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Posts: 41 7/25/12 1:05 A
I think it is an interesting book that has made a lot of money over the years. Some plants attract pests away from others and that sort of thing. In the average garden, however, everything is so close anyway unless you live on a huge acreage, what does it really matter for the most part? There are some plants that are alergic to others, so there may be some truth to a few things. Don't try to grow tomatos under a walnut tree because it is alergic to the chemiclas the tree puts off, for instance. Marigolds attract red spider mites and maybe they will go to the marigolds rather than other plants, or maybe they will just breed more spider mites to get more of the vegys. People like recipe books on what to do and if they want to believe it, it oftenmakes them feel comfortable. Garlic is supposed to make roses grow better. I tried it and it just makes the roses look messy with all the garlic heads and grassy leaves. The roses did about the same as always.
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Posts: 609 7/24/12 7:42 A
Thank you for all your help :) I feel empowered. Bugs! Watch out! ;)
Posts: 6,915 7/24/12 7:32 A
I have usually tried to follow the advice in the book but for some reason I planted a broccoli in with my tomatoes in one of my raised beds this year.After I planted it, I read in the book that they shouldn't be planted together because they repel each other. It's the largest broccoli I ever had and the others I planted with some herbs in another bed are puny in comparison! All the tomatoes in with the broccoli are loaded with fruit. I also planted nasturtium in with my cucumbers as per the book and the cucumbers don't look any better than usual. Now I'm not too sure the book is always correct.
I do try to plant herbs and flowers in with my vegetables though.
NancysGardens - what do you think of the Carrots Love Tomatoes series? Not specific enough? I thought I was pretty successful with my pretty ignorant system of interplanting herbs or flowers with my veggies, but maybe I've just gotten lucky with healthy soil and vibrant insect communities.
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Posts: 41 7/24/12 1:39 A
It is ok if your vines arre on a trellis. Most of the time the lggs of the vine borer are laid in the lower section of the plant close to the soil Mine are on a trellis and I find them near the ground and usually able to cover most of the section I slit open.
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Posts: 609 7/23/12 6:14 P
Oh wow, sorry to hear about your vines going downhill. I'll be using row cover next year as well, but will also use the spray that contains Spinosad in hope I'll get the best out of the bugs; if one fails, the other will take care of them is the hope.
I saw a squash bug today which eluded me. The Spinosad spray is helping, but I have to reapply after it rains for every so often, which is fine and so far so good except for my cantaloupes, two "tentacles" of it wilted overnight and the other three seem to follow. I've had no luck with those so far; I'll cut it open tomorrow when I get a chance to see if it's a borer.
Posts: 6,915 7/23/12 5:58 P
It's the white icicle radish that you plant in the hills with the squash and let flower.
My pumpkins didn't make it again - all the leaves are drooping. I covered them with row cover but I didn't realize that one windy day part of it blew off. That 1/2 a day was all it took I guess for the moth to lay the eggs. They were planted in grow bags with new soil so I know they didn't come up from the ground from last year. I'll try to "operate" tomorrow, but they also have powdery mildew or some other fungus that is making the leaves brown and powdery so I think it's once again hopeless. My cucumber vines don't look so great either but I see no sign of bugs.
Companion planting is a bit more complex than just saying 'radishes' help with beetles. It has to be a specific radish and most of the time the lists are not specific. I have yet to find a reliable book on this topic.
Posts: 799 7/23/12 2:42 P
I have been dabbing in companion planting to help control creepy crawlies this year. You might try Googling companion planting to see if you can find suggestions for next year....
Healthy by choice, not by chance!
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Posts: 609 7/23/12 7:57 A
Thank you for the clarification. I will be out checking things out today.
My vines are on trellises so burying them won't be an option. I read that a gauze wrap will close it up. I'll fertilize it and water it well.
Edited by: GARBLEDEEGOOK at: 7/23/2012 (07:59)
Posts: 41 7/22/12 11:39 P
You have squash stems and then you have the places where leaves come out from the stems. These would be the leaf axis. sometimes the worms are inside the stem, but often I first notice fras coming out at the axis where the leaves come out from the stem and oven there is a little guy burrowed in the vine right there. I slit one side of the vine, not all the way through. We are having 100+ heart and I did this a few days ago and the plants are still wilted, but still alive. Hoping to get through the heat and still have live plants after the stress of surgery.
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Posts: 609 7/22/12 2:13 A
Nancy's Gardens, thank you for the info! it will prove useful if I see any of the evidence you report.
I do have one question, I'm not sure I understand "leaf axis" completely. Is there a picture or link you could send me to that explains it so I don't forget something?
Thank you :)
Posts: 41 7/22/12 1:54 A
I have injected Bt. You want to do it at all the leaf axis for sure, as that is often where they are as well as between axis. The most effective way to get rid of vine boreres is take a knife and slit the stem from the bottom upwards til you do not find any more. Then take some soil and pile it over the stem where it was slit. Put the sprinkler on til the area is soaked well, then fertilize. The vines may wilt, but water every day for a week or so and they will usually come back unless there were too many borers or you waited too long. You can easily tell if you have borers because there will be frass, (grub poop and some squash vine "sawdust") lower down on the vine, often at the leaf axis.
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Posts: 2,044 7/18/12 5:39 P
I've never heard of injecting BT into the vines, but I've used it for other things with great success. I wonder if I just have a good population of the germ in my yard, 'cause I just don't have much problem with vine borers (knock on wood!)
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Posts: 609 7/17/12 5:42 P
The morning after I sprayed the Monterey product with Spinosad, all the beetles and the borer flies were dead; didn't see any squash bugs so I don't know if those were also taken care of. We'll see how long it lasts. I'll update.
Next year, I'm using row cover; didn't get it in time this year. catch with it is that when vine blooms, it has to be removed. Wondering how that works out then.
ETA: I'm wondering if it comes down to it, whether or not I can inject this same product rather than BT.
****** Still looking for cycle information I can translate into something useful.
Edited by: GARBLEDEEGOOK at: 7/17/2012 (17:44)
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I'd be interested to know your results, as well. Sorry I don't have any experience to share.
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Posts: 6,915 7/16/12 10:44 A
I have tried injecting and had no success - the vine died anyway. I also cut the borers out and then tied pantyhose around the vines - that didn't work either, just grossed me out. So far I'm good this year because I kept them covered with cloth until after the flowers appeared (knock on wood LOL). I hope you reply here at the end of the season to let us know how those products worked.
2 - I got impatient and sprayed Monterey Garden Insect Spray which contains Spinosad amzn.com/B002BP12LI this week.
Both products are accepted by organic community from what I read so far. Anyone has any experience with those products?
3 - I'm also getting ready to inject BT into vines which seems to have been damaged; I'm not sure whether it is remnants of the vines being eaten by a critter I've taken care of by fencing veggies; looks like dry spots on main vine. Last year I lost both vines to them mid/late Aug.
I'm too chicken to cut a slit only to find no worm (borer) which would essentially damage a healthy vine. I need info/pictures on how to inject and when in the season those borer are actually putting the vine at risk, their cycle etc so I can prevent if I'm not too late.
Edited by: GARBLEDEEGOOK at: 7/15/2012 (21:39)
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