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7/3/08 2:51 P

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Don't get too discouraged. I completely understand how it feels to be doing everything you can and still not get results...it's one of those unfortunate side effects of PCOS. I would definately talk to you doctor about Metformin. There are risks invovled with taking it, but atleast in my case the benefits outweighed those risks and I have slowly started to see resuls since starting the Met. regimin. Also definately try to get into strength training to increase lean muscle mass. Another thing I might try is changing up your exercise routine. For instance, dance one day, bike another, walk another. This might help to jumpstart your metabolism by adding variety, your body won't know what to expect and will have to react.

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7/2/08 7:35 A

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I can understand the frustration, but don't beat yourself up over it. i work out 3 times a week for strength training and on the off days I do 40 minutes on the treadmill. It took me 6 weeks to see a weightloss, but then the pounds started to come off about a lb a week. Right now I am at a plateau that I am working on breaking.

It sounds like you are doing the right thing. There is a SP article that even says for some people, your body can take up tp six weeks to show weightloss. WHich mine was the type that was stubborn.

That being said, weightloss is not your only pay off. You do not see what exercise is doing on the inside of your body, but things are happening. I can attest to this as my triglyceride was 289 (149 or lower is the expectation)in Nov 2007. I started putting my all into exercising in January 2008. I went back to the dr ready to accept defeat and get put on cholesterol meds for life and guess what? Just by exercising and cutting back on sugar, I dropped my points by 110! Still a little high, but not like it was! I have not gone back yet to see if it was dropped anymore, because I want to wait another 3 months. Also, my BP was perfect and I lowered my total cholesterol by 7 points. So you'd be amazed at what goes on "under your skin".

Hang in there and don't give up.

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6/30/08 12:08 P

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I went to the doc. He is going to do a blood panel for cholestoral and lipid levels and also wants to check my glucose fasting level. I told him I should do insulin fasting levels, but he stood firm.

(The reason I said this, was I was told that people with Insulin Resistance, which I suspect I have, can very often have normal glucose levels so I"m afraid that it won't show if IR is lurking..butI guess I need to trust him.)

He also suggested a diet that was created by a UCLA medical endocronologist (he suggested I go see him, since I live in Los Angeles.) The diet is called the 18% Solution. Anyone heard of it?
Anyway supposedly if you follow the plan you can lose 18% body weight in 18 weeks.
I'm gonna order it today.

He also told me something that made me sad. I have him check what the weight was for me my last 2 visits (last year and year before). And I was 6lbs and 12lbs lighter respectively.
I didn't even know I had ever HIT 152!
So I'm averaging a 6 lb net GAIN every year. That's so awful :(
Anyway.. this is the weight i"ve been since January when I bought my scale.. so if it's a plateau it's a damned long one...

I just got back from Vegas too, so naturally I"m back up to my starting weight. Joy.
BLEH!

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6/28/08 1:15 P

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Hello, I think the best amount of carbs in your diet depends on how much you have to lose. I have to lose much more than most people so I try to limit my carb intake to 20 or 30 per day. I think 40 and over is the norm, but you should ask your physician on what he/she recommends for you. Once per week I will have brown rice or pasta & also quinoa, if I am craving more carby foods. I am also a dessert person so I buy Carb Smart ice cream bars at the grocery store (they are delicious and only have 5 net carbs). If I want a chocolate protein shake I love to buy Slim Fast Low Carb shakes because they only have 2 net carbs & 20 grams of protein in one can (one serving). I used to follow the Atkins plan but it was too strict and too fatty, so my ideas and tips come from The South Beach Diet.

Edited by: ANNAKOUKLA at: 6/28/2008 (13:15)
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6/27/08 1:14 P

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Thanks so much for all the info. I have an appointment (my first) with an endo on Monday, so maybe he and I can figure this all out together.

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6/27/08 12:03 P

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My doctors (and everyone else) have also been pushing low-carb diets on me for years. I tried a very low-carb diet, and felt terrible. (I'm vegetarian, so that was extremely hard!) The last doctor that I fired told me that I had to start eating meat or I would never lose weight.

My most recent doctor (who is awesome) tested me for a number of things. We found out that I'm gluten intolerant. I've been on a GF diet for the last month - with awesome results! I can still have items that would be "no nos" on a low-carb diet, like rice and corn. No wheat, barley, rye, spelt, kamut, malt, etc. I can't believe how much better I feel!

What angers me about my former doctor is that he totally missed that one. Now that I've learned more, the signs were all there. But he blamed my gastrointestinal symptoms on the metformin. (Which by the way, is now working again, thanks to the new diet.)

Each of us are different. I'm not saying that everyone with PCOS should get tested for celiac disease or gluten intolerance - but rather that we should take control of our health and not just let doctors dismiss our concerns. Like so many of them seem to do.

Here is a link to an article about celiac disease and obesity. The author postulates that maybe one of the reasons so many people have success on a low-carb diet is that they are really gluten intolerant:

www.celiac.com/articles/1033/1/Celia
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OK, I'm off my soapbox now. :)

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6/27/08 11:57 A

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Carbs are different for everyone. I can have more carbs up to 150g/day, as long as I have at least 100g protein, and none of those carbs are refined flour or sugar, and most of them are fruits/veggies/cheese etc., very few grains all whole. You can see my food tracker for an example of my usual eating habits. For me including protein and carb in the same meal is most important.

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6/27/08 11:50 A

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Angellybelly--It might be a plateau. I stayed at the same weight for most of June, and everyone told me it was a "plateau". It's hard to see the scale not budge for weeks at a time...but I tried to tell myself that at least it wasn't going up.

Tgriff--the right amount of carbs differs between women. My suggestion would be to check out a couple of books on low-carb diets and see what sounds right to you. Just pick a diet and experiment. I'm sorry it's not more definite! You could try starting with very low carbs and slowly increase until you feel comfortable. For example, my doctor told me to keep my carb intake below 50 net grams a day (carb grams minus fiber grams equals net grams of carbs), which is actually pretty extreme. But I also need to eat 2.5 half-cup servings of vegetables a day, plus a small salad. Plus around 100 grams of protein (which I do by drinking a whey powder shake). If I follow this religiously, I lose more weight. Well, here I am two months into the regime, and guess what? I'm not at all religious about it. I can get up to 100 net carbs a day! I don't always drink my shake, and I don't always get all my veggies or a salad. My weight loss slows waaaaaaay down when I do this. I'm just telling you this to let you know what I do.

I know that many PCOS-ers don't need to keep their carbs quite that low. Many find success with the South Beach diet, the Zone diet, or the Insulin Resistance diet, to give you ideas. The really good news is, you don't have to be as extreme as the Atkins diet (20 carbs a day!!!) to have success. (I've only known ONE person who was ever able to stick to the Atkins diet for very long.)

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6/27/08 10:32 A

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Everyone, even my doctor tells me to do low carbs, but what is the right amount? I am so confused with that. I switched from low carb to fewer calories, but would still like to understand what is the number of carbs that is right each day.

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6/26/08 4:32 P

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i'm going to the doc today for somethin totally not related to weight or pcos..but I think I will bring this up...

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6/25/08 10:41 P

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Metformin makes a huge difference in my ability to lose weight. Once I get to a healthy weight range, I no longer need to take it. My insulin levels are great. That is my goal. To take it until I don't need to anymore!

The Met. is not a magic bullet. Think of it as a key that unlocks the door to your weight loss. It makes it so the playing field is level with someone that doesn't have PCOS. It also helps me to have a better attitude. I am very moody and get down easily when my insulin is out of control. Depression can be an issue with PCOS. I think it stabilizes things so that I can cope better too. My skin is clearer and I feel better overall.

Walking helps me. So does limiting my carbs. I know quite a few PCOS ladies that have used the South Beach diet and lost a lot of weight and kept it off.
I can't do it because for some odd reason, when I eat a lot of protein, I get stomach pain. Odd, huh? Even my doctor is clueless about that one.

Hang in there! Think of this less as a rushed attempt to lose weight and more as adopting a healthier lifestyle. That way, the weight loss is just the icing on the cake! (HAH HAH! Nothing like a little dessert humor on a diet site!)

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6/25/08 1:10 P

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Yah the 40/30/30 is the zone style ratios..and I *try* to stick to those in every meal.
Some days I notice I"m nearly right on at the end of the day with that ratio.
When I go low carb I sometimes worry I'm not having ENOUGH carbs.
Recently I reintroduced more carbs into my diet (all whole grain etc.)
But never more than 30grams in any two hour period.
Maybe I need to go back to South Beaching. I just don't want to choose a lifestyle I can't stick with for the long haul.

I saw a budge on the scale today.. 163.4 perhaps that is the trend that will get me down under 160. I want to see the 150s already.

I also bought weights yesterday YAY!
Now I want a stability ball...

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6/24/08 11:10 P

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Oh that sounds so frustrating!

When I was around that weight maybe around 160 I found that I would weigh myself every week and I would see a change on the scale every 2 weeks.

Definitely try strength training. It sounds like you're doing everything you're supposed to be though! There's also some videos on the site which have been great for both cardio and strength training.

There's a nutritionist in NYC named Martha McKittrick who specializes in PCOS and nutrition and she told me that I should try to stick to 40% carbs which is what I do. I was seeing here when I was somewhere like 155 lbs and she really helped. So I end up doing 40% carbs 30% protein and 30% fat more or less.

I wish you much success with all of your goals!

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6/24/08 6:02 P

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Ivory1825, I love the spark thought, that makes TOTAL SENSE!

Angellybelly, you and I are about the same size and I have the same problems! The weight comes off slowly. I've noticed every time I start a diet/exercise routine, I'll stay the same for about 3-4 weeks and then one day I'll weigh and I've lost 7 lbs! It's weird.

The weight training really works for me. I just need to stick with it!

We can do this!!!!!

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6/24/08 4:30 P

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y ahaven't even been here a month yet, so cant expect the weigh tor inches to just come flying off .. give it a few months for your body to ajust .. also you might be under your cals which could hamper your loss

you might try to see a dietition who can help you get a plan togheter that would work for you, SP is a general deal an dnot aied at special medical needs, so is nto right for everyone, great place for tracking stuff but not for everything.

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6/24/08 2:27 P

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Don't feel so bad. It's only been 3 weeks and it took longer than that for you to put on the weight. I would definitely get all the blood work done and check your results. Metformin may work for you. Just keep the faith and do the research. And, don't put the added stress on yourself of why you haven't lost any weight, yet. Stress is a big factor in not losing weight. I say just relax. Go to the doctor and see if maybe there is something else going on. You may not be fighting all your battles and that is the problem. You will make this work because you seem determined.

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Believe me, I totally understand how discouraging this can be.

You should definitely add strength training. You may see some surprising results here. Possibly you'll gain pounds at first - but your clothes will start to feel loose. (Personally, I'd be OK with my weight if I could wear a size 6 again!)

You might want to consider talking to your doctor about Metformin or other options. I've had really good luck with it. Until my daughter was born (yay Metformin!) and it stopped working - but that's another story.

Good luck!

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6/24/08 2:11 P

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Okay I've been on SparkPeople since June 3, and have really been using all the tools to motivate myself to diet AND exercise.
(I have made my nutrition and fitness logs public, feel free to look at them.)

I have been staying in my calorie range. My carb intake makes up about 45% of my calories. Fat and Protein are usually about equal, but usually a little higher in the fat department since I eat a lot of nuts and cheese.

I have been working out close to 30 minutes a day. Mostly moderate things like dancing and brisk walking. I get sweaty.

I've lost not a single pound and not a single inch.

I've done all the calculations with my BMR which is around 1540. My calorie range allowance reflects an amount that should put me in a losing range without going into "starve" mode.

I try not to eat more than 30 grams of carbs in any meal. And with my 30 grams of carbs I try to do the whole link and balance thing (IR Diet).

I eat fruits and veggies.

I've upped my water in take (currently I get in about 6 cups but some days i"m really good and manage 8. either way still more than the 0 I started with.)

NOthing is budging. I'm doing this now.. 3 whole weeks.

I'm about to add strength training. I'm doing my best to stay focused on ALL the things I can do to just put me in a "healthier" place physically AND mentally (emotionally would be nice too.)

Could this be a case where I should consider going on metformin?

I've never taken drugs for my PCOS. When I went to the doctor 7 years ago, they just said "diet and exercise". (I went to weight watchers and lost more than 10% of my body weight, and went down to 155. I'm now 165)

I've never taken the final blood test to confirm if I had Insulin Resistance.
I just felt why should I have this on my medical records if all they will tell me is to lose weight and exercise and do strength training? Ya know?

Anyway.. tips? advice? encrouagement? thoughts?
I'm really feelin low :(

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