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shutrbug - I want to be you! I think I have enough sunny space in my yard to completely feed myself, but I have neither the skills nor the work ethic to make it produce at that level.

gardengirl - I think strawberries prefer both full sun and neutral soil. blueberries love pine needles as fertilizer, so maybe if you have enough sun you could grow that.

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Could a person use strawberries for a groundcover under an evergreen tree? I know some things won't grow there....

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I love the idea of edible landscaping. My back yard is very shady, and the front gets all the sun, so among my ornamental shrubs and flowers I have rhubarb, asparagus, artichokes, onions, pears, tomatoes, cilantro, peppers and herbs. My ground cover is strawberries. With the front yard garden, and my "shade garden" in the back (peas, lettuce. garlic, apples potatoes) and my community garden plot (root veg, corn, squash, tomatoes, beans, etc) we grow almost enough produce to last for the year. I can, freeze and dehidrate whatever we don't eat fresh.

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LAURAAT, you could try a a few things this year out front to see the reaction of the kids before you go all out. The shade I wouldn't think would be that major of an issue where you are. Let us know how you make out

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My strawberries grow rampent among my flower beds with zero help from me. They do only produce mid June- mid July here, which is too bad. But they wouldn't get high enough to mow

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I think it would be more work to tend strawberries than to cut grass but maybe that's just me. Were I live the berries are usually only good in June!

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I'm with EvelynF about "useless grass" - I'm converting my front yard because I hate mowing. When I first put in the strawberries, people warned me that they'd get "stolen". From my point of view, a beautiful patch of berries that others ate would still mean I didn't have to mow. But the truth is the only thing I've had vandalized is my lilies. I think people don't recognize the garlic, collards, maybe even the strawberries as anything but odd looking grass.

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My front faces the east and I'm in ZONE 9.All sun no trees in the front yard although I will be planting 2 cherry myrtles this weekend.

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I live in St. Charles County...west of St. Louis.

Okay on the facing west, lots of trees, what to plant question.

My house faces west, too, with one large tree shading the front beds during the peak heat hours. I'm in Zone 5.

You should be okay with most herbs, I think. They like sun but don't really require full sun to do okay. If you have a way to keep it contained, peppermint would do fine. I grow basil in a container in my front flower bed, so that should work for you, too. Last year I grew peppers in a hanging basket on my front porch. I really had to keep after watering them, but they did fine. Of course, where they were hanging is not in the "shade zone" of the big tree, so they got plenty of sun.

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OK all.
I have a question.

First know that, our front yard faces the west. Which means it only gets the late sun. And then, there are many trees... so there are places that get more of it than others...
My ??? is...
What would be good to plant there and eat?

Thanks for taking time to read this.
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Oh it helps a lot. I want fragrance too! Our winters are pretty temperate. We may have one or two weeks where it just might creep into the 30's and then vanish!

My front yard faces the east, the back the west. I am so excited! What area is STL?

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I had great success with Provence lavendar on the west side of my home (the house faces west). It makes the front porch and walkway smell so wonderful, too! I'm thinking if Provence did well up here in the STL area, it should do well down in New Orleans, too. I had to look for a while before finding varieties that would be hardy enough to withstand our hot humid summers as well as our cold nasty winters.

Grosso did okay for me, but not as outstanding as Provence.

Hope this helps, IIAMMOON

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As I was reading this topic it got me to thinking for myself what to plant & did some research on lavendar & lemongrass. I've come to learnrcertain species only will work well here because of our high humidity. I think it was "Grosso and Provence" lavandins were considered the best. In true New Orleans style front yards are very compact. I wanted purple colors or thought about doing another moon garden where all the flowering plants are white flowers (looks lovely at night). I am so glad from what I can tell since I am new in the neighborhood any dogs that are not kept in their yards & not a cat in sight although I really like cats.

Down the pipeline I am really considering buying this property but I want to feel it out over a couple of years/seasons/neighbors etc to see if it will be a good fit.

I like all the suggestions you all have given for LAURRAT!

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Thanks for sharing, everyone! I've got lots of ideas now. I think I may just have to experiment, and see what works for us. I'll try growing things in the shade in the back, and see how it goes. Because of the sun we get, things may grow well.
In the front, I like the idea of things like lavender, herbs, and maybe some berry bushes. I definitely want strawberries and raspberries. I'm thinking those would be good to line the side of the house? Currently there is nothing there, and I'd like to have something. The herbs and lavender may just be good filler for the small bushes in the front of the house.
As for the kids and cats - kids and neighbors are not exactly friendly. There are a few neighbors that we just won't be friendly with, ever (they are NOT nice people, to us or to their other family members) but it may be worthwhile trying to establish relationships with the good neighbors. :) I'm so shy, I don't even know where to begin, so maybe sharing some of our bounty will be a great ice breaker. The cats, we don't have a problem with in the backyard because we have two dogs. That takes care of that! The front yard, though, they just taunt my poor dogs, wandering around the carport and front yard/steps. We'll have to see if they bother the plants, too.
Lots of brainstorming! Thanks for all the ideas, and encouragement to try! I'm taking lots of notes and can't wait to start expanding a bit more.
To whoever asked where in Florida I am - I'm in the Tampa area. I don't think that's close to where you are? I wish we could be workout buddies, though!

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3/31/11 7:13 P

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I have my fruit trees...herbs..and vegetables in the back...which is all fenced in on the three
sides with gates connected to the side of my house....At the sides i have tall hedges....But
the front i grow flowering plants...along with a palm tree and a small lawn....keeping it always
looking Nice!!! emoticon

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I only grow them in our back yard. My garden usually isn't too pretty.

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Kale, leaf lettuce and Romaine would be pretty intermingled with flowers and herbs, I think.

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I grow flowers & herbs in the front yard & everything else in back...I don't know why, I just do it that way. I have a dog, so critters in the back aren't a problem. I've heard if you grow catnip, the cats will be attracted to that & stay out of your garden. I'm going to grow it this year, just for the strays. I will be doing more planting in front, though this year, to get rid of the grass, so I might consider some fruits & veggies that are more ornamental in the front yard.

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We want to convert our front yard garden to more of an edible garden. Although, I do plan on putting decorative pumpkins in the front - can't wait to se them spread across the useless grass! We have lavendar by our front door and 2 large planters that are at the end of each side of the driveway. My husband wants to use that for lemongrass and herbs this year. Last year we had squashes in them. I don't see too many kids or animals around and we're friendly with our neighbors so it's not really an issue.

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I know in some neighborhoods it is very typical to plant in front. In Portland, OR I saw lots of folks using the "parking" for gardens.

One thing you might consider is befriending these kids and recruiting them to learn more about gardening. If they were included they might be less inclined to damage things. Good luck!

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I grow some herbs in my front yard. Last year I grew peppers on the front porch.

I want to comment on the cat problem. That's not going to be limited to the front yard. There's nothing to keep them from messing around your backyard garden just the same.

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I've consider this in my new place but thus far I haven't seen any walking of dogs or very many children in this neighborhood. In my previous one my garden was all in the back but I had a major issues with neighbors allowing their dogs to make the property their personal pooch potty property! I used to have to stand out there or rap on the window as they generally had the same time every day to walk their animals.

I always found that amazing they thought that was ok but they did.

I have both sunny and shady areas in my back yard where the bulk if my garden will be (mine are in containers) but I thought about doing somethings in the front, perhaps like someone mention more ornamental veggies which I think is a good idea emoticon My front yard is very very sunny faces the east so anything I out there has to enjoy full sun for the bulk of the day.

Any suggestions from anyone what veggies would thrive like that? Caution I am in New Orleans...

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I grow kale, swiss chard, green beans, herbs and broccoli in my front yard. I've never had any problems with kids, theft, or any other nuisances. It's a great topic of conversations with my neighbors who all think it's great! Worth a shot for sure!

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I'm on a corner lot and part of my backyard is front yard. I grew tomatoes near the sidewalk and only recieved pleasant comments on how good they looked. If any were picked I did not miss them. Luckily they are not close enough to the walk for dogs to use as a hydrant.

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This all reminded me of why I started deck gardening! LOL

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We grow food in our front yard but not your typical veggies. Instead we went with perennial "ornamental" edibles like artichokes, rhubarb, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, etc. Around our front yard we have a 3' fence which is a pretty good deterrent. We were thinking about doing raised veggie beds at one point but we live in a shady area and didn't want to encourage people to come onto our property.

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I live in Florida and would strongly recommend growing in the shaded back yard. We actually installed an awning to cover our garden so that the soil doesn't get too hot and the plants don't bolt.

Considering the problems you are having with kids and critters, it might be risky trying to garden in the front. You COULD buy one of those ultrasonic animal repellents but I'm not sure what more you can do about the kids if the parents are in denial. Plus the kids might steal the repellent...lol

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I'd guess you have to treat all critters alike and plant enough to allow for some loss. It may help to be on friendly terms with your neighbors at all times just for times like this. I have noticed that when issues of any kind come up it is helpful if people know one another and can actually talk to each other. Every area I've lived in has been different. Some people actually go out of thier way to scramble into their garages so as not to engage the neighbors.

Planting in the front yard may even encourage some neighborly jesturs. Grow enough to share and your neighbors will help in the protection of your harvest. I have a couple neighbors who comes over and helps herself when I am away. This keeps things from overgrowing and going rotten.

We are probably going to lose a beautiful ash from the front yard this year. I'll probably reclaim that garden into my rotation for tomato plants. I never have enough sunny spots in the yard.

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I've seen people online growing veggies in their front yard, but I'm wondering how practical that is? In my neighborhood, the kids are very unsupervised, and are allowed to play wherever they want, dig in the trash, we've even had problems with kids in our mailbox. When things are brought up with the parents, they deny it was their kid, even though the kid is standing right their and you saw them doing it not five minutes ago. We also have lots of cats that are allowed to roam wherever they please, which is worrisome.
Anyway, how practical is it to have a veggie garden in your front yard? Our back yard is fairly shaded, which is good for Florida, but makes it growing veggies hard. Do you grow in your front yard, and have you had issues?
I'm wondering if it may be worth trying to grow things in the shadier areas, since the FL sun can really beat down. And maybe put a fruit tree in the front? But I still have the same worries, with it getting messed with or food stolen.

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