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The coconut fragrance does come through, even tho I used lavender/vanilla this time. Next time I'm going to use a tropical fragrance and that will enhance the coconut aroma too I think.

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That sounds amazing EWEFLUFFY!

I'll have to try that. I love it on skin. In fact, I really love the mild coconut aroma, too. But I'll have to consider some kind of fragrance. Hadn't thought of that, really.

Thanks for the tip!

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Exotec, I took one cup of coconut oil, one tsp. of Vitamin E oil, whipped it up with my boat motor (an immersion blender) added a few drops of fragrance pure 100% oil. (Be sure to use the 100% oil). The whipping it makes it fluffy and it stays softer as well and is wonderful for elbows, heels, feet plus just being like a body butter for all over. Love it!!

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Good for you for strategizing your life, and being there and helpful for your family. They're very likely to see benefits in their own health from this lifestyle too!

GREAT advice so far. I heartily second BOOKWYRMB's recommendation for Nora Gedgaudas' book - Primal Body, Primal Mind. Parts of it might scare you a bit (certainly did me!), but it's a most excellent resource. A bit in depth, but very readable and will have you in greater understanding of what we're doing and why.

I also second the suggestion to stick with some structured plan until you have the basic instincts down and can tweak for your own metabolism. It helps to gave a guideline at first.

Exercise is also very personal. For some, they can get nowhere without it, or without certain types. Many of the ancestral plans don't focus primarily on exercise (as we define it), but on activity. Some will promote intense, interval blasts of exercise followed by rest periods just a couple times a week. I am unable, due to other health considerations, to do any kind of exercise at all; I'm lucky to get through the basic activities of daily living. But I've lost 150+ pounds in this lifestyle with no measurable exercise whatsoever. So that's another unique thing to YOU -- you'll have to determine what works best.

I would definitely try to use more coconut oil. EVOO isn't even as good as coconut oil for cooking. I'd try to switch, if you can. Ghee is good, too. I bought my coconut oil through Amazon for some kinda cheap ... I can't remember the brand now. I've got this enormous vat of it! yikes. But the nice thing is that not only do I cook in it, I use it as an emollient, I use it as a conditioner ... I use it for everything. So the cost evens out for me.

If you're looking for good pastured natural foods, there's a website listing all sorts of resources at www.eatwild.com They can direct you to suppliers in your particular area.

Great job so far! Keep working at finding your "sweet spot". It's sort of an adventure.
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I am in total agreement. You have to live each day to the fullest and celebrate good times. We all should be doing that.

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Thank you Morticia. It's not always easy to keep my chin up about my life, but I do the best I can. I am trying really hard not to fall into the trap of negativity. Each day is another gift and another chance at making the right changes/choices for my life. Trying to keep myself focused on the goal!! A happier, healthier me for myself and my family to enjoy!

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I think you are being very prudent to do this, Nancie, with a toddler and a hubby with a chronic condition to deal with. You will need to be 100%.

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Hi Russell!

Well I was losing and then I gained in my 3rd week.. actually a few lbs.. I had to struggle to lose them again and ended up with a total of just a 1lb gain. My scale has been telling me 148 for a few days now...Scale at the gym said 152. I am not disheartened at all, knowing no two scales are alike.. and I know my scale at home has been showing the same thing steadily...

I don't want to just coast in... I want to make a permanent change in my life for so many reasons. I am turning 40 this year. I have 3 kids in various age ranges that I want to keep up with. I have a husband with MS that I want to be able to enjoy the few years of good activity I know we have left together before his life is changed significantly by lack of mobility. We have a 3 yr old son who I am mostly the primary care giver for and I need to be able to keep up with the little bugger.. smiles. I feel pushed to make this change and make it now. Now if I am determined and don't give up.. hopefully I will see it getting done.

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I laugh at thinking I was sore this morning. hahaha.. Ok so I am not in agony but I am sore, which I know is good, However today's workout really showed me how far I have to go. Tony is a great motivationalist and he does not let me wimp out. I did a half hour of weights, we did my weight and measurements there, went over diet and goals, (I have 10lbs to lose by 3/14) and after the weight work I did half hour on the treadmill at 15% incline 20 mph. Ouchies!

We did discuss diet and I think he was shocked that I am in my proper calorie range for weight loss, drinking nothing but water (although he'd love for me to give up my herbal tea in the morning)... and eating lean proteins and healthy veg. He did ask me to consider adding in fruits (specific ones), and nuts, and slowly working in tiny portion of healthy whole grain carbs as we move along. Mostly it sounds like he wants me moving into Stage 2 of Atkins. (fruits and nuts and additional veggies)

The sad part is climbing stairs is a challenge now.. lol. I am going to keep moving so I don't stiffen up! I've got work at 4.. uggh

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It seems to me the scale is moving down, so that is good, and you are not obese, so why not just coast in.

A lot of the foods you eat slow people down a lot.. cheese, artificial sweeteners, muffins ( even low carb ones ), and the salt from pepperoni. However, you are losing weight, and these foods might be keeping you on plan. Even at a lb a week, in 6 months you get down to 120. You are so close, be patient

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Sore is good! Good for you on working with the trainer - I know they can really help get you focused and see some results in those few months.

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I am sure there are plenty of both Morticia... Which is sad.. So far I am happy..which is easy to say.. lol as it's only been a day. I woke up this morning and thought.. Oh No I have to go back again today? haha..

My thighs are a bit sore from the incline and my abs are sore.. uggh. Today is when it all really starts. I am not looking forward to the measurements part. I am keeping myself focused by imagining in a few months what a difference those measurements will be!

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I've always thought it would be cool to see a personal trainer but I have heard there are good ones and bad ones and it sounds like you found a good one.

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I'm sure he didn't want you to get bored. lol Sounds like he's a little like Bob Harper or Dulvett on Biggest Loser.

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Today a trainer did a free strengths and weaknesses assesment. I was surprised I actually had some strengths LOL

After that we discussed setting up a training program designed for my goals. I was really pleased that the trainer knew right away from looking at my posture etc what my problems are (lower back injury and favoring one hip, right knee injured in high school).. That was pretty cool.

Anyways tomorrow I have my first session.. and I'm scared.. haha.. but not really in a bad way. I'm sort of hyper about it too. I think it's the endorphins from the hour I spent on the treadmill. Tony, the trainer lol.. had me do 15 of those minutes at a 15% incline while throwing punches.. oh my!!!

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That sounds like a good plan to me. If they have ellipticals that is also good for cardio. Personally I have to switch up some things because I get bored just doing the treadmill.

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I found out yesterday my gym doesn't include spin classes in it's membership. GRR!! Seems like all the local gyms follow that philosophy.

So today once my little man is off to preschool I am heading over for treadmill time. My husband who has MS was once a professional boxer for 15 yrs. He suggested I start with just cardio for two weeks (his plan as well as he has not been to the gym since his diagnosis 7 1/2 yrs ago)...before we start back into the weights.

So that's the plan.. Just get myself moving regularly once again..

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I always wanted to try a spin class. I received an elliptical for Christmas so I quit my gym, but they didn't have any classes available.

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Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on this..

I have been doing light weight cardio at home. I do notice when I do heavy cardio I lose a lot faster, so I bit the bullet with my husband this weekend and joined a new gym. Tomorrow morning will be my first spin class. I am praying to survive it! lol

The gym is much more my husband's style of gym although they do have a women's section and they include all their classes in their $10 a month membership fee. It's not a meat market type place which makes me happy as I avoid most chain type gyms as they end up being places for people to gawk at one another instead of going to work out. This one is definitely a guys kinda gym... bare bones, minimalistic but tons of great classes including yoga (want to find one or two of those to work into my schedule too), Zumba (hahah I'm too much of a klutz), spin, and kickboxing (I am really interesting in trying this although scared.. ironic I am going to try spin first as I've heard horror stories hehe about spin classes)...

Anyways you can tell I am excited. Hopefully it will be the extra boost I need to really start seeing results!! Now to just stay motivated.. and to be able to move the day after my first class! haha

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I assume that you do strength training and cardio. Since I'm older I've found that I need a minimum of an hour a day of exercise to lose weight and 2 if I'm serious. A half an hour is really not adequate in my opinion because people overestimate the calories they burn. They say it is 80% diet and 20% exercise but for some people like me that isn't true. I won't lose a pound without a lot of exercise.

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It's all about finding what works for us as individuals..sighs.. I didn't really yo you diet at all.. I have tried Atkins and WW and that's been it... but I was one of those people who refused to eat out of having some sort of whacky sense of control when I was in my early 20's.. and I know I damaged my metabolism from doing that. That's why I am convinced just going low calorie won't work for me.. My body has been there before... It knows.. hey she's ready to shut down on us again.. and goes into save save save the fat cells! lol

We will see how the next few days go.. I lost 1lb from yesterday until today.. If I can keep losing then this is hopefully the answer..if not.. it will be time to regroup and readdress...

fun fun fun.. Thanks for the feedback Morticia.. I really appreciate how helpful this team is!!

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There are a lot of variables in successful weight loss and each person is unique. You will have to find what works for you. If you haven't abused your body for years with tons of different diets, diet pills, weight loss surgery, etc. then your chances of success are much greater without having to resort to extraordinary means. Yo-yo dieting causes a lot of problems.

I tried 6 meals a day and it didn't work for me at all but I was thin my entire life until after menopause and only ate once or twice a day and not in a gorging manner either. LOL. I wasn't hungry when I was younger and was very active. I was always on a low sodium, low fat, low cholesterol when I was younger due to high blood pressure but this diet didn't work at all for me and I don't know that these diets work for anyone who is thin. I've never encountered anyone that it has. Some of the ease of your weight loss has to do with body type.

Personally, I have to keep my protein up because my metabolism has always been more like a man's and I'm very muscular. When I try to seriously lose weight it usually comes off pretty fast for me.

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Fasting may not be for you. You are the expert on what your body is requiring of you.

The theory behind it is that you are NOT going to put your body into starvation mode if you keep your calories up to a healthful level. If you do get hungry between meals, a dose of coconut oil keeps your energy and metabolism up and supplies calories without giving your leptin and insulin a chance to oversupply and thus, to dampen that metabolism.

I did find this video on the subject from a gal who always promoted (and still recommends highly for those who prefer it) 6 meals a day.

http://www.beyonddiet.com/Members/Articl
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LMAO for pet use only.. All too familar with that. I have to check and see if things have changed but I think MA has that rule as well. Hmm I think my cats and dog need some unpasteurized goats milk asap! lol

Interesting info on the skipping meals if you will.. aka fasting. As I was once far too thin in my life (college days).. using the skipping meals routine more as a means of control, I felt that I blew my chance at dieting again for the rest of my life because my body easily slips into starvation mode. I feel that is the reason why low carb is what is best suited for me...because it is changing the focus of my metabolism rather than simply cutting calories which takes my body back to the days I starved it and just shuts it all down.

I'll have to see how things go. I am definitely bringing my coconut oil to work tonight!! Thanks for all the great info!

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Try adding more fat to a later lunch to see if that postpones your dinner hour a little. If not, and if it is possible, just have your dinner at four if that is when you are hungry. Have your coconut tea later in the evening, maybe having it even again if you feel the need for something.

The reason I am saying this is that Leptin resistance is decreased with longer periods between meals, the ideal being suggested is 5 or 6 hours with no snacks (except just fat and water/herbal tea). Leptin is the hormone that seems to regulate ALL the other hormones, including insulin and thyroid. When we are overweight, it is a good bet we are leptin resistant.

Intermittent fasting (going 5-6 hours between protein and carb intake or even skipping meals) is not only supposed to normalize leptin, but also to increase longevity. Eighteen hour daily fasts (after supper on one day to lunch the next day, for instance) is said to contribute to greater longevity and a great weight normalizer. This is something you do after you are no longer a sugar burner and meals can be missed without discomfort.

I am telling you this, not to persuade you to do any of it, but to let you know that it is possible to break the "regular three square meals a day" or "Six small meals a day" routine and not be in violation of all that is good for your metabolism. It is fairly new research and I am excited about it. The extra fat in our diets keeps us from going into "starvation mode" as long as our total calories are not too low and we do not have excess carbs to burn.

I drink raw cow's milk. I buy it from a local mom whose children show dairy cows (Jersey). In Florida, we can legally buy raw dairy "For Pet Use Only". :-)

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I honestly think that if I had brought my coconut oil with me to work with some tea last night I wouldn't have felt so desperate for that snack in the evening when I got home.. sighs.

I am also finding it hard to follow a normal meal schedule.. meaning I don't get hungry by lunch time, but I am hungry not that far after my lunch time meal.. If I eat at say 1.. when I am finally hungry for lunch.. I find I want to eat around 4pm when I get to work... It's definitely different!!

Where do you buy your raw milk?? And do you drink raw cow's or goats milk? MASS makes it near to impossible to buy off the farm.. I am thinking of shopping around for farm shares if possible and if not outrageously expensive.

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LOL. Sounds like a real workout, for sure.

When I drink milk it is raw milk. I use it to make my smoothie most mornings. I will not touch the pasteurized. It makes people sick, causes allergies where none need be, and I think, may have something to do with why people are coming down with wheat allergies (casein and gluten are similar) more and more (that, and the fact that it is difficult to find wheat that is not GMO, with greatly increased amounts of gluten). I also use raw heavy cream and make my own butter some of the time from the raw cream. When I don't make my own, I buy the Kerrygold.

Don't worry overmuch about immediately cutting out the snacking. Eventually, when your body is accustomed to fueling on fat instead of glucose from carbs, you will find yourself forgetting to eat a snack when you get busy. That is when you can cut out your snack food.

Meantime, drink your tea with coconut oil 20 minutes before your snack instead of before your meals and see if, in 20 minutes, you still need the snack. You may, but possibly you may not.

I used to PANIC and get very irritable if I didn't have my snacks and meals on time. So, I know what you mean by not imagining doing without the snack. You will get there, though. Just be watching for it, so you are not snacking from habit instead of need. It will surprise you!

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Oops just saw the rest of your post.. sighs.. I can't imagine three meals a day without snacks..ouch... Thanks for reviewing my nutrition tracker.. I really appreciate that!

Curious on your take on pasturization.. Years ago I farmed and I tell you I only drank unpastuerized goats milk.. I was at my healthiest then. I really believe we do a tune on ourselves killing our natural gut bacteria with our need to pasteurize everything in order for it to maintain shelf life. I miss farming for that one reason.. well that and the fact I was in tip top shape from lugging grain,mucking stalls and hauling hay! lol

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I seem to fluctuate every day by several lbs... Typically a 2-3lbs change daily, however this past week I went from 147 to 152, then down again to 150...this morning 149.6. Like I said.. I need to forget about the scale for a while. I am planning on taking my measurements later.. and for now am off to go work out. Trying not to get hung up on not seeing a decrease from the 147lb mark.

Hope you have a great day Sharon!!

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That has to be pretty significant to see an overnight result! Way to go, Gal!

I checked your food tracker for yesterday. I think adding butter to the veggies would probably get your calories up where you want them and balance out your proteins nicely.

The only other change I can see is to eliminate the food as snacks. Use the tea with coconut oil and depend on that for keeping your hunger at bay. You might not be ready to do that yet, so just be aware that as soon as you can comfortably do that, it would help a lot in getting you where you would like to be on protein intake. Be sure to add the butter to those veggies, however, at meal time. If you don't like butter, you might try melting a hard cheese on them. You could experiment with doing both. Butter should at least be organic and in a perfect world, from cows who are pastured. Kerrygold is a good brand.

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Well I came home last night and had a snack of a deviled egg and then added my coconut oil into tea before bed. Scale this morning showed a decrease but then that is after I increased a few lbs.. Like I said I find it interesting to be keeping my carbs in place (yesterday's net was 17 for the day).... I am going to keep with this version of watching my protein amount for a full week plus...starting yesterday through a week from Sunday. Can't imagine my body will begin to immediately adjust to burning fat overnight.. so it will take time.

Morticia can you please tell me more about metabolic resistance??? Why is it that when you read diet books you hardly ever hear of what happens if a plan doesn't work? lol

I am definitely not discouraged at all.. I know I can see a change in my body... emoticon

Anyone who wouldn't mind reviewing my nutrition tracker would be very appreciated. I am trying to really focus now on reaching my caloric intake for the day (some days I ate too little)... watching the amount of protein and balancing the level of fats. Feel like I need to be a rocket scientist lol

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Since you are on Atkins if you get to where you can't lose you may be really metabolically resistant and could try the fat fast.

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Remember not to get too caught up on an average protein requirement. We don't know what your magic number is until you start from where you were, and systematically reduce by just one ounce from only one meal, using this as the norm for one week, then analyzing the result.
We don't know if your proteins are too high yet, though, because you have not yet completed the self-experiment. Your protein requirement may be way off from the average. Appetite is a good guide, but the appetite will lie to you if you do not supply it with enough fat so it can relax, deciding that there is no famine. I think you are definitely going and may already well be in the right direction!
Your meal plan sounds great, to me, by the way. Whether it is in excess of any of your needs is unknown until the experiment is complete.
I am afraid I don't know what a MIM is that you have for breakfast, though. LOL. I probably should be able to figure it out, but I am getting nothing.

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Hi Sharon.. so I am not quite finished with my days food intake, but since I know my dinner choice (making it now to take to work with me) I can tell you I will be going just over my protein grams according to Spark's Nutrtion tracker.. uggh..

That's with.. a MIM for bfast with butter
heavy whipping cream in my coffee
2 tablespoons of coconut oil
3 oz of scallops with 1 cup of broccoli for lunch
1 deviled egg for snack
and dinner will be 3 oz of chicken with 1 cup of broccoli (just easy since I made a bunch this morning).. I do find sometimes I make boring meals cuz I am the only one eating this way.. Well not boring but duplicated...

2 mugs of herbal tea and so far 6 glasses of water which will end up at about 10 by the end of the night.



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Congratulations on your successful weight losses. You are doing great!

And I LOVE me some of those scallops and broccoli! YUM! Right! Who could possibly complain about all that?

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Hi Kierae and thank you for the welcome!!

I should clarify.. I tend to just jump into things and with my spotty brain this morning didn't really make myself clear. Weight loss programs I have tried two things in life... The first time I really lost weight was due to massive amounts of stress, combined with healthy eating (lived on a farm), and lots and lots of physical work (that never felt like working out.. which always seems to work best for me).

The next time it was a combination of Atkins and then WW because my husband joined WW and wanted me to do it with him. I never liked WW because I felt deprived. Ironic all those glorious fake food choices but to me it was like I knew I was eating false..and how could all that stuff be good for me? Hub lost weight fabulous, never felt cheated, kept the house stocked with all those WW fake goodies (ice creams, brownies, cookies, carrot cakes etc).. uggh.

Atkins worked again for me this past year until I reach this level where I just seem to plateau.. and that's where I am nervous about being right now. While I have read all the other diet books (trying to figure out what was the difference between the various low carb plans and what would work for me).. I stuck with Atkins.. I knew it for the most part (or thought I did.. really got a better grip on it the last time around.. )....Last year I went from 189lbs to 147 which is where I am right now... I put back on about 9lbs over the holidays and since I began induction lost that.

So here I am in week 3 of induction and I see that week one was 7lbs and week 2 automatically dropped to 2lbs and I was fighting for those 2lbs. Same thing happened to me last year.. I tanked out at 147... and it was discouraging... I am back at it again, trying to find out more, see if there isn't something else I can add to it, or find out if anything I am doing is just wrong??!!

I love Atkins and can see myself eating this way for life. Who can complain when lunch is sauteed scallops in olive oil with a side of broccoli and butter? YUM!!

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Primal Blueprint rocks! In the same vein is Nora Gedgaudas with her Primal Body, Primal Mind. Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes and Food Rules by Catherine Shanahan (be sure to get the one by Shanahan; the other one by the same title is horrible!) are also good reads. There is a Primal Blueprint cookbook that gives primal recipes to replace staples like mayonnaise and ketchup, bar-b-que sauce, cream soups, etc. Plus, some of the recipes on the Whole Lifestyle Nutrition site are good, too. She has a recipe to replace canned concentrated cream of mushroom and cream of chicken soups that can be used to make healthy versions of old recipes you may love to use.
About the affordability: shop road side vegetable stands or local farmers' markets for produce. Cheap forms of proteins that are wild caught are sardines and canned wild-caught sockeye salmon. If you cannot afford organic, grassfed meat, then eat conventional, but get the leanest possible. Even expensive eggs are a cheaper source of protein. Don't get penny wise and pound foolish. Spluge on yard eggs from a local, non-commercial source (ask around; keep your eyes open for little home-made signs). When you are reducing your protein grams, you can afford better quality protein.
I don't use steaks, chops and roasts very often, so what I would spend on them, I put into quality ground beef. I get mine from a farm in Virginia who ships to the whole eastern US. They are online at tendergrassfarm.com. I get ground beef in vacuum-sealed frozen one-pound packages on dry ice for $7.99/lb (free shipping for minimum orders of $150). I don't spend much on supplements, because I feel I am eating my nutrients in a most digestible form from these well treated animals. I do not have health problems at the age of 70 with a previous diagnosis of diabetes and melanoma. I am on NO medications. My diet is my health insurance (but I do carry health insurance to take care of the possible accidents! LOL), so I am saving money all the way around. I am also saving in the grocery store. I do not buy crackers, cereal, frozen dinners, dinners or meals in a box or package of any kind, no mixes, few condiments, no vegetable oils or shortening. Many of us who have been doing this a while can tell you that we are actually saving money overall in providing for our families while spending more for our special items of humanely treated, pastured animals and animal products. The local economy will also benefit when we take our produce shopping to the farmers instead of the chains who import everything from an average of 1500 miles away. Think of the packaging and transportation costs you are paying for. You can get better, fresher produce within a few miles of your home. It does not have to be certified organic. You can just talk to the farmers and find the ones who are not using pesticides and herbicides, but are unable to afford the "organic" certification process. It seems counter intuitive, but the least expensive is not always the cheapest.
Keep your questions coming. I bet a lot of people would like to know what you are asking.

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Welcome to the team! It sounds like you are on the right track but you may want to pick a program and stick to it while learning more of what your body can tolerate. Then you can start "adjusting/incorporating" elements of other programs if you wish. Coming from a South Beach perspective, it is focused on sugar free, whole grains, lower glycemic fruits & veggies, beans, lean meats and lowfat/fat free dairy. The carb focus isn't so much a number as the quality (ie whole sources versus processed or high glycemic ones that can cause blood sugar spiking). Primal/paleo & the variations - similar to South Beach except it doesn't encourage all the sugar free items you see in SB (to be honest). Atkins focuses more on carb numbers and encourages a higher fat. So you can see just between those three there are some wide variations but yet similarities. So each of us have to figure out what we can do in our household - what can we do for a lifetime.

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Alrighty so what books would you recommend I purchase to help me navigate a bit more on this journey. I have a few Atkins books, Have been have not read SouthBeach and have and have read through Primal BluePrint. (btw would love to eat the way he suggests if I could afford it)...

And thank you so much for explaining that. I know I need more resources. I am over tired today..debating nap or workout right now.. Little one just went off to preschool, I should really try to nap (he's been up sick the past few nights and I work late, so between the two averaging about 4 hours of sleep each night yuck!)

Just feel like I have absolute sludge for a brain right now.

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Oh, my! NO! With 3 ounces (85 grams) of a protein-rich food, such as, say... trout, you will get 19.5 grams of protein and 4.9 grams fat, plus some non-nutrients that are not given. You cannot do a straight conversion from ounces of meat to grams of protein, because of the nature of the food; it is not pure protein. You have cell membranes, ligaments, fat, etc. The only way to keep track of protein grams is to track it on a nutritional tracker such as here on Spark People.

Glad you got your coconut oil. Yes, I am afraid the locals charge way too much for it.

My sister makes homemade soap and coconut oil was always one of her main ingredients. I think she said, though, that it was not food grade (more affordable, I guess, and not necessary for soap).

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Ok so forgive me as I am feeling really foolish here..but doing an grams to ounces conversion 51 grams of protein puts me at about 1.79 ounces of protein for the entire day???? I am definitely lost on that one.

Thanks for the tips on where to get coconut oil online. I used to make soap back in the day and am looking forward to restarting my little cottage industry again this year. All my sources were listed on a computer several years ago and I have nothing left. So that's a great tip for me!! I always used coconut oil in my soaps

Hub went out and paid through the nose yesterday for a jar.. $8.. not sure how many ounces, but basically spaghetti sauce size jar. I plan to start today.

Thx again.. Going to try cutting two meals down to 3 oz of protein.. had a MIM for breakfast with butter and my coffee with heavy creamer emoticon

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Thanks so much for the warm welcome!!

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I am so glad you found this helpful! I did, too, when I found out this stuff!
The cheapest place I know to get quality coconut oil is at Vitacost.com. They have sales very frequently and free shipping for a minimum order of ...$50? I think! ( I get 12 (54 oz) jars at one time when it is a really good sale.) You can also get it at a much higher price at your grocers, in their health food section or at the neighborhood health food store. There are two kinds: Organic virgin and expeller pressed. The organic virgin oil smells and tastes slightly of coconuts. I love it that way, but at first, I did not like it at all. We do learn to love it though, because the body begins to recognize that taste and associates it with the benefits. This kind is the best, but the refined, expeller expressed coconut oil is good for you, too, and has no fragrance or taste of coconuts and is good for cooking things that you do not want to taste of coconuts. The virgin, unrefined organic oil can be melted into tea, or melted and then used in smoothies with stevia and whey concentrate or gelatine as a meal replacement.
Your protein requirements: take your ideal weight in kilograms or HALF your ideal weight in pounds and multiply by 0.8. That will give you approximately 50-51 grams per day of protein for an ideal weight of 125. We tend to overdo protein quite a bit in our abundant society. But this is just a general idea. It applies only to the average person and there is no such thing as an average person. You must find YOUR perfect balance. If you will just start where you are and reduce by only the one ounce for that one daily meal (supper is the best to change first, maybe lunch, but not breakfast until your experiment is finished) and see the effect after a week before you try it with another meal, you will find YOUR perfect weight-loss-but safe-maintenance-and-repair protein requirements.

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WOW I can only say thank you so much! I haven't read this yet and yet I have been left wondering if I needed to drop my protein level down. This makes sense. It seems that when I drop calories, I am more often than not dropping my protein level and I notice I am losing, yet I am maintaining my carb level. I haven't liked the fact though that that one or two days a week where I am going low cal (again it would be due to lowering my protein amounts for the most part).. the caloric intake is just too low for my comfort and I am left feeling hungry. I don't want to starve myself for this to work and it seems so anti Atkins. Atkins has never been a license to eat.. I have so much healthier portion size knowledge now than ever in my life...

Where can you get coconut oil? Any store? I am going to ask Hubby to pick some up tonight...

So if my ideal weight is 125.. then I am looking at 200 grams of protein? Is that the amount I should aim for in my one reduced meal?

I am 5'2" tall and heck would be happy with 130lbs.. am currently 147. I am so excited to give this a try. Thank you so very much for the info!!

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Your food choices sound really good. However, if your weight loss slows down to under two pounds/week, then you might want to give consideration to something I have observed about women on low carb diets. We tend to think that we should go on the same kind of low carb regimen that works so well for our men. And that does work for many women! But so many of us have cut the carbs down to the bone and still stall. I finally did enough reading and experimented on my own metabolism and found an answer that helped me break my plateau. Add coconut oil! And slightly reduce your protein grams. Dr. Bernstein explains that we often tend to satiate our appetites on low carb by going high protein instead of higher fat. However, active (but non-pregnant) women do not need as much protein as active men do. Protein in excess of that needed for maintenance and repair is turned to glucose, which turns out to be the same for our metabolism as eating sugar, it just takes longer to hit the blood stream. He suggests about 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram or 1/2 of your ideal weight in pounds per day. But it differs. To find your needed level, start where you are with your protein servings (keep your carb levels low - under 30 g/day) and for only one meal a day, reduce by one ounce the amount of meat/poultry/fish you eat. Leave the other meals the same as they are for one week, but that one meal every day is say, at 3 ounces instead of the 4 you might usually have. At the end of the week, weigh. If you have increased your weight loss to two pounds/week, then use that same formula as long as it continues to work. If your weight loss is not at that two pound mark, then do the same thing with another meal. Make up the calories lost and increase your satiety level by adding fat grams to your diet. Fat never burns as sugar and dietary fat trains your body, so to speak, to become a fat burner rather than a sugar burner. That is what you want so it will burn your stored fat instead of signalling you every two hours that it needs more sugar. Coconut oil is remarkable in switching your body in the scarcity of cabs to fat burning. You can melt a tablespoon full of it into a cup of hot herbal tea and sip it any time you are hungry and especially about 20 minutes before each meal.
Hope it works for you as well as it has for so many of the rest of us.
I might add that you may want to slowly build to the full tablespoon per cup of tea. It can have a laxative effect at first. After you build it up slowly, though, you can add up to six tablespoons a day. Four is more usual.

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Hello Everyone.. First I am new to the team. This team seems to be pretty active so I am excited and hoped I could ask a question here.

I am in my 3rd week of Induction. I am keeping to my net carb of 20 per day sometimes less depending upon what is available in the fridge. I try to stock my fridge each week with nummy protein options and foundation veggies with a treat here and there. (induction approved treats that is).

So week 1 was fabulous.. 7lbs! Week 2.. I was fairly sure was going to move to a snails pace. Seems like this is always the way with me. I ended up with 2lbs.. but during that week I noticed an up down up down.. I could tell by hopping on the scale once, but overall by my body and how my clothes were fitting. Now here I am in week three and I am seeing the same thing. Wondering if I am even going to lose 1lb this week.

Any ideas?
Here is a typical day's menu for me...
Breakfast MIM or 1 egg fried, 3 slices of bacon, or two hard boiled eggs 1 cup coffee with pure stevia (not stevia raw.. the pure stuff that is uber concentrated), and 1 fl oz of heavy cream.

lunch - 5 oz of lean protein.. pork, chicken are my usuals,although I do add in seafood fairly regularly and sometimes steak. 1/2 cup broccolli, or a few small pieces of fresh asparagus sauted in olive oil, or half cup cauliflower or 1 cup peeled cucumber.

Snacks - jello is fairly regular. babybel cheese, or or two rounds. 1/2 cup cucumber (depending on where my net veg carbs are for the day), thin sliced pepperoni on the occassion, and about once a week I'll splurge with the Atkins chocolate mint mousse recipe.

Dinner.. again 5 oz of lean protein.. usually mixed with a cup of lettuce, diced cucumbers (again all to my net carb allottment for the day of 12-15 from foundation veggies) or another suitable veg.

I am drinking minimum 8 glasses of water per day, some days up to about 16 depending upon if I am working. As I am on the phone all night I tend to keep water by me.. just helps with talking all night long answering calls.

This week I did start adding in Leslie Sansone dvds.. I plan to do them a few times per week.. 1/2 hour each time. Hoping to hit about 4 days per week.

Curious.. I love living low carb and believe this is the way for me to go. I don't feel sluggish.. I have had success with it in the past.. I'm just wondering if anyone else notices this slow pace of weight loss while in Induction?

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