (Portland ME) will assume operations.

Erie District 63 impacted employees (44 eligible to retire) Western Pennsylvania District (Pittsburgh PA) will assume operations.

Central Florida District 104 impacted employees (79 eligible to retire) South Florida District (Miami FL) and Suncoast District (Tampa FL) will assume operations.

Spokane District 71 impacted employees (52 eligible to retire) Seattle District and the Salt Lake City District will assume operations.

Central New Jersey District 92 impacted employees (63 eligible to retire) Northern New Jersey District (Newark NJ) and the South Jersey District (Bellmawr NJ) will assume operations.

It will take approximately 5 months to close down the functions performed at the impacted districts. We expect this to be finalized by the end of August 2009.

Impacted employees will be given 5 months notice to look for a placement within the Postal Service. If unable to do so, the employee will be given a RIF notice on June 24, 2009. Once the RIF notice is received, the employee then has 60 days before their employment status with the Postal Service will end on August 28, 2009.

Function 1 EAS positions

In excess of 1400 EAS positions in more than 400 facilities will be eliminated in mail processing operations.

These positions are being eliminated based on a mathematical computation designed to readjust our management-to-craft employee ratio to factor in the thousands of craft employees who have left the Postal Service in the last several years.

An employee who is impacted by this decision will be given 4 months notice to look for placement within the Postal Service. If they are unable to do so, the employee will be given a Specific RIF notice on May 27, 2009. Once the RIF notice is received, the employee has 60 days before their employment status with the Postal Service will end on July 31, 2009.

Additional information on the elimination of these positions will be provided.




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Got mine too. I'm also eligible in 2013, so I already lose 8% before the final figuring is done! Where did you see a list of places that are closing? I'd be interested in seeing it. The only problem with the eligible people, is that a lot of them can't or won't retire yet. It's pretty frustrating to the people in our office who are being excessed (they've finally found some jobs), when we have 8 people who are and have been eligible for some time and aren't going for whatever reasons. It's only going to get worse.

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I got my EVR letter today. What are they crazy!!!! I think I would lose way to much to even consider it. I am eligible in 2013. I was looking at the places they are closing. Did they check to see where all the eligible to retire people are?? 3/4s of the people in the buildings they are closing are eligible to retire.


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Hell, I am 47 years old, I am going to have to ride this thing out, adapt to whatever. I also am a cancer patient, must have the health insurance, that is really what I am working for. If hubby loses his job, then my pay would become much more important.


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Well, 4 more years until retirement. The VER is still going to have a penalty for less than age 55, so I guess I'll stay awhile..........

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We have 3 city carriers on limited duty, only one permanent. He has asked for a transfer to maintenance since they are short one job. He had to travel 2 1/2 hours with the postmaster to the district office, meet with 7 people, who grilled him with questions, and the end result was that he would stay where he was, carrying a 2 hour aux route, delivering express mail and that's it! He leaves on lwop every day after 6 hours. He could have been a productive 8 hour maintenance man, but no, that would be too easy. One of the other two is genuinely disabled. He hurt his leg and couldn't get medical clearance for an operation, then his back started bothering him since he was favoring his leg while walking. He finally got his hip replacement last year and still can't do a whole route. They are probably just waiting for him to retire. The last guy has been on limited duty 9 years! Fell and hit his knee on the edge of a concrete step, gets shots every month and is no closer to carrying a whole route than he was when it first happened. I'm predicting ANOTHER miracle with this guy! He'll be carrying a full route before the year is over.

I'm just glad I'm not a young person just starting out with the p.o. This job definitely isn't as secure as it once was, although more secure than most right now. I hope that things turn around, and quickly!

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I have heard that in addition to what you all have said here, they are really putting the bite on IOD's (injured on duty), re-evaluating each case, offering them a job they can actually do, if they do not take it, sayonara!! One in our office (we have five) who has sat on his butt for eight years, all of the sudden he can carry mail again, it must be a miracle.

We are hurting big time because of the mail volume, my route came back at 38.25 hours, it is not really a route, technically it is an aux. This used to be a really secure job, I do not really think that I will lose my job, but there is some scary stuff going on, and I definitely am losing money.


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I am in DC this week for the NAPUS Legislative Conference, and we were told in class yesterday that the USPS is expecting the mail volume to be 50% less this summer than last, after the May increase. There is also supposed to be a two week special count in September!



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I work at Industry P&DC here in California and we are getting those with 6 years or less excessed out to be carriers. I heard there might be an incentive but its still a rumor- since there will the be 6 Districts gone more employees will be without positions- so sad it hasnt hit me personally but those around me it has and it hurts for us all.
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What do you all think of the new changes coming? They're looking at a possible 150,000 taking the early retirement again, losing 6 districts, freezing the wages of the big guys and cutting 1400 mail processing manager jobs. I'll be one of the ones getting the info on the early retirement, again. I'll have 32 years next Thursday, but unless this offer has no penalties for being under age 55, then I have another 4 years to go. If no penalties, then I am out of here! Anyone else have any thoughts on the changes?

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All I have herad is about the early retirement, and that it is NOT for carriers at this time. I am surprised I have not heard gums flapping about this, but then I do use my iPod religiously.


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We've heard a little bit, but nothing about layoffs. I did hear about freezing the management jobs though. In our office, they are eliminating some jobs, but won't tell us how many or when it will happen. The early retirement is not going to entice too many people, since there is absolutely no incentive to go! Why would anybody want to LOSE money to retire? The post office doesn't have a clue about how people really live. I just hope there aren't too many people affected by all of these changes.

We are also under Article 12 and the Pittsburgh REC center is due to close by the end of the year. Now there will be more people looking for jobs. It just never ends.

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Wow, no I hadn't heard that. But then we never hear anything at the REC. I will ask my husband about it - he works at the Phoenix GMF..........




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Boy, the rumors are flying! A co-worker heard that if we do not get the 40,000 people off the rolls with the retirement offer, they are going to lay-off people with less than 10 years service. Have you guys heard any of that? They have frozen all EAS positions here because they said they do not have the $$ to give them the 10% raise they would get with a promotion.



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