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2/18/13 7:53 A

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Here's a handstand calamity that made the news in New York City:

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and you wonder why I think yoga has been hijacked by commercial interests ...


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1/30/13 10:34 P

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well done on the handstand! I can do a handstand fairly easily - but not yet a headstand.

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1/29/13 1:48 P

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emoticon emoticon emoticon take care too! What an accomplishment!

What makes a person who they are, are the choices they make. Albus Dumbledore

Our choices define us. E. Kant

If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous. P. Coelho

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1/29/13 12:20 P

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Handstand Success!! 4 months after my initial calamitous try, I got up into handstand today for about 45 seconds each, two separate times! Yippee! Okay, yoga isn't only about the physical asanas...still I'm happy like a little kid!

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10/20/12 7:41 A

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That studio and its spinoffs, are long gone from my life ... HISTORY ... I'm only sorry I permanently deleted my Yelp review of them after that, in a fit of pique once (long story).

But what is new is the development my trick knee (more technically speaking, a torn meniscus).... the outgrowth of an auto accident I'd had over 30 years ago, wear and tear, activity, and age ... bearing extra weight being a small part of that (remember, I yo'yod frequently over decades; and my weight averaged not so many pounds north of now ...)

I have been doing a sole home practice (self sequenced, the vast majority of the time) for just over one year. Not giving a live, brick-and-mortar yoga studio any money for all that time.

I'd been introduced to yoga at age 16, many years ago--then taking a class here and there between the ages of 20 and 25 after that (in the 70's); a few in the 1980s; taken a course in yoga at the Y in 1991. Child's pose was the pose I was personally instructed to do by that time, when only about a third of the class was doing headstand. I had been 37 years old at the time, and I guess this class was representative of the generation before this one ... Same Greater New York City area (although I've lived elsewhere - more "culturally backward" - geographically in the time before e-media and threw that in to mess things up...)

Headstand, forearm stand, firefly, sage pose (the arm balance OR the stretch), fancy lotuses in every arm balance, inversion or contortion you could think of, had never been on the menu or even talked about back a few decades.

That had been a simpler time.

Rationality is reemerging in commercialized yoga, but it will take time.

Edited by: TINIERTINA at: 10/20/2012 (09:45)

Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal.

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10/20/12 2:10 A

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VISION_QUEST2 - yikes! sounds like one of 2 problems. 1) you have a really pushy teacher, and you need to get out of there and find a new one - stat! No one should force you to do poses you are not ready for or not comfortable with. or 2) you need to speak up! I've been guilty of letting teacher "coach" me into poses that I didn't want to do because I didn't want to say NO and embarrass myself or them (weird, but we are social creatures!).

In any event, I'd say that you are right. This discussion is certainly NOT relevant for everyone. Unless your arms and upper body are strong enough AND you've had the training, you should not be attempting a handstand.

And, yoga is about a personal awareness.... so you should practice knowing (and accepting) when you aren't ready to do things.

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10/19/12 8:57 P

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This discussion may not be relevant or safe for certain classes of body types or overweight or aging, compromised-physical-ability populations.

It is unfortunate that too much emphasis in yoga is on accomplishment of physical poses, when in truth the goal of yoga is to get and be centered. To realize "union with the divine"

I have been practicing yoga for over 5 years. When The Yoga Teacher to the Future Yoga Rock Stars tried to teach me handstand (using L-pose, facing away from the wall, but not stopping there), that was a bit of a red flag. My shoulders were inflamed into the next day. (though the pain was not unbearable.) He had no real conception of the fact I could hardly hold wheel for more than a second or two at the time.

Preferring to teach the more dynamic wild thing/flip dog to the young gumby ladies ...


Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal.

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Find a way.

--Diana Nyad

(Said after swimming from Cuba to Key West without fins or shark cages)

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10/1/12 5:38 P

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Thank you so much PUNCHILOUIE for the Yoga Journal link. The written information and especially the video are so helpful. Thank you, thank you.

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10/1/12 11:43 A

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Thanks everyone. I'm feeling better today. I love doing wheel. I practice it several times almost everyday. Before my brain insult some years ago, I enjoyed hanging out in headstands. Now I need a wall and I practice headstands less than before. I'm good at chaturangas and all kinds of pushups. What I am not good at are pullups and arm balances. I practice all kinds of overhead presses, I'm working on pullups, crow, firefly, ....
To begin to do a handstand, my yoga instructor advised me to plant my hands on the floor near a wall, kick up, touch the wall with my toes, and come directly down. Do this repeatedly. A friend suggested doing the same, hands planted to the floor parallel to a wall, squat low with butt high and kick up. Do this repeatedly. Lots of little kicks. This is an even smaller movement. I began trying this morning.

I must say, arnica is really effective.

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10/1/12 11:42 A

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emoticon Feel better!

My name is Nadine and I live in Henderson, NV


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10/1/12 11:34 A

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I'm sorry to hear about your fall. Take care of yourself!

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10/1/12 1:15 A

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PETALIA Sorry to hear you fell, be careful. Like KELLY122581 says "never practice this pose alone" Her advice is a good one, mastering wheel pose and then handstand.

Positive thoughts your way and best wishes for you. TAKE CARE! emoticon

Some tips from Natasha Rizopoulos from Yoga Journal
www.yogajournal.com/poses/788

Edited by: PUNCHILOUIE at: 10/1/2012 (01:23)
What makes a person who they are, are the choices they make. Albus Dumbledore

Our choices define us. E. Kant

If you keep believing in yourself and seek enthusiasm inside your soul, things will get simpler, more spontaneous. P. Coelho

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10/1/12 12:55 A

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Hope you feel better soon! How is the strength in your arms/shoulders? Can you push yourself into wheel pose and stay there for a while? I think this is the key for handstand. I'd practice those shoulder strengthening poses i.e. wheel and eventually headstand (on your forearms) before getting to handstand. I practiced my handstand for a few weeks with a thick throw pillow between my hands in case I fell - I never fell, but it wouldn't have helped save my neck from a bad impact if my shoulders just collapsed, but it would help protect my head from a bump. Also.... never practice this pose alone - even if you are experience, in case you fall.

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9/30/12 11:38 P

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Oh dear that sounds rough. I hope you mend quickly.

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9/30/12 7:12 P

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Today, my first day attempting to do a handstand against a wall, I fell on my head and neck. Ouch! I felt stunned, stupid, and impulsive the way a kid might. It's Arnica, Epsom Salts, heating pads, and ice packs for me for awhile. I'm really okay but my left shoulder is a bit messed up. Does anyone have any tips for working up towards a handstand? What was your handstand experience like and how did you get there? I'm all ears (eyes). Thanks.

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