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emoticon JWHITE..........pray tell how did you get that much fiber in a day ?



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4/24/12 11:56 A

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JWhite- emoticon on reaching maintenance!!! emoticon

I also find that the glycemic load is a big deal.


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Way to go Jwhite - You've done a beautiful job!!

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I agree about the glycemic index and load. Congratulations on making it to maintenance!

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4/23/12 10:53 A

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Just wanted to tell all that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I am on maintenance now and have been for more than a year. My biggest problem now is letting myself slip under what I call my minimum weight of 140. I only ate about 50 net cabs when I was loosing from 204 to 140 in 6 months but now I usually eat about 150 to 170 net carbs with 40 to 60 grams of fiber. So it does get easier after you get to your goal weight. I did also control my calories to about 50% of what my weight calculated to be a maintain calorie intake.
I did completely away with any Wheat products and Dairy milk. Making bread with Flax and using unsweetened Almond milk. Now I try to minimize wheat as much as possible while still allowing myself to feel like I have a life. (Americans are surrounded with a sea of wheat.) I eat one low carb tortilla (6 net) with salsa 4 or 5 nights a week and that has some wheat in it.
I try to keep a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 balance with fat, protein, and carbs but seldom hit that on the nose.
By getting as many carbs as I want from cabbage, broccoli and my favorite helper, Kabocha Squash it doesn't seem to bother when I eat 100-120 net carbs. I have been counting these as good carbs and they don't seem to trigger any weight gain and the foods they are in are so low calorie that I usually am under 2,000. I still avoid any bad carbs (sugar, grain, etc..) and limit my fat because of the high calories.
I am leaning toward the theory that the glycemic index and glycemic load of the carbs is very critical. I am not an expert (yet) but it sure bears doing some research. Ck mendosa.com and www.health.harvard.edu and search glycemic index.
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I have to space my carbs apart too or I pay dearly for it. I need to do the same with my protein too but don't always think of it.

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I try and keep my carbs in the 30 gram range - I try and split them into about 10 each meal rather than all at once unless it's something special. And for 20-25 grams protein each meal as well.

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I agree about gradually increasing the calories. I still watch my fat intake but don't fret about it. I can eat cheese, nuts, and fruit but not wheat.

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-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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I think there is no harm in starting very low, and working up the carb ladder. Your body will let you know what the right level of carbs is.

I used to take diabetes pills till 22 months ago. Low carb got rid of it. I aim for 5-60% fat, so have no idea why you would want to limit fat. The higher the fat, the faster you lose. I wouldn't add extra fat, but don't avoid it.

One more note.. cheese, nuts, SF products/artificial sweeteners, and fruit can stall people. It might not be the 60 carbs that is the problem, but what those carbs consist of.

Read lots of books.. even nutritionists worry about being sued. My doctor works with me on low carb " off the record ". Excited by my 104 cholesterol, 80 blood sugar, 51 HDL, 5.4 A1C, and 104/63 BP.. but officially, my diet is dangerous..lol

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I think 60 is good as well for many people. I recommend 20-150 net carbs depending on your own unique needs.

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I know this is an older thread, still, I will chime in:

I don't see a problem with 60 grams/carb/day. That should be just fine. I would emphasize more fat and less protein because you are a woman and excess protein is converted to glucose (I read that somewhere.)



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They worry about being sued all the time. LOL.

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-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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You'd think they'd tell their patients that then and refer them to a nutritionist or to someone who could answer their questions instead of just telling them, "eat less" "eat low fat" "eat DASH diet" and things like that. Are they afraid to admit they don't know everything??? (even tho a lot of them would like us to think they do)...

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I think more doctors would recommend low carb but they are afraid of what their colleagues will think.

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I have a friend here whose Doctor actually told her to try the Paleo/Primal way of living. She is diabetic...

My own doctor told me low carb was okay, she said, "it's being proven that this is a good way for most people"..and only cautioned me to not go overboard with cheese because it was easy to do.

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Doctors have minimal nutritional counseling. Nurses have more than they do.

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3/20/12 12:25 P

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Isn't it a shame that even within the supposedly well-informed medical community old habits keep getting supported and promoted. Good for the ones who keep up with the new standards and aren't afraid to put them into effect. I want to give them medals.

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Lots of M.D.s are really getting into South Beach. Even in my area which is usually one of the last places to adopt new ideas. Maybe we will even soon have a doctor who likes Paleo/Primal, which is a great diet too but I have yet to encounter any so far. In 1988 a doctor here started a low carb diet program and the other doctors sat around talking about how all his patients were going to start dropping dead like flies. LOL. At the time I didn't even know what they were talking about as every patient we had was low sodium, low fat, and/or diabetic.

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my doctor told me that with heart and artery desease, that the best diet for me to follow for a life style change is the south beach diet.

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That is a good book. I keep it by my beside but like all of the diet books I like I still find problems with it too.

Some great lower carb plans are also lower fat, like South Beach. South Beach is one of the best diets available in my opinion. My son lost 120 pounds on it and I lost 53 on a modified phase 2. I didn't stay on it because I went on it to help my son lose weight and once he reached goal weight I went back to my own M.D.s high protein, low carb, moderate to high fat diet and it's one of the best I've found for my medical conditions. I have yet to find a diet that I support 100% and I did diet counseling. LOL. They all have something wrong with them. That is why you see so many people spinning off similar diets. As a nurse I observed that a lot of the plans have to do with the personal preferences of the people originating them. For instance, if they like chocolate it's included. LOL. Most lower carb diets, even Atkins, are about finding your own individual carb tolerance level and when you find it the fat and protein falls into place. If you are eating healthy carbs in the form of chiefly low glycemic veggies and can tolerate them there is no reason to stay 20gms of carbs a day of less. Atkins didn't expect it. Protein Power doesn't expect it. The only diet that will work is the one that you can make a way of life.

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Beth, I have to agree with Exotec... We need the fat to use to burn the fat we have. You might check Gary Taubes book, "Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It".. It's a good book and explains it very well.

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BETH - why are you using "low-fat" ANYthing? you need that fat!

As others have noted, everyone has to develop their own plan. My suggestion would be to research the various ancestral diets and try to adapt them for your use. The percentages I've seen have been about 60-80% of your calories from fats, 25-35% from proteins, and the remainder (as low as you're comfortable with) from good carbs. I think many starting out will try to keep their carbs down around 50g. Some of the plans suggest 30-50 for the initial period (induction), and then tweaking it upwards until your progress slows. That should be "your" number. I've also heard there's some magic spot right around 70. That seems to be true for me, because if I allow myself to take in more than that, everything stalls.

When you reduce your carbs, you should be replacing with fats. Don't let the protein get too high. I saw a calculation somewhere recently (and use this as a general guide only) that your protein intake is suggested for 0.8 x your ideal body weight. I think they worked that out to be around 40-50g for most folks. Naturally, that's affected by your ideal BW! Even so, I have trouble getting that much protein. And I eat plenty of meat!

It's a little adventure until you find your own particular path. It can be confusing and at times frustrating, but it's fun too. Learning to listen to your body, and finding out it will "listen" back, and reward you. Keep tweaking! It will all fall into place.
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calculation correction: I think it's 0.8 x HALF your ideal BW. I believe I saw that in Nora Gedgaudas' book. You might want to recheck there.

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If you cut back on carbs and are a meat eater the fat naturally goes up. It's really not a problem. I urge people to eat unprocessed meat as much as possible.

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Gosh y'all are so smart!!! I've never been able to hit the protein goal--Even when i had steak and cauli with lowfat cheese. But i've always gone a bit above the fat goal. I think i will go with what morticea said and just do the cals and carbs. I do suspect however that i will have to lower the carbs, at least at first. Thanks for the help!

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The carbs would be fine in my opinion. I think it's going to be hard to get that much protein in and would opt for more fat. Don't be afraid of fat. It's important to avoid transfat but fats that come from things like fatty fish are very healthy.

To be honest I would not use this approach. I know sparkpeople uses it but I don't think it's the best way to eat a healthy diet. I would count my carbs and calories and eat healthy. The rest should fall into place.

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-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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Nobody will be able to tell you what is right or wrong since this is a plan you are attempting to develop for your lifestyle. Because of that, you will have to basically tweak along the way - figuring out by the scale/weight loss if the carb numbers are good (ie you can lose on that). Coming from a South Beach perspective, your food choices sound very similar. We eat beans (some of us do so daily - ie 1/2 cup serving size) because it is a good source of fiber and protein for folks who don't eat meat.

On the numbers, the protein is probably going to be a bit high and not easy to hit. I know I love my protein and there is no way I could meet that. You may want to increase the fat number and lower the protein. Bottom line is you will need to give it a try and see how you do.

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You may want to post on this team and the Living Low Carb team and ask what percentages people are using. I am no expert, but to lose weight on low carb, I must keep my carbs to under 30g. That is just my body. I am also wondering if your protein is too high and fat is too low???? Maybe a website or one of the low carb guru's books would steer you in a good direction. Good luck and I will be monitoring the answers to adjust my intake, if necessary.

If nothing else, your plan seems like a very healthy way to eat! Good luck!

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Can't give you any feed back but I wish you the best of luck! I follow a loose plan myself as I can't seem to follow a very strick one.

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I have invented a plan that i think i can live with. Can you smart carbers take a look at it and see if it is remotely like anything that will work?

I plan on eating 1600 calories per day. I weight 277 lbs

15% or 240 Cals will come from Carbs, that equals 60 grams of carb per day.
45% or 720 Cals will come from Prot., that equals 180 grams of prot. per day.
40% or 640 Cals will come from Fat, that equals 71 grams of fat per day.

Am I too high on the carbs? I am wondering if i've got my percentages right. Also, i plan on eating mostly complex carbs and healthier fats such as Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, and Avocado.
I am planning on having beans, but should i only do those once a week?

Please let me know where it needs work. THANKS!!!

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