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4/21/11 8:10 P

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Quick Q - I've been following this thread and saw someone recommend 10-10-10 and then Preen and I know someone followed up asking if those were organic. I'd love to know if anyone else knows more about this? Are they organic?

In general, how do you judge what is or isn't organic?

To me I don't just trust labels that claim they are organic. I'd love some advice.

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4/20/11 9:13 P

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I noticed that if my house is too cool, some of my seeds won't start, watermelon and peppers seem to be the worst for me. And bunnues LOVE peas, if you can try to fence them. But it sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you. I would start with containers, and a small patch of garden. You can make the garden bigger later when there is more time.

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4/19/11 9:47 A

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That sounds great! I'll probably go out and plant them on a warmer day because it's just too cold for me right now lol

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4/18/11 11:40 P

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Mustard greens are very tasty and easy to grow and frost hardy.

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4/18/11 10:17 P

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I am in Ontario as well. Lettuce, spinach and peas should be fine. Keeping in mind, a bit of snow in May isn't overly unusual. Kale would be fine also, if you have any started

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4/18/11 2:16 P

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Well I just wasn't too sure with the spinach and peas because we just had a snow fall over the weekend! They would be fine in that weather? I'm in Ontario! Don't think that it is extremely cold up here, because it isn't! This year we got all of our weather from the States! Haha!

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4/18/11 1:02 P

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Nicole - you can go ahead and plant the peas and spinach before your last frost date. I'm in zone 5 and already have mine in the ground. They like cool soil.

Also - you will have great luck with the hyacinth beans and they self sow too or you can save seeds for next year. Your foxgloves will likely not bloom til their second year. I've never had good luck with those....

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4/18/11 12:38 P

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Hey, thanks a lot everyone for the great tips.

So I went out and bought a starter kit for my seeds which was perfect! I bought two trays which hold 28 pots each. I also bought a starter seeding mix that contains sphagnum peat moss, vermiculite, and compost. The seeds I bought are organic seeds as well.

I found a ton of reference videos online to help me with the process of seeding. I will be using an organic fertilizer, and from what I learned in my research, that is high in phosphorus. I will look into the other ingredients though as was mentioned in earlier posts, for example, a 10-10-10 fertilizer.

The seeds I purchased were:
Brandywine Tomatoes
Sweetie Tomatoes
Tendergreen Beans
Laxton's Progress Pea's
Bloonsdale Spinach

I didn't seed the Pea's or the Spinach after reading the back of the package. Those two I figured to just plant straight in the ground after the last frost. If anyone has any tips for planting spinach and pea's, I'd gladly take em!

The flower seeds I purchased are Foxgloves - Apricot Beauty and Hyacinth Bean - Dolichos.

I wanted one vine type flower to go in my front garden that can grow along the back wall. There is nothing in that garden anymore except some sort of bush (don't know what it is called) but I decided to keep it and just make it smaller. I'll probably be putting the vines in the back yard as well.

I ended up tilling all of my gardens. Definitely looks A LOT better. There was already a vegetable garden in the back so I know the soil there is great! The guy up the street that owns the local variety market even told me how good my soil is since he knows the owners of the house (my boyfriend grandfather).

So, I am on for a fresh start now and everything is starting to look great.. except for the snow fall we just got over the weekend. Not impressed what so ever!

Thanks everyone!

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4/16/11 1:34 P

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Thanks, I over watered my seeds last year. I won't be doing that this year!

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4/16/11 12:31 P

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I just had to look up Preen, just looked at the ad on their website. Looks like it makes the ground infertile and thereby keeps weeds out. Sounds worse than roundup to me but I'm willing to be educated. As far as fertilizer I will use anything organic before using chemical fertilizers and then only in small areas. We use a ton of horse manure, duck manure and rabbit manure wood pellet animal bedding and organic straw in our compost and it works well. We put it on in the spring and rarely have to fertilize anything during the year. Natural fertilizers are more slow-release from my experience. Chemical fertilizers contaminate ground water.


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4/16/11 10:54 A

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Question.....Do "organic" gardeners use 10-10-10 and Preen???

My advice for a garden that looks like a weed patch is to start small. We moved into a house that had been neglected for years as well. You just have to keep at it to keep the undesirables out and the good stuff in. It is constant work but the kind of work we all love.... emoticon

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4/16/11 1:49 A

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I talked to some more experienced gardeners about this and they all seemed just as worried about letting everything dry out, so where is the golden middle?


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4/15/11 6:42 P

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Thank you for this tip. I have started a number of seeds last week and seeing the beginnings of the seedlings raising their heads. So now I will wait before watering again. I am learning!

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4/13/11 1:19 P

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Thanks for passing that on, I'll take a look at your blog. I'm always tempted to overwater, my problem is that I know I might forget later and wait too long. Maybe I'll have to set myself an alarm clock to check every day. :)


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4/13/11 1:13 P

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First biggie if you're starting seeds indoors. Definitely use seed starter soil.
Next, once your seeds germinate do NOT overwater. Let them dry in between waterings.
See my blog for why. I lost a lot of the plants I was working with due to that little error!

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Good luck with the yard and garden!

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As a fellow newbie, I don't have much advice to offer. But I wanted to say welcome! emoticon This group is really great, and I've learned a ton.
Also, the internet is a great resource, sometimes I just search for pictures which can be helpful. Check out your local library, there should be plenty of books there for your local area for you to check out.
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4/12/11 4:06 P

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Nicole,
don't get discouraged by the way the garden looks or by the terminology. 10-10-10 is a kind of fertilizer that has an even balance of Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Potash, the three most common ingredients in fertilizer. There is also 16-16-16 which is a stronger all-purpose fertilizer. Nitrogen is what makes plants grow green leaves and also makes lawns green. The other parts help plants grow strong roots. Just google the three ingredients or look them up on Wikipedia. The other important thing is the acidity level of your soil. Another thing to look up on the net. There are test kits you can buy in garden stores or ask a neighbor who has experience with gardening what the soil in your area is like.
The third thing that's important is how dense and your soil is and how well it holds water. We have clay soil that holds water too well some time so we need to add things that makes it looser and improves drainage. If you have sandy soil you may have to do the opposite or your water will run right through and the plants don't get anything. Any smaller local gardening supply store can give you good advice and you don't have to buy to get some help.
There is no reason why you can't mix flowers with veggies. It is getting much more common for people to plant veggies as part of beautiful landscaping, so don't worry about the bulbs, just plant around them.
The most important thing is to loosen the soil with a garden fork or spade or shovel before planting and to get a hoe for weeding.

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4/12/11 3:42 P

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Well, since I am new, I don't have a green house! And I am also not too sure what 10-10-10 means, but thanks!

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4/12/11 3:33 P

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I started my seed starters inside about 3 weeks ago and they have plants about 1 1/2 inches now. I will let them grow to about 6 inches with several leaves and then put them in bigger pots and put them in the green house. When they are 10 inches and at least 6 to 8 leaves I will put them in the garden. I want stronger plants to go in the garden because I get a lot of wind and the weather beat the plants down last year. If they are in the hot house growing strong I can wait longer to put them out instead of replanting several time. I have about 20 items that I am growing so I will have plenty to do but I love it. Use 10-10-10 when the plants are strong and not too much because it will burn them. You can put Preen on your garden before your plants so it will keep out the weeds. Have a good gardening year.

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Thank, I will definitely look into getting some today. I will save my compost for the gardens outdoors. I just went outside and my one garden where I was planning on growing vegetables needs a lot of work. There are perennials popping up everywhere. I collecting tons of bulbs from that garden last year too.

Is it bad to start a vege garden where there was previously a flowers?

The more and more I look at my gardens, the more I want to start off in containers... There is so much work that needs to be done :(

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Hi Nicole,
it is better to start seedlings in a seedstarting mix because that way the young plants are protected from some soil-born diseases until they are old enough to handle them. I'm a beginner too, so hope you get some more advice here.

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Hey everyone. So I am very excited and quite anxious to start my own vegetable garden. I've been looking through resources and learned that I can actually start seeding indoors. I am going out today to buy a few medium sized jiffy pots (or whatever it is that are called!), a tray to put them in, some potting soil (I already have compost), and of course some seeds.

I have a question.. Can I start my seeds in just compost or do I have to make a mix of compost and potting soil?

So far, I am not too sure if I want to grow some of my veges in containers or in the ground. I have lots of area in my yard to grow vegetables, but the area where I did want to grow it quite beat up. I know there is lots of clay deeper in the garden and lots of weeds have grown there too.

My boyfriend recently took over the house we are living in right now from his grandparents and the yards (front and back) weren't maintained for at least 3 years which caused all the gardens to grow weeds and the soil to turn out the way they are now (very very dry, full of weeds, large amounts of clay, etc.). I think I would have to get the soil in the one garden tilled and new soil and compost added in before I start planting.

I created my first garden last year, but not a vegetable garden, but a flower garden. I actually started that at the end of the summer just because that was when I got interested in growing. Now some of the flowers are starting to grow again (I don't know what they are because they were just some bulbs I found from digging up one of the other gardens) so I am excited to figure out what they are! I've already noticed some weeds growing too though in my new garden which I will have to pull out soon.

It's a lot of work!

Nicole xox


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