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9/25/11 3:47 P

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You are completely right Russell. You are eating well and your progress proves it. Transfat shows up in processed foods. When you avoid them you avoid transfat.

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I try to use olive oil to pad my calories if I am a little low, but eat mostly chicken , and fish, and 10-12 servings of vegetables most days. A few meals of red meat every week

This works out to over 50% fat, but I am pretty sure that it is healthy. I couldn't imagine going any lower on fat. My meals look healthy to me.

I try to avoid trans fats, but can't remember the last time I saw any in the foods I eat. I think a good rule is to just not heap on fats for the sake of eating fat. There is plenty of healthy, delicious fat in any low carb diet.



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9/24/11 12:26 P

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There is a lot of bad science out there related to fats. The latest studies insist that transfat is the big problem and I tend to agree. I consider it the only truly bad fat. They state that the problems really attributed to saturated fats were actually caused by processed meats and not saturated fats and I tend to agree with that as well. That doesn't mean that I think you should subsist on a diet of saturated meat. Contrary to what many may think that is not what Atkins encouraged either. There is not doubt that olive oil is good for you and I use it. As far as the rest I've not seen enough really good scientific studies to agree or disagree and as a nurse I get all the latest studies. These preliminary studies are often done on lab rats or a handful of people and are later found to be flawed. In addiction, there are a lot of kooks on the internet who are pushing studies funded by vested interest groups and some of these people are M.D.s. I recommend that people eat a balanced diet - all things in moderation except for things that obviously could not possibly be good for you. And you know what I mean. And I always recommend to eat as clean as possible - the less processed the better. Avoid obvious problems like HFCS and transfat and foods with too many additives.

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9/24/11 8:18 A

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There is a great deal of controversy as to which are the "good" and "bad" fats. I wholeheartedly agree that naturally-occuring saturated fats are probably the best. There is a big difference also in fats from grass-fed and pasture-raised animals as opposed to factory-farmed. Coconut oil, which is highly saturated, has many wonderful properties and is even antifungal and antbacterial. Monounsaturated is good in reasonable quantities but breaks down on cooking, so olive oil is best used in salad dressings. Your basic vegetable oil and the highly-touted canola oil are the worst. They are usually rancid when you buy them, and I wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. Canola is also genetically modified. Of course, this is not what the mainstream will tell you. I get my info from highly-respected sources on natural health. I'm thinking I need to up my fat and further limit my carbs, since my progress has been very slow.

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9/24/11 1:46 A

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Joy, I think it's the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated and those type of fats you want to stay away from - and of course, trans fats as well. Someone will set you straight before the day is over.

Naturally occuring saturated fat (such as in bacon, beef, pork, etc). is fine - And you NEED to have a considerable amount of fat when you're doing a LC food plan too!! That is very important - don't try and do low carb and low fat...

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9/24/11 12:07 A

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Well how much of the fat is saturated fat? There are good fats and bad fats. Do you keep track of how much of the fat you are eating is saturated?

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9/20/11 2:18 P

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I do best when I stick with meat, veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds. And a few beans. The rest is problematic and send me on a downward spiral. I try to make substitutes.

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9/20/11 12:53 P

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I don't eat breads, grains, rice, potatoes (occasional sweet potato) pasta, etc. as well. Do not have any in my house. I decided it wasn't a "cut down" thing, because if I had some, I always wanted more - so now, I don't have any and it's all working out just fine.

Easier to stick to program when I don't have bread or anything to reach for - and now, I don't crave it either, so it's easier yet!

I don't limit fat, I eat meat, etc,. that has fat in it, but I don't go nuts with fat either, I don't eat gobs of butter or coconut oil - just reasonable amounts. It usually comes out to about 50% fat in my nutrition trackers. I do aim for about 90 grams of protein and less than 30 grams carbs per day.

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I stopped eating all of the starches, including all bread, potatoes, rice and pasta. I don't eat cereals either. My blood sugars are fantastic and I've lost 16 lbs in 8 weeks. I am feeling really great. I don't crave bread at all. I used to eat bread with practically every meal. Not good!

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I do so much better when I leave the bread alone. And the crackers and chips. the last 2 are my downfall. I have to avoid them.

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9/11/11 11:08 P

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I've lost a lot of weight in the past by just cutting out or reducing my bread intake. I don't eat a bread every day, but I do go on "binges" where have anywhere from 1-3 bagels in day for quite a few days. That does a lot of damage! When I was cutting out bread, I was still using oil to sautee food, full-fat salad dressings, etc. It worked!



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9/11/11 7:54 P

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The Kroger kind is very dense and I prefer it toasted too.

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9/11/11 12:56 P

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Moonchild I have had that bread from Trader Joe's and it's really good. The price isn't to bad either. I used it more so for toasting.


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9/11/11 1:34 A

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I don't deliberately add fat to things anymore. I don't go "low-fat" by any means, but I eat a lot of eggs, cheese and meats - all the full fat varieties. My fats run approximately 50% of my days intake. If I do add fat, it's butter, olive oil or coconut oil only.

I was trying way too hard to get a high percentage of fat with my intake of food, but wasn't feeling as well as I do without having quite so much of it.

But, different things work for different people.

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9/11/11 12:19 A

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The one in the shopping center where I play trivia isn't very good, but the one near the gym is. There's a whole section with short aisles of groceries and lots of frozen stuff, too. Sounds kinda similar.

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9/10/11 4:38 P

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We have a nice natural food section with a freezer part, refrigerated section, and 3 aisles.

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9/9/11 10:39 P

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I'll have to check that out. Some of our Krogers are better than others with larger natural food departments.

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9/9/11 8:59 P

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Kroger sells something similar.

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9/9/11 8:22 P

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I have discovered that Trader Joe's (sorry to rub it in for those who don't have one near!) Sprouted 7-Grain Bread has only 7 grams of carbs and 3 of fiber, so that makes only 4 net grams of carbs, right? This is a great bargain, I think, and I seem to do quite well on it. I even see a few possible BLTs (or maybe club-type sandwiches so I can get in more protein) in my future, though I try to limit it to one slice at a time.

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Any bread I have had, that I have not made, certainly does trigger me. I'm amazed at how high my blood sugars can go from just one bite of a role at a restaurant. I guess my blood sugars like my bread recipe. And the tiny portion size probably does not hurt either. emoticon

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9/8/11 11:07 P

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I have the same reaction. Bread triggers me.

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9/8/11 9:07 P

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For me I find that I'm better off just saying no to any slice of bread. I will eat a lo carb wrap and that's it and I try to only have that about 3 days aweek . Once I have that 1st slice or roll ,it's over . I will crave it and end up eating more that day and so on.


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9/8/11 4:28 P

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A little over a year ago, I started making all our family bread. We start with wheat and grind it ourselves. While I don't eat much of it, I find that it is not too hard on my blood sugars. Eating the entire grain certainly does better for me than the processed garbage I've been able to find at the stores.

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9/8/11 3:52 P

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I agree with Linda. Clinton waited until he had heart disease and then went on the South Beach diet when it was too late. South Beach is a great diet but he would have probably been better off to to go lower on the carbs. Carbs elevate triglycerides and cause heart disease. I have seen no scientific evidence that saturated fat causes heart disease.

I'm not a bread fan - it's a highly processed grain by-product. If you eat grains eat whole grains in their purist form like quinoa, barley, etc. and eat them only occasionally and stick to a serving as they are still not as healthy as fruits and veggies.

If you cut back on unhealthy carbs in the form of processed foods your fat levels go up by default. You have to replace the carbs with something and most protein is accompanied by fat.

Edited by: MORTICIAADDAMS at: 9/8/2011 (15:54)
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9/7/11 8:42 P

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I couldn't go vagan. I like meat and I like nuts and avocado and I could almost drink olive oil.
I like food.............. I haven't came across a vegetable that I don't either other than beets I don't much care for them. What can they eat other than vegies?
I think lo carb is the best thing there is. I work for a bread company and I think we should all give up on all the bread we Americans like to have at every meal. Most of it is garbage unless it is 100 % whole grain .


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This heart healthy vegan diet doesn't allow for any oils at all, nothing cooked with fat or oil and no avocado or nuts. That eliminates all baked goods too. If you eliminate soy, I have no idea how you would get enough protein. I guess I'll have to see if I outlive Bill Clinton and see how long he stays on this diet. Seems like it's way to radical for most of us.

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I think Clinton is headed in the wrong direction. If his circulatory system hasn't improved with the drastic changes he had already made, I think he needs to go in a different dietary direction and cut the carbs way down while enjoying some good healthy fats, and I include saturated one in that definition. When will the mainstream catch on?

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I think you will need a better working pancreas than I have to eat a typical vegan diet. Most of what I seen in vegan diets have far more carbs than I eat. That said, I think you can do a low carb vegan diet, but it will not be the easiest thing to pull off.

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What do you think of the vegan diet Bill Clinton and his docs are promoting? I'm concerned because heart disease is in my genes.



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Oh yeah, I bet that homemade blue cheese dressing is to die for. I would love to have some homemade.

I use olive oil so I guess I will start using it more often and more of it.


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Any easy way to start is use the so call "healthy" fats. That way you only have the amount you are eating to overcome emotionally, not the it's going to kill me. emoticon . It turns out that most of what we have been taught about fats is just way off, but it is hard to overcome years of training.

The way I get my fats is by eating full fat blue cheese dressing (home made) on my salad and sautéing my veggies in plenty of fat. What it looks like on the plate is veggies, but it tastes good and is very satisfying.

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Thanks to both of you for helping me with my fat issue.
I guess it's just hard for me to change my thinking on the fat thing because of years of being trained to think of fat as being the # 1 enemy.

My Doctor even does Atkins and he was the one that wanted me to go with the low carb.
He's done great took off 50lbs and has kept it off for over 3 years now.

Ok I guess this is going to have to be a new goal for me and make myself enjoy the fat... guilt free.


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Fat is where it's at!

60-70% of calories should be coming from fat.

For 1500 cal that should be 100-120g of fat.

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I get about 70% of my calories from fat. The only thing I worry about, in regard to fat, is if I'm getting enough. This has resulted in staying full longer. Great blood sugar numbers and my cholesterol is better than ever.

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Am I worring for nothing over how much fat I'm taking in everyday. I always seem to be high on my fat intake in order to keep my carbs down and I'm having a hard time getting to my 1200 - 1500 calories aday unless I have more fat than I think I should.

How much fat do you take in on a daily bases.
I'm always between 60 -100


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