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Thought I'd better jump back into the discussion... The one problem I have is most hard core low carbers insist on the induction period and then staying under 30 grams of carbs a day. I simply can't go that low. I average between 45-150 grams a day compared to my old way which would allow over 300 grams of carbs. So to my way of thinking, I'm doing well because I've cut my carbs down by half, and even more than that most days. Like today, I only had 1067 calories but 146 carbs grams. My fat grams were 30 and my protein 57 grams. And I kept my sodium at 1252 grams, which is great for me. But I know a lot of people would say with that many carbs, I'm not really doing low carb. I'm working to go lower but I can't just cut down to 20 grams or less overnight. I honestly feel that right now the way I'm doing things work best for me. But I'm open to suggestions.

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Hi Mona, Nice to "meet" you! Hope we see you on here often.. Join in with the discussions. So much helpful information from our team members. I've learned so much.

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gee i wondered how you all where doing ? . its a hard walk to do .

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Yes, you have the induction flu. LOL. Drink lots of water - it helps.

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Hi everyone! Just joined this team and going to work my way through. These posts are all very interesting and helpful.

I am a horrible carb junkie and after losing 99 pounds with Jenny Craig I have managed to gain 40 of it back. Time to STOP!!!

I am working at doing 100 or less carbs a day. I am amazed at the low numbers of some of you~~WTG!! I am feeling kind of yukky after two days so I think I am detoxing some of the sugars in my system. (Is this the induction flu?) :)

Have a great day everyone~~by the way, my name is Mona and I know some of you and I am looking forward to meeting the others.
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We want everyone to feel included. I love Atkins but could never do it myself but I admire people who do. We all just have to do the best we can.

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Thanks for that encouraging reminder Morticia. Even though I try for 20 to 40 carbs a day, when I do go over it isn't cake, cookies, or candy. Just like you said it is a good carb. That makes me feel better. : )

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I totally agree. Vicki must be busy right now but she kind of follows her own plan like a lot of our members do. We encourage that. We actually have lot of members in the 60-200 range, especially those on South Beach, Sonoma, Sugar Busters, etc. and many of them do really well. I can have anything up to 150gms net carbs on my plan. We welcome people on all diets who are choosing healthy carbs as opposed to traditional cake, candy, cookies, doughnuts, etc .

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-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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I love fish too! Even some of the fast-food places are offering grilled fish now, so I feel I can "splurge" and fast-food it occasionally. I've been off that routine for a couple years, otherwise. It's a nice change. I also always have a bag of big pre-cooked shrimp in the freezer: I pull out half a dozen and defrost them in a cup of water and snack on them like candy. Yum!

@TSVL-VICKI: I feel your original range of 60-200 is too high, especially when starting out. My impression of the induction phase is that you're shocking or alerting your metabolism to change. From things I've read, so long as you're still providing calories from the sources you've been accustomed, your body is still going to try to use those calories for fuel. It's only when you cease to provide them that it looks for other sources. So, even if you're reducing your carbs, if there are still any to scavenge, your metabolism is going to burn those preferentially even if you're providing other sources, and that can lead to some type of "starvation mode", because you're still storing the fats that you should be burning. When you deprive your body of carbs, it has little alternative but to begin to use the fats (which is what we're genetically programmed to burn anyway). When you make that conversion, "induction", and you've become a fat-burner again, then you can offer some carbs in limitation. That's just my conception of the plan; I'm no doctor or dietitian!

When I began, on my endocrinologist's nutritional plan, he said no more than 30-50 grams per day. As you've seen, that is a really difficult number to achieve! It was definitely a struggle for me. I luckily didn't have much of what is commonly referred to as "induction flu", although I did have a few days of malaise. But it works; I've lost a LOT of weight, and although it's slowed down now, I'm still losing. In the last six months or so I've relaxed my carb limitation a little bit. First I let myself creep up into the higher range of that 30-50. That worked fine, so I let it "creep" a bit more. I try to keep at least less than 100 now. I find that if I get toward the upper end of that, progress is noticeably less. So I keep less than 100 in all instances I can, and if I can stay to the lower end of the 50 I'm better off. The biggest thing that's helped me is to be sure I keep the fats high. I struggle with eating enough protein, but the fats are keeping hunger at bay. I have nearly no cravings for anything anymore, and lately I've been having trouble eating ENOUGH. Believe it or not. I only eat one whole meal a day, and I have to "push" that, many times.

As others have mentioned, this is an individualized nutritional regime. You have to learn to listen to your body and devise what works best for you. We can all provide what's worked for each of us as guidelines and things to try for yourself, but it still comes down to applying the specifics and monitoring how it works for you. You have to measure that by how it works, and not just what you like, though! lol It takes a little while to find your "sweet spot". But don't give up, you will find your niche and then you'll be off and running. It will work - trust me!
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I need to eat more fish. I really love it, just forget about it. I fix it very simply with butter and garlic, with a tad of lemon juice.

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I added plenty of fresh veggies and fruit. I eat very little meat other than chicken and fish emoticon emoticon

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I eat veggies, nuts, seeds, cheese, and dairy at this point. Really working on my blood sugar to come down. Luckily I love meat, and the other foods compliment it very well.

Some of my more easy, flavorful favorites are below, maybe it is something you haven't had before:

Onions and Mushrooms cooked in butter or olive oil.
Cream cheese and Rotel mixed together to make a veggie dip.
Greenbeans cooked with bacon and onion.
Cottage cheese with a little spaghetti sauce.
Sliced tomatoes with melted cheddar cheese on top.

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Mine come from veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds, cheese, and dairy. I eat very few grains, only non-glutinous, minimally processed ones. Grains are highly over rated in my opinion. Quinoa to me is the best of the lot.

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How are you all getting your crbs. I run around 70-80 a day and this is from fruits and veggies. I have not introduced grains like quinoa and oatmeal and sprouted grains yet, any tips on foods with low carbs kind of bored with my current eating plan.

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I lost a lot of my weight by giving up eating out. The food, regardless of how it is prepared, is often of poor quality. Now that I eat at home I can tell the difference in a good home cooked burger from the ones you get when eating out. Mine are moist but not greasy or dry or spongy or gray and they taste like beef and not toppings and buns. They recommend that we eat burgers without the bun when we have to eat out and when I do I always ask myself. "What is this stuff? It is supposed to be beef!" They put fillers in it like "pink stuff". It may be 100% beef but not the quality I eat.

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I can't seem to eat out without adding a lot of calories and carbs. They just put so much extra stuff in the recipes. Since I have stopped eating out a lot staying in my calorie range and carb range has gotten a lot easier.

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I try to stay under 50 reg. and then get as much fiber as i can . We need 25-30 gr. of fiber and that's what i find hard to do without supplements. Which don't give that much for the $$ spent. Stir frys are next on my list of meals to see if that helps me. I just can't lose and i'm walking 2-4 miles a day. Trying to stay on 1000-1200 calories a day. if you burn 500(which not sure if i do, walking doesn't do that much) and cut 500 calories i "should lose 2 lbs a week, but i don't. I track everything. emoticon well not my bd cake yesterday(didn't know i was getting one) but had 1 pc(pretty big though) and then didn't have the yogurt i planned to have. I know it's not healthy but unless i cut to 500 calories a day for a week to jump start a loss i will not lose 1 lb a week. So i may do that for the next 4 days or so and see what happens. I did it a few months ago and it worked..........then i messed it up at the holidays.



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Great range!!

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My carb range is 20 to 40. Most days I don't go that high though.

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I agree with Russell that is is important to find one's carb tolerance in some way.

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I would start at the higher range, and then if you don't lose for 2 weeks, drop 10 g of carbs a week till you see progress, then drop 5 a week till it is what you want. That way, you can have the most carbs you can have, while losing steadily. Also this will help you have control. A range of 25-125 is too large. Try to find a limit of where you lose 2 lbs a week, and 10 up is the top of your range, and 10 down is the bottom.. like 60-80, or 90-110.

You can have a range of 25-125.. eat 30 g for 3 days, and lose 4 lbs, then 3 more days at 125 g, and gain weight, mabe the original 4. You need to narrow this down. Plus, why would you want to eat 25 g a day, when you can eat 70??

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I usually stay in that range and it gives you lots of options.

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Vicki, Sometimes we have to go through a trial and error to see what works for us. You'll come to a carb amount that you can be comfortable with and lose weight.

I think some are more sensitive to some carbs than others, like Bearclaw - says he can't eat nuts and nuts don't bother me (tho I don't eat more than one ounce per day - I measure them out and nibble at them throughout the day as a snack.

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I think I'm going to try and stay between 20 grams and 125 grams for now. That's 75 less grams than I had been allowing myself.



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If you are losing on 113 g of carbs, that is fine.. no hurry. If not, replace one carb with a protein, or fat.

I find it good to have a stir fry of meat and veggie as a meal is helpful, especially to get in the veggies. Another thing may be that you need to spread out the carbs, which is just as important as limiting them.

I found out through trial and error that I cant have nuts, SF food, any dairy besides low lactose cheese, or wheat. I can go overboard on carbs, but if they are from those foods, it throws my whole diet off track. So types of carbs is important too.

Good luck figuring things out. Hope the # of carbs you can lose on is high, so you have more variety.

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Right now I'd find it really difficult to go that low on a regular basis. Just like todays menu will end up being 113 grams carb, but 96 grams protein.



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I try and keep my carbs to about 30 per day - a MAX of 40. And I make sure I have enough protein too, at least 90 grams daily..

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Thanks everyone. I guess I need to think more of how I can cut my carbs down to at least the 60 grams a day.



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I did phase one South Beach and lost 10 pounds. I've read a lot and most experts say it is difficult for people to lose above 150net carbs and some say 120gms net carbs. I tend to agree with that in most people. That being said the key is consistency. You won't lose if you don't stick with it and if you are constantly changing diets all the time your system will respond accordingly. 60gms should cause weight loss unless your have a very low carb tolerance due to yo-yo dieting and severe metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance.

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I basically had the same numbers as Grapevine on South Beach. Rarely do I hit over 150 (ie special occasions only). You have to figure out what you can tolerate and lose and that number may need to be adjusted as you lose.

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I am a diabetic and my doctor wants me to keep my carbs at 20 or less per day. I can tell you that is pretty hard to do. Although it can be done. I really try to stay under 50 a day and find that I can lose weight with that number for now. I'm sure I'll have to critique that number later on.



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On Phase 1 of South Beach, I end up with 75 or below. On Phase 1.5 I try to stay below 125.

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I never did any specific low carb diet and as a result never did any induction phase. I slowly reduced the amount of carbs I took in, over the course of several months, based on what they were doing to my blood sugar. The result was a 65lb loss over 6 or so months and 2 years of keeping it off.

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I know most low carb books stress the induction period and I just find that extremely difficult to do. I was wondering if all of you did the induction phase and what your average carb allowance is daily now. I have mine set between 60 grams and 200 grams. Normally I'd eat well over 300 grams so I feel this is a good leeway for me. But can the rest of you lose on that alloitment or do you feel I really need to cut it more? I really need some input here. Thanks




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