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12/12/11 9:26 P

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I love cheese and nuts. I could eat my weight in them.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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12/12/11 1:38 A

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I try and keep cheese to less than an ounce a day and sometimes don't have any for several days. I could eat cheese all day long, but have learned not to, because too much of it does stall me.



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12/11/11 5:41 P

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It's nice when you find a doctor that is on the same page as you are.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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12/11/11 3:00 P

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Hi. I'm new but wanted to comment on the doctor recommendations.

My doctor not only recommended South Beach to me, she did it herself to lose close to 100lbs and gain fertility. Looking at her, you would never have thought she had a weight issue, such a tiny thing. And now has two children because of the weight loss.

She is my inspiration.

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MORTICIAADDAMS's Photo MORTICIAADDAMS SparkPoints: (280,554)
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Good advice about the cheese. I've seen it stall lots of people.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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12/10/11 9:25 P

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I finally have a dr. that says, "evidence is showing that low carb way of eating DOES work" and the only negative she said was "watch the cheese". Well, I do that anyhow...

My last dr. called low carb "hog wash"!!

Betty

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TODAY IS THE TOMORROW YOU WORRIED ABOUT YESTERDAY. GET ON WITH IT!!

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12/10/11 11:20 A

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It is heartening to know that some doctors are independent thinkers and take time to read relevant research. It is, in many cases, doctors who are writing some of the low Carb books. Dr
Catherine Shanahan is one who comes to mind as is the Wheat Belly author Williams.

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12/10/11 9:20 A

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My Dr. last year, who was 45-50, told me "carbs are not your friend." That was in New York.

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12/9/11 10:47 P

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I can remember when I worked as a nurse and a local younger M.D. was putting his patients on a low carb diet and the other M.D.s labeled him as a kook and talked about how his patients would drop like flies. Now many of them are privately recommending the same diets but they don't want to be on the record for it.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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12/5/11 2:25 P

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I really think that they will never support low carb here on Spark , for insurance reasons. It is much easier to support the SAD. Never mnd that it is causing an obesity epidemic, diabetes at 30, heart problems, cancer, and a huge list of other maladies. The important thing is you can't be sued for suggesting it.

It seems that more and more people are trying low carb, and seeing results. Younger doctors are hesitantly courting the idea, especially after seeing the bloodwork of their low carb patients.Almost every single person I see with 75 lbs lost or 100 lbs lost is on a restricted carb diet of some sort. Eventually the truth will come out, and low carb will be the norm.

Having gotten of my diabetes meds with low carb, I am shocked to listen to ideas about the "diabetic diet", but ideas take time to change, and until they are provided legal cover, with proof that low carb is not dangerous, and become accepted, Spark will continue to push the " one true diet"..lol.

I do believe that they do it out of fear of harming anyone, not for monetary reasons. Great stories of "losers" will be the thing that makes people change, not any debate on the subject.

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12/5/11 11:20 A

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BOOKWYRMB,

Sounds like what you are eating is very similar to what I am. I am now in the normal range for blood sugars as well. And being able to maintain this without needing willpower (ie I'm not hungry eating this way) is a great bonus. I'm coming up to two years maintaining a 60lb weight loss.

That said, I don't think I'm quite a cynical as you are about SP motivations. I tend to think they they are sincerely deluded about what a healthy diet is. There is so much bad information out there that is the current "wisdom" that you really need to dig to find the truth.

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12/5/11 11:03 A

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Same here. Bookwyrm, your story is inspirational. I have to admit, I'm still wary of so much saturated fat. But, I keep an open mind.

Congratulations on your fantastic blood sugar readings.

I keep reading up on this when I make time, but right now I have been "in the vortex" (of the internet) way overtime, if you saw my status updates.

This diet info. is fascinating.

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12/5/11 10:58 A

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I was no different from most of the people on here. Now what Spark does or says is discounted (to a large degree - they still say some things that I agree with or have learned from) for the most part, when it comes to other things. It's wonderful that we have a place where we can all support each other, no matter who or what we follow! LOL

I just started losing again. And hope to continue!! I do indulge once in awhile, but for some reason can get back on track more easily with time. Getting better and better as the time goes on.

Loved reading your posts!



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12/5/11 10:10 A

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How could I have missed that? You are totally correct, HELEN_BRU, of course. Both points are right on target. Why would all those people choose an unhealthy diet with a load of carbs, especially when most of them are probably carb intolerant? Because we all believe what we want to believe and if believing that carbs are bad for us makes us have to give up eating our favorite foods, why not just believe in the goodness of "healthy whole grains" and other high sugar/starch carbs?
And I had noticed all the ads from the grain and processed foods industry, but I expected better from the SparkPeople administration than their incorporating the bad science promoted by those industries to creep into the information that they provide to their members. I say shame on them for being bought and sold.
Meanwhile, the people that need the information the most will just go on perpetually losing and gaining the weight back as their willpower fluxes and wanes. I know. I was one. I now eat 55-75% of my calories from good, healthy, clean fat, much of it saturated, and don't have to rely on will power on a 24/7 basis. When I am confronted face to face with an old favorite, the need for willpower comes up, but not constantly as before, nor because of hunger and cravings. On an occasional basis, I can muster the will power. Formerly, when I was on a lower fat, higher carb diet, I could not sustain that willpower long enough; I couldn't get the thoughts of forbidden foods out of my head. I just could not fight it 24/7 for longer than the three years that I was successfully dieting and maintaining on that lower fat (30%), higher carb (45%) diet, before I broke down and gained it all back.
And with my present high fat diet, my blood sugar is below the diabetic range, even though I am a diabetic; my triglycerides are perfect; and my HDL is better than it has ever been. My total cholesterol is below the limits set as desirable before they decided to lower it to include most all healthy people and I am quite happy with it where it is.

Edited by: BOOKWYRMB at: 12/5/2011 (10:20)
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12/4/11 9:32 A

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You are missing a very important point here! Follow the money!! How can Spark in good conscience validate a low carb diet? Have you seen the ads they get paid for posting on here? It's all about money, baby!

Not only that but so many are here because it feeds into their diet and what they like to eat. Spark needs the numbers to satisfy their advertisers.



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12/3/11 11:28 P

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I agree w/you Bookwrm too, I was diagnosed w/type2 diabetes in sept 2011. I went low carb & I lost 30 pounds, my triglycerides were 350 & 2 months later, they are now 98, my blood pressure was high & now normal. I am getting about 98% of my fats from saturated animal fat which really blew my General MD's mind. My Holistic Dr. agrees with the low carb higher fat & protein diet. My General MD said with an astonished look on her face "just keep doing what your doing." I weigh in tomorrow & will get more blood tests this month. I feel so much better & more alert and energetic now that the carbs have been cut down. Most of the carbs I now get are from green leafy vegetables. I do eat some fruits which is now a real treat! When I was indulging in sweets & breads, it was uncontrollable. (My cravings for carbs, sweets & starchy things) Now, I find that the cravings have subsided tremendously. In fact, I crave things like sour things, vinegar for example. My morning blood sugars have been very stabile too. Usually in the 80;s. I all attribute to the lower carb nutrition plan I also wanted to add that before my diabetes diagnosis, and high carb way of eating, I had severe heartburn. Now, nothing, I have been heartburn free since the diet change. My Md said because of lower fat diet, but I told her that my daily calories came from over 50% of animal fats. But like I said, I will be having another lipid panel done this month, so I will see if the good numbers stay the same, or get better, or worse.

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12/3/11 9:13 P

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Yes! I am grateful for their great tool that I do get so much value from. I guess that is why I was so outraged; I expected better from them because I have been receiving much better than that from them. I have referred several people to this site because of its value to me. I have a feeling this anomaly is from a single underinformed nutritionist. I noticed she is frequently remaking recipes to reduce fat and calories.

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12/3/11 8:54 P

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I love your posts, bookworm - agree with you 1000% Sparkpeople rankles me easily, but they do provide this forum, and I appreciate that.

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12/3/11 6:53 P

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I agree that different metabolic types have different metabolic needs and I agree that everyone has an opinion and opinions cannot be proven or disproven. The definition of passe (outmoded), makes the statement in question one of fact, though, not opinion, and as such can be proven either true or false. Is low carb something only of the past? No! Is it gaining in acceptance due to science finding out more about its effectiveness? Yes.
That official statement "low carb is passe"coming from SparkPeople rankled me a lot. It goes against the idea that different metabolisms require different diets and presumes that helpful and healthful diets are like fashions; they go in and out of style. While fad diets do that, it is true, ancestrally valid traditional diets cannot be said to be fad diets. Also, are they not aware that we have several groups right here on SparkPeople that are oriented to low carb? Do they just dismiss us like that? The statement was a transparent attempt to affect change by announcing it has already happened. I dislike being manipulated and resent an entity that I should be able to trust as a source of factual information being so manipulative and just so wrong! Millions of years of human evolution cannot be denied; we arrived at the point we have obtained in developing the abilities that have enabled humans to become the rulers of the planet mostly on a diet high in fat, much of which was saturated, and we were not as prone to diabetes and heart attacks anywhere near our present rate as recently as 100 years ago. Our "obesity epidemic" can be traced to the beginning of the manufactured oils and predominantly carbohydrate diets. Someone at SparkPeople needs to do her homework.

Edited by: BOOKWYRMB at: 12/3/2011 (19:04)
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12/3/11 6:22 P

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Everyone has their own opinion, I just read an article (sorry, can't remember where) about how the author thinks that cancer feeds off of sugar. I think there will always be different research saying one thing or another. I believe that every body is different. What works for one, may not for another. I know from my own blood tests that watching my carbs has lowered my triglycerides in half! If I didn't get them down I would have had to be on meds.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly..."


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Sparkpeople is still pretty stuck on carbs being the primary fuel. Got an email today that sounded promising (talking about choosing them wisely), but still stating various myths about the necessity of carbs.

Mind you, a certain number of carbs for a healthy person are probably optimal, but that is a very different statement than necessary.

Add to the carbs are necessary the underlying fat is bad (even "good" fats should be reduced because of calories) attitude, and you have very little left to allow you to control your diet long term. As most of us should know by now, getting to a healthy weight and staying there is not a matter of dieting, but of diet. ie. What is your eating lifestyle that you are planning on maintaining.

For me, if I started back on the starchy carbs and sugars, I'd be back where I started or in much worse shape, so my current lifestyle pretty much eliminates those foods.

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12/3/11 10:37 A

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In an email from, of all people, SparkPeople, I received the information in a list of the top ten worst fast foods, the sentence that "low carb is passe".
REALLY!!!???!!!
Atkins may be from decades ago, but Primal and Paleo just took off, both with vastly increasing numbers of followers. Additionally, the Atkins diet is being newly appreciated for the wisdom that it contained before the science was even there to support it. So how passe can low carb be? Does the author of that sentence even know what Primal/Paleo is all about? Sheesshh!
High protein may be out of favor for anyone except children, pregnant women, and super athlete/body builders, but low carb just makes sense in an age where nearly one third of us are obese and diabetic. Man, if you are carb intolerant, DON"T EAT CARBS! Duh.

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