I also am totally against declawing. Over the past several years I have adopted three front-paw declawed cats and although two don't seem to have issues, one, my dear Persian Sophie, would not let anyone touch her front paws. It was if she remembered the pain. She passed away on New Years Eve 2011 at the age of 14. One of the sweetest cats I have ever had and it breaks my heart to think of how much the declawing must have hurt her. It should be outlawed.
Hello, I'm new to this group (but not to cats), and am happy that most people are against declawing. I am as well. I had our oldest (almost 15) declawed before I knew exactly what the procedure was--but I will never do it again.
In addition to it being an amputation, some cats can develop behavior problems (such as biting) afterward, or have litter box problems (associating it with pain). I've recently learned that long-term, declawing can cause deformities and pain in the paws.
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I feel d-clawing is inhumane to animals, especially the hind feet. But, people will be people and do it anyway. Having cats for many years, I have never had a problem with scratching - except for one. She liked scratching the front of my loveseat. I caught this immediately and put clear tape on the front and she never scratched again. Now I have a Micro Fiber (swede type fabric) and they will lay on the couch, but never scratch it. It seems they don't like the feel of this type of fabric. I leave a small blanket on it for when my female needs to 'knead' with her claws/paws. I trim their nails myself ever since they were kittens. I guess this type of discussion will always come about - but lets do what is best for the Feline, not the Humans materialistic belongings. There is always a way to protect those things...
Every cat I have ever had (10 or 12) have been declawed front and back. I was there for the whole time afterwards. While people say it is super mean, none of my cats had any problems with it. You keep them confined for like 5 days after so that they don't over do the jumping, so we just kept them in a bedroom. They use special litter during that time, to prevent infection. You would never know anything was wrong after the first day. They are groggy when they come home, and sleep a little bit, but then are back at it like nothing happened. That's why it's important to limit their movement, because they feel fine. So people can say it's cruel all they want, but I've been with several cats after the procedure and my experience tells me it's not the big deal people make it. We also always neuter at the same time. And my cats live with a dog. He doesn't really need to have his face clawed to know to back off the cat. A paw smack does that just fine.
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Thanks for all the explanations. That is what I have thought about the declawing for years and I definitely DO NOT have plans to declaw Orzo. I was just trying to find out what it was that was the thing against it because I couldn't remember. I hadn't really realized about the cats fighting each other with their back claws. Orzo does use his front ones to get the dog, though. She doesn't do anything to him. She prefers to just get away from him. So far he has not done much scratching on furniture, either. He did ruin a sweater, though, not by scratching, but by that happy "kneading" they do. He was lying on the sweater and got his claws caught in it doing that. My friend has special clippers for cat claws and trimmed them the other day, so he isn't catching them as badly.
Sorry if it is a repeated topic. When I do a search I seem to get everything but what I am searching for.
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I already left a message about not declawing but I forgot something that might make you feel better. You wonder to declaw due to cat fights, they declaw front legs, & here is the biggy...they fight with back legs, which are never to be declawed. Please, read my first post. Pray you don't do that.
Please, don't declaw. It's like you having your fingers cut off at the first knuckle. I did this once years ago & will never again. I didn't realize what I was doing. I brought them home with their arms all wrapped up & they couldn't walk. I brought their food & litter box to them & sat them in it. I sat down, hugging them & crying my eyes out. My vet didn't really explain to me at that time how it was, he said it was nothing. Believe me it was something. My cats like sycil rope to scratch. I got mine to quit scratching furniture with love not punishment, you can to.
As long as you've had Orzo, I think de-clawing him now wouldn't be a good idea. They're either going to be friends or not. Neither BeBop nor Izzy are, and as time goes by (Lorelai is 3 months now) they either ignore her, growl or hiss.
Thanks. The amputation information was what I had heard before and the problems it could cause. I didn't know about all of them, but the litter box I had heard of (though I forgot and it certainly makes sense). I could not understand why my friend's vet would tell her to declaw her cat just because she was an indoor cat.
Like I said, I am not considering it for Orzo. He is getting along better with Cassie (dog), but is still a little afraid of her, maybe because she is bigger than him. She came into the room in a hurry last night in response to me calling her and I didn't know he was right next to me at the time and he went after her. I am pretty sure he thought she was attacking him. Other than that he hadn't even been raising his back at her the last couple days. He is talking about it more right now so I think it will take a few days for him to calm down again.
I have six cats, and none are declawed. I've heard horrible things about how it affects cats, so I never gave it any consideration. The suggestions in the previous post are very informative. I hope they will work for you.
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Declawing is an AMPUTATION of the first digit of the toe. It's not just some simple cosmetic thing that your cat will just bounce back from.
Declawing can cause total changes in behaviour, aggression, nipping, urinary issues, litterbox issues, heck, psychological issues. It can be a traumatic and may even result in bone fragments being left in the paws resulting in chronic pain.
I don't know if your cats have known each other long, but declawing isn't going to be some cure-all. It's not going to make behaviours change for the better, that's for sure.
Alternate methods of getting pets to get along (or managing if they can't) are highly advised. Don't force them to be together. Try feeding treats near each other (start feet apart then slowly move together but don't force side-by-side), playing with toys together (around a scratching post to help promote healthy appropriate scratching, plus cats seem to LOVE playing around something, like with a stick feather or laser pointer.)
They may never be buddies but declawing won't change the behaviour.
I also recommend something that has worked for my 'problem child' who is my 4th cat of 5 coming into the household, and that's a NurtureCalm pheromone collar. He's a needy 'runt' with a Napoleon complex who'd be a better only cat. I got him as a kitten and of course didn't know this, but to try and manage things I started using one of these 2 months ago after 5 years of kitty politics. While he's been on diff meds etc, the collar was the only thing that has helped. Put one of those on Orzo, or both of your kitties, and see what happens. He/they may not need them forever, but only until things calm down. You'll just have to see how it goes.
I read in another topic where someone said declawing was pretty traumatic. I was wondering if that is how most of you think or not. I have heard before that it is very traumatic and have even heard that many vets do not approve of it. I was talking to a friend of mine and she said I should get Orzo declawed because he wouldn't be able to do anything to Cassie that way. She had a cat that they were advised to declaw by her vet. II am not planning to have Orzo declawed if I can help it. He is getting better with Cassie, often going over to sniff her and today he just turned around toward her when she sniffed him and didn't hiss or swipe at her. So I think things are settling down. She still would like to follow him and investigate him, but he is still not comfortable with that so I don't let her.
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