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GABBY308
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2/27/12 11:33 A

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@TYMBERWOLFE- We kinda got off topic- did Shar answer your original question?

The seed companies usually have a spot where you can put in your zipcode to get your zone and use that info to count backwards but you are better off calling your extension. It's more accurate for last frost date. You can also start seeds earlier if you plan on using season extenders like wall o water for tomatoes or row covers. That's another use for plastic milk jugs too!

The first year I started seeds I only had a window with bright light. I think you can find starter systems specifically designed to fit on window sills but I don't know how you'll be able to prevent your cats from knocking it over LOL. I remember that when I only had a window to use, I had to start 2 weeks earlier than the recommended time and they can get leggier. That's OK for tomatoes because you can bury most of the plant sideways in a trench in your garden and it will form more roots. I don't think I would try just a window for anything other than tomatoes, herbs or squash.

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I just looked at my list of seeds from the last two years (I check every winter to see what I have to order more of) and they're all from Baker Creek, Territorial and Seed Savers Exchange as someone else noted so I'm safe! I had a few like Rumba and some other squash from Park seed that are about 3 years old now and there are only a few seeds left.






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Johnny's lists what seeds they use from sources we don't like. There aren't many. I just try to stay aware. I like them because they are a local, employee-owned company. FedCo is also a great place to get safe seeds.




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Baker Creek, Territorial and Seed Savers Exchange are all safe companies to purchase seed from. I know Baker Creek actually tests it's seed to make sure they aren't contaminated.

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By going to that link and then to Seminis seed company I found this list of seed companies that carry seeds purchased from the Monsanto owned company. Some of the varieties are open polinated or heirloom, but I would rather purchase them from another source and not one that supports Monsanto. Before you know it we won't be able to find a tomato that isn't genetically modified as well as corn, soybeans wheat and canola. Everything we eat will be controlled by Monsanto. I'm beginning to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it's scary what happened to corn. One company I purchase from, said that they were only able to find one variety of sweet corn that wasn't contaminated.
Here is the list of seed companies that buy their seeds from Monsanto:
us.seminis.com/products/hg_dealer.asp

As a result I'm throwing out my Johnny's seed and Tomato Growers catalogs and I plan on writing to them to let them know why I won't support them . Oh and Burpee and Park seed too, even though I only buy flowers from them.






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Black Beauty Eggplant is fine. It's an open pollinated, heirloom variety so it's not patented, nor is the variety "owned" by anyone, it's just simply carried by Seminis/Monsanto. That doesn't necessarily mean that your seeds even came from them. It all depends on what seed company you use.

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I guess I am busted on the Black Beauty eggplant. Guess next year I will choose a different one.

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That's a good point. I have grown a type of 'Big Beef' tomato that I got from www.tomatofest.com , a company that redeveloped the Semini's hybrid over the course of a few years to get it back to heirloom. So it's important to note the source of the seed and not just the variety itself.



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The Monsanto list is very misleading. I think there needs to be a distinction made that not all these varieties are owned (i.e. patented) by Monsanto/Seminis but rather just carried. The Habanero, Hungarian Yellow Hot Wax and Charleston Gray are only a few on this list that are OP varieties that other seed companies (like Baker Creek who never buys seed from Seminis) actually grow and save seed from. We need to be careful because with lists like this we could inadvertently hurt the seed companies that are doing good.

Seeds that are patented (hybrids can also be patented) will have a PVP after the name. However, not all plant/seed patents are held by Monsanto.

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on the Monsanto issue.This is a depressingly long list, that includes some older open pollinated varieties, like Black Beauty egg plant.


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Check this place out: seedsavers.org/ if you have seed concerns



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Just wanted to clarify concerning the Monsanto list:
These are not all GMO seeds. Monsanto has bought these seed companies to control even more of the seed market. Seeds that are not GMO are not patented as far as I know so you can save your own seed.
Another issue to consider, though, is whether the nutrient profile in some "heirloom" varieties may be significantly superior to seeds that were bred for commercial growing. I was hoping to do some research on this soon but would appreciate any input from anyone who has experience with this. Fruits and vegetables that were bred for uniform size, nice looks and sweet taste may not be the best nutrition we can find. If we make the extra effort to grow our own it might be a good idea to look for the highest nutrient levels and disease resistance while keeping in mind what does well in the climate we live in.
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TYMBERWOLF - SHARJOPAUL is correct - most seed packets will tell you exactly when to plant. One thing I have found, however, is if you have a short growing season (I do) I actually have to start indoor seeds a few weeks earlier than recommended to be sure I'll get a crop! Even outdoors I take a risk and start early - knowing full well that I may need to re-plant if we get a late frost.

You should also do a Google Search for the Agricultural Extension Office in your area. They, too, will have a list of resources (including recommended planting and transplanting times) for your area. It's best if you get as much of your information from local sources, as climate varies so much in just a 100-mile radius!

Brigit - thanks for the Monsanto list. I was relieved to see only 3 items on it that I plant (and I'll be abandoning those next year... too late this year). Sadly, though, my FAVORITE pumpkin (Rumbo) is on that list. I have never seen/grown/heard of anything comparable to Rumbo, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that one...emoticon

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If you want to avoid buying seed that is owned by Monsanto take a look here:

www.agardenforthehouse.com/2012/02/forewar
ned-is-forearmed-veggie-varieties-owne
d-by-monsanto/


There are many other choices.
Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 2/26/2012 (14:11)
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SHARJOPAUL
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Most seed packs will tell you when to start the seeds inside with reference to your last normal frost date. You can find this out by checking ywith your local Master Gardeners, your county University Exthention Office or a good local nursery. Tomatoes is usually 6 week and peppers are usually 8 weeks before your last frost date.

When you first start your seeds its best to keep them covered, the trays with a clear plastic dome work well. This helps keep the soil moist until the seeds germinate.

A single window may not be enough light for seedlings. You can get fairly inexpensive grow lights at some of the big box hardware stores.

Wait until your seedlings have at leat 2 true leaves (the seed leaves that come out first don't count) before you transplant your seedlings to larger containers.



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I am in Western WA state and I would like to try starting from seed this year. I am not sure when to start the seeds but I am thinking the time is now. Any advice? I have indoor cats which is my only reservation I don't want to end up with my seedlings dumped out on the floor! I do not have a huge amount of light coming in but I would like to make the best use of the one window in my kitchen which does. Thanks!

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