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2/6/10 6:15 P

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Atkins is a high fat diet not a high protein diet so don't worry about the protein aspect. Most of your calories will come from fats.

As for your bones, I was on an extremely low fat diet during my adolescence and early twenties. When I was 27 years old my dentist informed me that I was displaying bone loss already. This was no surprise as I had experienced several bone breaks. You need vitamin d in order to have healthy bones. Vitamin D is fat soluble. I wasn't eating enough fat. When I went on a low carb diet at the suggestion of my gynecologist, magically my bones healed. I no longer display any bone loss. I think its kind of neat that I was able to heal.

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1/27/10 3:36 P

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I stay away from TWO things and everything else falls into place. Just two rules. Try to stay away from......grains and potatos.

Too many rules makes life too hard....too many times giving up...too many bad days....

Two rules.....life falls in line more, and more times.....it gets easier...each day...one day at a time... just two rules.. grains and potatos.


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Good job Kevin!
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You are doing GREAT, Kevin!!!

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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1/25/10 8:26 P

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That's sooo awesome! Another testimony to how we need to know and understand our own body and it's needs! Power to the PEOPLE!!Way to go and thank you for sharing!! Now that's encouragement. I really believe that this is what the answer is to so many health issues today. Get educated and start eating and living healthier! And it is so important to know our health status and then pursue a healthier lifestyle. Not everyone will have this dramatic a result, but everyone CAN make healthier choices and reap some benefit!
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This is what I did. Good Luck

I was Diagnosed Type 2 on 26 Feb. 2009. My fasting blood sugar was 366, A1C was 14.1, cholesterol was 300. Blood Pressure 145/95. The doctors put me on 500mg Metformin twice a day, 10mg Lisinopril, 40mg Simvastatin and 81mg Aspirin once a day.

On March 1st I purchased a meter and started testing before and two hours after each meal. I stopped eating foods that spiked my blood sugar more than 30-40 points.

I stopped eating sugar, using salt, drinking coffee, beer and wine right away. I started eating salads, broccoli, cauliflower, cucumbers, pickles, sauerkraut and homemade coleslaw. Lots of coleslaw. I also started to drink at least 8 cups of water per day.

Over the next several weeks I stopped eating bread, crackers, noodles and anything that contained any kind of grains. No flour at all. I check the labels on everything I buy and will not purchase any product with more than 5 or 6 net carbs per serving with the exception of chana dal. I started to use fenugreek and flax seed on my TVP oatmeal and chana dal. I drink a low carb protien shake for breakfast in the morning and eat the TVP oatmeal at lunch. I bought like 25 pounds of it and have recently been making what I call TVP carrot, chocolate and more recently pumpkin cakes. I have a small piece at lunch almost every day instead of the TVP oatmeal. I eat about 1 oz of tuna fish every day. I have started eating peanuts, sunflower seeds and almonds for snacks between meals.

I also eat chicken quite often and eat a little beef at least once a week and occasionally will eat a little pork. When eating out I find myself eating chicken and beef a lot. Chicken wings I seem to eat most of the time when we want something fast. They also come with celery and blue cheese.

My morning blood sugar has slowly dropped from the 200-300 range, to an average of about 80. Several months ago I started testing on the peaks (1hour after eating) and most of the time it’s under 110. My 7-14-30 day averages bounce around a lot but most of the time there between 90 & 95. My lowest 7-14 day average was 88. My 7-day average has only gone over 100 only once in the last several months. My numbers are constantly changing. Like a roller coaster. They dip down and then go up and down.

Several months ago I started taking the Equate Fiber Therapy supplement. I bought it at Wal-Mart. Also taking 4000 IU’s of vitamin D, 3000 MG’s of fish oil concentrate and one multi vitamin tablet for adults over 50.

After about seven weeks of taking the meds I couldn’t tolerate the side effects any more and quit taking them. My blood sugar continued to drop week after week, my blood pressure has averaged around 110/70 and my cholesterol has remained below 200 since I stopped taking the meds. My A1C dropped to 5.9 in four months and seven months after being diagnosed it was 5.6. Got my latest results on 1/19/10 5.4

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I had similar problems with a vegetarian diet and had several vitamin deficiencies and had to take vitamin k shots for many years.

The benefits you listed of going low carb are ones that many of us share now.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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I tried a vegetarian diet too and ended up with panic attacks from vitamin deficiencies. My sister also had to give it up, so there must be something off in our genetic makeup. I had gestational diabetes 35 years ago, so have a much higher risk for type 2.

My protein stays within the SP recommended range and I've swapped fat for carbs. It must be working because my blood test results went from bad in September to normal in December.

Plus I have more energy and I sleep better. Be patient and you'll find what works best for you.

Remember, nobody can go back to the very beginning and make a brand new start, but anyone can start here and make a brand new end.

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i keep my type 2 diabetes totally controlled by diet & exercise alone. I stick to 20 net carbs, and my BGLs are in the non diabetic ranges most of the time. (Once in a bit lunch gives me issues).
Fasting is usually in the 80's or low 90's.
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www.mendosa.com is a great site for diabetics. David Mendosa is a freelance medical writer and consultant specializing in diabetes. He is also a diabetic. The site has much information, articles, links to other sites, etc.

Mendosa also mentions on his site Gary Taubes, as well as Dr. Richard Bernstein, a type 1 diabetic who is now in his late seventies and developed a treatment plan and low carb diet for himself in the '60s and has lived way past his expected life span as a type 1 diabetic. However, his diet and plan is good for type 2 diabetics too.

I was recently (the beginning of January) diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Fortunately, I am lucky and have had no side effects from metformin, which I take twice a day, 500mg each. My FBS this morning was 85. It seems to be getting better with each week I'm on the metformin and sticking to very low carb and exercising. But like I said, I'm fortunate not to suffer any of the side effects some people have.

I also exercise a minium of 40 minutes to an hour a day. I was eating Atkins a few months before I found out I had diabetes with a FBS of 168. I'm sure I had diabetes then but didn't know it. Of course, then I would skip meals and not keep a watch on portions or calories. Now, I do keep my calories within a range and eat the small meals spaced throughout the day to not overload my body that diabetics are supposed to eat. Granted, I'm new to the diabetic world, but my BG levels are already really good. Last night before bed, it was 75.

I, too, am doing a lot of reading and trying to keep my mind open.

Have you read the book by Gretchen Becker: The First Year, Type 2 Diabetes, A Patient Expert Walks You Through Everything You Need To Learn and Do? She is a type 2, does not push any one eating plan, but she also found that she has had much better results with low carb.

Dr. Richard Bernstein's books are: Diabestes Solution and Diabetes Diet.

As others have said, each person is different and has to find their own way. Good Luck.

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Or you could give Atkins or Protein Power a try and see if that lowers your blood sugar. Low carb solved many of my chronic health problems.


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Thanx for the info. I hope others respond. I only know of one person who said they can tolerate metformin. If my FBS stays above 125 for a week I will have to go back on something, at least 'til I drop some more weight.

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Metformin made me horribly sick too.. Byetta works good for me .. just FYI.. it curbs hunger too.
eating low carb is great.. but if you need a boost , it might help until you get it under control



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You actually can control blood sugar with a vegetarian diet but in my opinion not as well as with low carb and the vast majority of people don't want to eat vegetarian.

We have people in this group getting excellent blood sugars on Atkins. And on low carb you don't have to experience hunger like you do with vegetarian.

I have hypoglycemia and was offered my choice of a vegetarian diet or low carb. I was familiar with vegetarian diets as I had been on one in high school. I got vitamin deficiencies on it. I had to have Vitamin K shots for many years due to a clotting problem. And I was hungry all the time.

The people of Asia and parts of Africa are highly active and seldom obese. Exercise is part of their every day life. And they eat very little in general. That is why their diet works.

If you are interested in how low carb works the Eades explain it as well as anyone in Protein Power. Also Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes is excellent though I have only read excerpts from it.

If you are serious about lowering your triglycerides you are better off on a low carb diet. And triglycerides are what matters. Not total cholesterol.


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1/21/10 2:06 P

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Metformin made me vomit and gave me abdominal cramps...it was extremely unpleasant. Actos made me ill too. That's when I decided to change my lifestyle and I am sooo glad I did!

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1/21/10 2:00 P

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Morticia - Thanx to you and everyone else that responded. In answer to your question, I had been averaging between 120 and 130 FBS for the past 6 months. I never had a doctor prescribe sugar meds till I switched physicians in mid November. Metformin. I recently had colon surgery and dropped about 20 lbs. The metformin has bad side effects, which I here are common, so I quit taking it. I have been vegan for 10 days, eating all complex carbs EXCEPT white potatoes, white rice, white bread. Pumpernickel, brown rice, wholewheat pasta, waffles, sweet potatoes, grapefruit juice, etc. My fasting blood sugar this morning was 107. In Dr. Barnards book he states in bold type CARBOHYDRATES DO NOT CAUSE DIABETES. He cites the low incidence of diabetes in Asia and parts of Africa, where the diet is predominately rice, noodles, and legumes, with protein about 10%. How do you explain that?

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Are you a diabetic? Depending on that answer my advice would be slightly different.

In general though......As a nurse I don't agree with either book completely.

Actually low carb is really great for problems like diabetes, hypoglycemia, lipid problems, hypertension, GERD, IBS.

Fat is not what you need to worry about. Eating lean meat will not affect your blood sugar and it's okay if you choose to go that route but eating fatty meat will not hurt your blood sugar either. So that is kind of your choice.

What you absolutely need to do is choose fresh meat without sugar and avoid processed foods as much as possible.

Some carbs are great, like low glycemic fruits and veggies. Most people who are carb sensitive need to be careful with complex carbs in the form of starches though and eat these sparingly if at all - that would be beans, whole grains, legumes. Whether you can tolerate them is usually trial and error.

I do think carbs should be restricted - dump the simple sugars and foods with high glycemic loads which spike blood sugars such as white bread, white rice, potatoes.

Dairy is okay as long as it doesn't contain a lot of carbs. Some do. Some don't.

There are all sorts of low carb and lower carb plans depending on your medical problems. If you have diabetes then Atkins or Protein Power are excellent.

If you can tolerate a more liberal plan then South Beach is fantastic.

But these are just my favorites and many of our members are on other great plans such as Sugar Busters, The zone, the Paleo Cave Man Diet, etc.

My advice in general is to keep the carbs below 150 net carbs a day. 20gms - 150gms depending on your needs.

If you are interested in a low carb diet then I suggest that you google the different diets online and their food lists and this will give you an idea if you can do it.

Many of our members can attest to their success with different diets like Wise Wife with Atkins and Kierae with South Beach.


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Glad you found us! My blood sugar is well within normal limits after struggling for several years with "Insulin Resisitance" and high sugars. The best plan for me is Lo Carb and beef up the exercise. I started out with Atkins plan and since I got things under control I have since been able to play a little more freely with my carb intake. That varies from person to person but I still keep carb intake low. You'll find what works for you but I think most of us here agree that the low carbohydrate plans are the answer for us. emoticon

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Thanx for responding, Carboholic and Wisewife. Your response illustrates the source of my frustration. I also have high cholesterol and high triglycerides. I have read books that say Atkins is BAD. Protein overload leads to calcium leeching and osteoporosis,and animal fat will clog your arteries as well as make your cells insulin resistant. And 99% 0f doctors could care less. There idea of medicine is pills to alleviate symptoms, surgery to cut out offending parts, and chemo to burn the cancer a nutritionally sound diet would have prevented in the first place. Of course, that's where the money is.

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HI!
I'm on Atkins, stay at Induction levels (20 net carbs, 15 from veggies) to control my type 2 diabetes. My last 3 A1C tests have been in the low 5's (5.1, 5.2,5.1) I love the way I eat, and my doctor has told me I'm no longer a diabetic.
Breakfast: half a 4 egg omelette with sausage, peppers, mushrooms and cheese. Lunch usually leftovers today will be unstuffed cabbage (cabbage, ground beef, green onions & tomato sauce) and dinner will be beef veggie soup.
I wish you the success I've found.
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Hi! My blood sugar started going up and my triglycerides were definitely too high last year, so my doctor told me to do the Atkins diet. He hasn't called me with my blood test results from December, so I'm probably back to normal.

He also told me to take fish oil capsules and start exercising. Exercise can have a significant impact as well.

One thing that I like about Atkins is their website. All of the information you need is there and it's all free: www.atkins.com/Homepage.aspx

CVEGAS on the Living Low Carb team has a wealth of information as well.

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Good luck. You can get lots of good info on this site to help. The trick is to find what works best for you. We're all different and there isn't one perfect solution that fits everyone.
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I have two library books. One is called Stop Prediabetes Now. The other is Program for Reversing Diabetes. Their advise is directly contrary. Book A, in line with the ADA philosophy, says eat lean meat and dairy and restrict carbs. Carbs cause increase in Blood sugar. Book B says eat lots if complex carbs, but NO meat or dairy. BS increase is due to insulin resistance by fat filled cells, and that ADA recommendations DONT work. Can anyone out there help me? I am at my wits end. If I just knew the truth I have the willpower to do it.

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