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8/17/14 1:18 P

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Enjoy your vacation and your taper. I like your motto, " Trust the training." As they say, no race starts at the starting line.

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8/17/14 7:17 A

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"Trust the training"

Yes, I have read and heard this many times and it is one thing I keep saying to myself when the doubts start creeping in. I not only feel antsy but worried "did I do enough". I did follow the training schedule that I had picked out and it has been 15 weeks with 2 more to go. Fortunately, I am leaving for vacation today and that will fit in nice with the tapering plan.

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8/17/14 5:45 A

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you have made a correct self diagnosis...

antsy

many runners, including me, find the taper very hard. the week before any marathon i was a wreck. so wanted to go a do a run of 12 or 14 miles.

runners forget that REST is one of the most important components of training. so go for a walk or easy hike. trust the training emoticon

have a great race,
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8/12/14 6:26 A

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Well, things did not go as planned anyway. I ran my 15.5 miles on Friday but the hike was cancelled so I went on a shorter easier hike with a Spark Friend. Turned out pretty nice after-all.

I was already a little sore as we were starting up the hill. I have to wonder if a more strenuous hike would have helped or hurt more the next day? I ended up walking about 6.5 miles on Saturday when all was said and done.

The 15.5 miles was the longest training run I have and now I begin the taper. The race is still 2.5 weeks away and the scheduled run for this weekend is 9.5 miles. I think that I may go a little longer then that and then start the taper. Any thoughts on this? I guess this is were runners get antsy. Maybe this is a good time for a nice long hike instead.



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hi
for me, its about difficulty - and not sure of the difficulties involved....

is it an easy hike or likely to be more challenging because of your friends efforts. is it an easy run or a tougher route you're planning. easy hiking and easy running go great together. but if both are going to be challenging, then modify your plan. otherwise i'd be going for a hike and run!

remember: to an extent, you are using different muscles in walking versus running. this is a key factor in the galloway approach to marathoning (your running muscles get a break by walking a portion of the route)

good luck in whatever you decide
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8/5/14 7:11 A

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The half a hike option sounds really good to me. Best wishes for two great, active days!!

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8/4/14 11:40 P

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My thoughts would be these. If you are not focusing on the speed of the run, and more on the accomplishment- then hike away before the run. If time is important, then hike light. Either way I wouldn't do anything hard after the run. emoticon

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8/4/14 11:20 A

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If you're doing the hike before a long run, I'd also take into consideration your stride length. When I hike my stride goes long, but it *should* be narrower/shorter when you run. If you do a lot of hiking, it sometimes takes a conscious effort to not over-stride when running again. Just my 2 cents!

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8/3/14 9:09 P

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That is sorta what I was thinking Pasta. Go part way and then turn back to my car. I just wasn't sure how much mileage to do. The first 4 miles are actually the hardest on this hike. It is at a place called 1,000 Steps and it is a very nice and tough hike up the mountain.

I also thought maybe if I can get my LSD in on Friday afternoon this is not an issue. I will try and rearrange the run schedule this week to make it fit. But I like your idea as a last resort. I guess that I really want to do this hike and also run my last and longest distance before the "big day". (4 weeks today)

I love to hike and some times don't know the best way to incorporate it into my run, especially now that the training is for longer races.

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8/3/14 8:39 P

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Cut the hike in half - just do 6 miles or whatever you feel comfortable with. Yes, it may require you to take a shortcut or sit in the middle of the trail for a few hours and read a book until your friends return. But at least you'll be able to 1) spend time with your friends, and 2) feel confident about your LSD run on Sunday. Plus, you can catch up on reading! And you'll get a confidence boost when you find your LSD is completely unaffected by the hike the day before :-)

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8/3/14 6:11 P

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I guess that I am afraid of doing too much by hiking 10-12 miles on Saturday and then running 15.5 miles on Sunday. I wish that I could run on Sat and hike on Sun but others in the group cannot make Sunday. At this point in my training I feel that the running is most critical and I worry what effects a hike the day before a long run would be. I "know" that I can do it but I think it would be, maybe not as productive a run as it should be and probably incredibly slow. ???


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8/3/14 4:15 P

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Pasta may have a point. If hiking is considered walking there is not reason not to run the next day. It is just good cross training. If the hiking is far more physical than walking, then it might be an issue.

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8/3/14 12:23 P

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Why are you saying you "should not do [LSD] on Sunday after hiking on Saturday." That sounds fine to me. I consider running on roads vs hiking on trails to be cross-training as they use different muscles (or the same muscles but in different ways).


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8/3/14 11:13 A

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Do you have or can you take another day off during the week? Maybe Thursday or Friday you could get your long (15.5) slow run in and still do the Saturday hike. That would be best.

If you hiked the whole distance (15.5) instead of run-walk-run it, it would probably work out okay. I'm thinking that if you are going for a time goal, that would not be good, but if you just want to make the distance it probably would be okay once during a 3-6 month training period.

I'm sure there are people more expert than I. I do remember Jeff Galloway saying that if you can't follow the training program as written due to missing some training, to walk the difference between the training program and where you are (not increasing more than 10% in a week.)

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8/3/14 10:03 A

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Looking to see if any of you runners are also hikers? I am training for a couple of long races, including my first marathon and I am wondering and looking for any tips on how hiking can fit in. I sometimes have to choose between my hiking friends and my LSD and I wonder if I have to. We do some pretty good mileage when we hike.
Next week they are doing a hike that I really want to do but I have my last and longest LSD on Saturday of 15.5 miles before my 18.12 Challenge. I know the run must be done and I should not do it on Sunday after hiking on Saturday. Next weeks hike is definitely out but generally speaking what to do?
Anyone else?

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