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5/23/11 9:48 A

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I found out that our transfer station here in town has huge *HUGE* piles of compost, mulch and yard waste (leaves and grass clippings), and I can take all I want for free. If you call your local Department of Public Works, you can probably find a similar resource. It is a lot of work shoveling it into containers, getting it into my car, driving it to the garden, hauling it out of the car and to the garden and dumping it where I want it, but hey--it's good exercise and free goodies for the garden!

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5/23/11 8:39 A

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I found the best place for constant manure supply is my local stock market. You will get a mixture of all the animal manure that went to sale that week, Mixed with straw and saw dust. Most give it to you if you load or charge a small fee for loading for you. I just hauled 6 ton this week end spent $40 to get it loaded. Also check for Turkey or chicken farmers the litter is high in nitrogen usually mixed with wood shavings.



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5/23/11 7:43 A

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With regards to obtaining manure and compostable substances, maybe you could ask a local farmer for manure? We have an organic garden where I work and the local farmers give us the stuff free for the hauling. As to compostables, the township where I live comes around a couple times a year to gather leaves in the ditches and yard waste if you pile the sticks separately from the leaves by the side of the road. They have an area in town where they take it and make compost piles that people can access free for the hauling. Hope this helps. As to the dandelion root coffee, if you make it let me know what it tastes like please I'm curious!

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5/18/11 5:51 A

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Gemini and Paul, thanks for the tips. I just worry that the corrosion will damage the canner. That's a great idea about adding vinegar. I will also leave it open for a while to dry! I probably do that but will make sure its really dry.

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5/16/11 10:54 A

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I'll have to try that as we do have very hard water...
Sounds like the ticket ! ! !

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if you ad an ounce of vinegar (either white or apple cider) to the pressure canner water it will help eliminate the calcium build-up. you won't get that white residue on the outside of your jars. I also add vinegar when boiling my jars & lids for canning tomatoes, etc. this also ensures that your jar rims, insides & lid seals are free of deposits before sealing.

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I use an SOS pad to clean mine when I'm done for the season...(just the inside)
I have really hard water with a water softener...But I still get calcuim build up.
The corrosion would come from water...Leave the lid off (always)
I never put it away wet or even damp.
At the end of the season, I leave it open for a day or so till it's completely dry...And of course ...Just incase someone gives me some of their EXTRAS ! ! !
The season isn't over til it's over...
Put a few paper towels in it before sending it to the basement...to absorb any basement moisture, if any.
And make sure the rims are very, very lightly oiled and wiped dry before storage.


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Gemini, do you have any problem with water staining or corroding your canner. I have one and hate to use it because it corrodes. I would love to find a solution.

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Good Morning...
I have an All American pressure canner with a guage.
The best thing about these canners is that they no longer have a sealing gasket....
All you do is very lightly oil the outside rim of the lid and the inside rim of the pot...Twist and lock with the screw clamps...
Here's a ling from their webpage...
www.allamericancanner.com/allamerica
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21pressurecanner.htm


Amazon has it for under 200.00 plus I think the shipping is Free...
pressurecanner.us/

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The weighted gauges are fine - you just have to make sure it is jiggling at the right rate throughout the process. I'm dreaming of a pressure canner with a dial gauge, though -

PFB (the book) says to vent the canner for at least 7-10 minutes before you put the weighted gauge on (or close it up tight if a dial gauge). Yes, what you did is venting -



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5/16/11 12:03 A

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I did let the pot steam for several minutes before I put the weight on the top. Is that venting? The book I have called for 10 pounds, and I don't have a gauge, but the weight is marked with different numbers, and you put the one down on the stem that you want. After 90 minutes of steaming (and a heck of a lot of noise) I turned the heat off and let it cool down by itself. After I opened the top, the water inside the jars was bubbling, but it didn't seem like anything was getting out at that point, so I let it cool overnight, then put it in the fridge. I did leave the 1/2 inch of headspace that my book recommended, but there is much more space in there now!

I'll try the trick with removing the outer part of the lid. If it isn't sealed, it is dandelion greens every day for a week for me! LOL!

Thanks so much for the advice!

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I betcha that's my problem. I think I forgot to Vent the pot ! ! !

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You can test the seals by this method:

1. line your sink with a thick towel

2. Unscrew the bands from your jars (I'm assuming you used modern jars)

3. Hold the jars, one by one, over the sink by the lid (not too high, either). If the lid holds, it is sealed. If it doesn't, repack the jar and eat it soon (and with any luck, the jar won't break.

The other thing you can do (maybe first?) is to unscrew the bands (so that you can see the top edge of the jar) and tilt the jar - as you turn it, look for air bubbles inside the jar (like a little stream of them) - if you see any, then you know the jar is not sealed. You can try reprocessing any unsealed jars (using a new lid), or just refrigerate or freeze and use the contents soon.

I checked (the book) Putting Food By, and they say that there are a couple of different possible causes:

Fluctuating pressure in the canner during processing -

or cooling the canner down too quickly at the end (you should wait until the pressure is at 0 naturally) - if it is a modern pressure canner, you may not be able to open the lid until the pressure is at 0, but older ones don't have this feature,

If you didn't vent the pressure canner (by exhausting the air in the canner after locking the lid and before closing the petcock or vent), the pressure on the gauge may not represent the pressure inside the canner accurately -

Also, be sure you left enough headroom (not too much, not too little) in the jars before you processed them....


As long as the lids are down in the center (concave), the jars should be sealed.




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I just started pressure canning last year. I had the same problem.
(Water coming out of the jars while processing.)
I lost about an inch of water in my canned corn and beans.
I read in the manual that this is caused by the pressure during canning being to high.

Anything over 10-11 lbs of pressure will pull the water out.
I have an electric stove, so it's harder to lower the heat quickly.
This year, I'm going to use my turkey fryer propane stand and see how that works.

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I tried my first "canning" yesterday with some of the cooked dandelion greens. So, I have a question...

It looks like water came out of the jars during the pressure process, because the remaining water in the pressure canner was greenish and there is less water in the jars than when I started.

The lids don't move up and down, and they seem sealed, but I put them in the refrigerator anyway, just in case.

Can anyone tell me if this worked or not?

Thanks!

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Hi I don't know where you live, but in our area, they collect leaves in the fall and make compost from it. In the spring, we can go get it for Free. Call your towns service dept. to see if they do this.
I garden in Wide Row plantings...Which is I make rows about a foot wide and plant seeds (like beans, radishes, carrots, etc). When they grow up, they shade the ground so weed seeds can sprout as they will be in the shade and they need sun.
With the Wide Row planting, you get more out of the precious space you have.
Radishes are a good thing to plant with anything. They come up and harvest quickly so they also keep out the weeds.
I do use the newspaper trick between the rows but I cover it with STRAW. NOT Hay. Hay is just weeds bailed and have a ton of weed seeds.
Straw is oats or wheat bailed after the grain is harvested. So there is just the shaft.
A bail of Straw may cost around 3.00 to 6.00. Go to a farm. Much cheaper there.
The straw will help keep the newspaper from blowing away and help keep the water in the ground from evaporating. Make sure you water the garden after you plant and before the newspaper and straw.
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Well, I now have about 15 gallons of dandelion greens, about a quart of buds for pickling and a bunch of root for roasting. I am learning the hard way that the flowers don't stay open for very long after you pick them, so the dandelion wine may be a no go. The recipe I found called for a quaort of tightly packed flower heads, but I saw somewhere else you are supposed to remove all the green stuff (stems, bracts, etc.) and just use the yellow parts of the inside of the flower and it is going to take me hours and hours to do that, and half the flowers have gone to seed by the next day already... geez!

Okay, so maybe just the buds, greens and roots.

Plus, I got access to my garden spot last night, and I now have a 25 foot square barely tilled patch of dirt. I have to figure out what to do now, but I was told that I need to buy a whole lot of good soil and get some manure and/or compost and work it all in before I plant anything! If this is true, I am in trouble, lol. I don't have any money to do that. I do have 3 huge bags of garden soil, and I think I read that I can just put some down in each hole to surround the plants and seeds that I am planting, so maybe that would be enough. Someone also told me to put newspaper down in the aisles between the rows so that I wouldn't have to weed the walkways. Great idea!

So, I guess I have to put in rows. I'll go figure that out today, maybe after I can all these fool dandelion greens and buds!!!

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Gosh are they healthy and abundant this year ! ! !
Any Takers????

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5/10/11 11:20 A

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I heard dandelion wine is delicious!

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Our meadow is a mass of dandelions this year. The flowers are just over and the seedheads are quite breathtaking with the sun on them and the breeze ripling through them. I thought of gathering some blooms to make wine but then I read that you needed to be careful only to use the yellow part of the flower as the green is very bitter. I wimped out at the thought of dealing with a couple of quarts of flowers.

I do often use the leaves in salad but do remember that they are not called "pis en lit" for nothing; they are a strong diuretic.

Good luck!


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I think you get the resourcefulness award! Way to Go!

It also occurred to me yesterday that you probably need to be careful where you pick them in case they have been treated with "weed" killer -

Edited by: KAKIPOPUP at: 5/9/2011 (04:08)
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I am not as adventuresome as you are. I wish you would come over and get the edible plants out of my yard. I don't have any dandelions but lots of stinging nettles, poke salad, henbit and a lot of stuff this year I haven't seen before.

I do put the flower part of the veggie plants in my salad. Actually I use almost all of the plant from cabbage, kale and radishes.

Enjoy the dandelions!



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Good Morning, I just Googled Dandelion Recipes and here are a few websites I found...
www.mountain-breeze.com/kitchen/dand
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www.mariquita.com/recipes/dandelion.
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www.prodigalgardens.info/dandelion%2
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Here's one on Pickling the Buds (Googled Dandelion pickling recipes....)
wildfoodmushroomsfishing.blogspot.co
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Enjoy.

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I spent three hours today, pulling dandelions and wild lettuce around my building. I have a book that says that you can pickle the flower buds (the ones below the ground level, especially) and use them as capers. Apparently, I can batter fry the flowers, and boil or eat the leaves fresh, and finally, roast the roots and make a coffee-like beverage.

So, lots of free food for me, YAY!

My question is, does anyone have any recipes for any of the above? (except the salad and boiling--I've got that part down, LOL)

Thanks for any suggestions!

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