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Posts: 73 8/26/13 3:48 P
Hi girls:) I might be asking this question again, but I really need to know what you think is better for thin pcos? Is paleo better than primal and what is the difference? I am asking casue I don;`t know which books to order and which one is more beneficial? My nice is now underweight from all the stress from this and my sister is ina confusion, diary or no dairy, legumes or not, how much grains,,,,i received a recommendation that she cut out all grains, legumes , but that seems too strict for her, I think, the best would be not to overstress and just eat healthy... Thanks for reading, hope to hear from you!! Jackie
current weight: 142.0
Posts: 28 8/24/12 6:38 P
I don't but packaged products but the meat is too expensive for me!! I have a part time job and go to school full time, so I don't have that much money for the meats. I fill up mostly on fresh veggies and fruits and whole grains such as millet or amaranth or oatmeal and have my almonds and raisins and such for snacks. I have mostly chicken for my protein, but get ground beef when I can.
In general, I believe the best thing is to incorporate exercise and to eliminate/ severely moderate chemicals and processed ingredients from your diet. I have been avoiding anything that has a weird chemical (while still indulging every once in a while) and walking every day for at least 30 mins and have been feeling so much healthier and... losing weight!!! And, I don't feel restricted by my diet!
Edited by: CHICKLET0317 at: 8/24/2012 (18:40)
current weight: 196.0
Fitness Minutes: (1,066) Posts: 21 8/24/12 5:32 P
They do not recommend soy. The diet is high fat/moderate protein and lots of veggies with moderate fruit/dairy/nuts/seeds. The reason it is high fat is because about half your calories will come from fat, like nuts/seeds/animal fats/butter etc. The protein doesn't have to be red meet or pork, whatever works best with your body. It could be chicken, turkey, fish, eggs etc.
I also agree there is no one diet that works for every single person, there will always be the exceptions and you have to adjust things to what makes you feel best. The most important thing is to avoid the processed foods/grains and monitor your insulin. Since this "lifestyle" suggests you eliminate all processed/packaged food and grains that will just about slash 75% of your carbs right there and will allow you to get your insulin under control. But you have to make up the absent calories from all those grains with healthy fats.
Most people don't eat more protein than would seem outside the norm. For example, a couple eggs with some sausage or bacon and veggies/fruit for breakfast. Some nuts/seeds and some fruit for a snack, a salad with 4-6oz lean protein like chicken or fish, and 4-6 oz of lean protein and steamed veggies for dinner. And maybe a little dark chocolate for dessert.
The bulk of your meals is still veggies with moderate protein. So it's not really a whole lot of protein. It just seems that way because there are so little carbs. But you have to do what works for your body. It's just there's been a lot of success stories of women curing their PCOS with this lifestyle because it maintains their insulin which is the key thing.
And in regards to the cost, I find I am actually saving money on groceries because I'm not buying all that packaged stuff anymore. I buy fresh meats, veggies, fruit, eggs, nuts/seeds and some cheese and dark chocolate weekly and that's it.... unless I need to restock with some butter and oils etc.
Edited by: STEFFANIELUV at: 8/24/2012 (17:35)
current weight: 244.5
Posts: 28 8/24/12 2:35 P
I am also turned off by the high amounts of meat in some of these recipes. I don't like handling meat that much, and I can hardly afford it anyway with these recipes.
I don't think tofu would be "allowed" because I /think/ soy is not "allowed" in the paleo/ primal diet.
I am still under the assertion that it is important to have a diet that you can live with and be happy with, not one that someone sets up and writes a book about..... but we can all follow some of the guidelines (limiting processed foods, carbs, inflammation-causing foods, etc.) and adjust to how our bodies feel. I don't think there is one "right" diet!
current weight: 196.0
Fitness Minutes: (40,185) Posts: 809 8/24/12 2:21 P
I've been reading up on the Paleo/primal diet for a couple of weeks, but I have a question. How heavily does it rely on meat? I never eat red meat (beef or pork) and I'm having an aversion to chicken lately, so that basically leaves me with fish and turkey.
I tried South Beach in the past and it was challenging because of my limited options. Is tofu OK in the primal diet? It is processed, so I'm not sure. And it's a bean, so maybe not.
Any insight or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!
Edited by: NEWSGIRL2177 at: 8/24/2012 (14:32)
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Posts: 317 8/24/12 9:28 A
I've looked into it, and agree with the concept...I just can't give up my milk, cheese, and yogurt. I also want to still be able to eat the starches/grains/legumes without them making me sick, even if I don't eat them frequently (if you stop eating them for long periods, and start again, they make you feel awful; vegetarians have the same reaction to suddenly getting meat).
So I do my own modified version. I can still order normal when we go out to eat. I still get birthday cake (just small pieces) at parties. And most importantly, to me, my son is eating tons of veggies but getting served a wide variety of ALL foods, even treats on occasion, to teach him balanced eating (he is a toddler...he has his picky days, but sometimes he is refusing to eat anything other than BROCCOLI!)
ETA: I also started getting RAW milk and cheese. I've seen that fermented milks (yogurt, kefir) can still be allowed. Raw milk and cheese, don't bother my stomach the way the stuff from the store does. So I am going for minimally processed still
Edited by: AMBROSIAHINO at: 8/24/2012 (09:30)
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Fitness Minutes: (33,208) Posts: 6,978 8/19/12 2:23 P
I've been slowly converting to full Paleo for about 4 months. You will feel and see a difference with this type of eating for sure.
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Fitness Minutes: (1,066) Posts: 21 8/18/12 6:22 P
Hey, do what works for you and I hope you find a lifestyle that suits you :) Everyone is different, I just thought I'd mention this since it seems to go along with what PCOS experts have mentioned about the low carb diets.
I know its hard giving up the carbs and comfort foods but I personally feel better when I avoid them. That's not saying I will never ever ever have a piece of cheesecake or a potato chip or slice of bread again, but they aren't going to be a daily staple in my diet.
The paleo/primal diet explains that the main issue with grains (all grains) are that they were introduced only about 10,000 years ago so it is a relatively new food source that our bodies haven't adapted to yet. Our ancestors from the last 200,000 years, from which we are identical to, evolved on high fat/high protein diets and very little carbs of all kinds, even fruit. They suggest for most people (excluding athletes) that 150g carbs per day is plenty and those should come from veggies, fruit, and some dairy.
current weight: 244.5
Fitness Minutes: (1,066) Posts: 21 8/18/12 6:09 P
Side note: the Primal Parenting woman in my first few links has an extreme sensitivity to many foods so it won't be necessary for all of us to take the extreme measure she needed to. For most of us, simply eliminating all grains and processed sugary foods will do the trick. It takes a couple weeks to overcome the carb addictions and reprogram your body to use fat as energy rather than sugar.
Trust me, do some research on this, you will be amazed! Let me know what you guyz find!
Here are a few more links I found while googling "pcos primal diet".
I have heard this as well. But I am so torn on the issue. I don't know if I would rather be "thin" or enjoy all my favorite foods! However, I am beginning to think that exercise and moderation of inflammatory-causing foods as well as eating whole foods rather than processed grains, etc would be best for me as well as help me to lose weight and reduce my symptoms.
I also had the thought that we should not restrict foods that come from the earth.... but just because the plant is not visually poisonous or causing death, does not mean it is not affecting something internally...
I have also had trouble getting used to eating the large amounts of meat the primal diet recipes have.
current weight: 196.0
Fitness Minutes: (1,066) Posts: 21 8/18/12 5:52 P
I couldn't find where anyone had started talking about this so I thought I would mention it. As most of us know, women with PCOS are insulin resistant. There is overwhelming evidence that grains/sugars/dairy trigger this response and therefor it is detrimental to our health.
I came across Marks Daily Apple, which talks about eating/living a primal lifestyle. Basically this diet cuts out all grains (potatoes, rice, pasta, corn, etc) all legumes (beans, lentils, peanuts, soy) all processed/packaged foods, vegetable oils and most dairy. All these foods cause insulin spikes which in turn cause systemic inflammatory diseases and all sorts of other issues. You have to retrain your body to burn fat rather than sugar as fuel.
I've heard for a long time that women with PCOS need low carb diets to monitor insulin but I never really fully understood how insulin works and how serious it can be to your health. I've read the Primal Blueprint 21 Day Transformation and will be starting Monday. It seems very clear to me now that in order to cure my illness and live a long healthy life I must eliminate these foods from my diet. Honestly, they aren't really good for anyone.
I also did some research to see if any women out there who had PCOS cured it with a paleo/primal lifestyle and I've found lots of articles confirming this. Below are a few links you should check out. Good luck! We can beat this without drugs and doctors!
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