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Thanks, Don, for reiterating my exact sentiments. I, and my family were one of those statistics that succumbed to society pressure to eat junk, even when I knew better.

I was weak, but I hope that someone reading this can benefit from my failure and be strong enough to say no to these unhealthy pressures for themselves and their family.

Fortunately, today there is more information and resources that people do not have to feel so isolated (as I did) in making a stand for their health and food choices.

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These books are TERRIFIC and there is a growing body of knowledge about healthy food choices and the terrible downward, addictive spiral of so many foods. My extreme annoyance is with a system that keeps important knowledge like this from becoming mainstream and commonly accepted because of the financial entrenchment of the status quo. Moss in his book quotes liberally from a former Kraft exec who plainly said that food corp execs absolutely KNOW the hazards of their foods but move full steam ahead anyhow.

If the money that the government dumps into cattle, corn, wheat could be shifted to those healthful, life-rewarding freggies for which the scientific community has PROOF of their benefits the health outlook for our country would be SO much brighter!

Instead we have to slog through a bazillion dollar advertising industry which is effectively (they are not in the habit of throwing $$ into failed campaigns) designed to shift our choices and preferences toward "food" that is killing us. Imagine if the same amount of $$ could instead be dumped into clever advertising that turns broccoli, apples, kale, squash into drool-worthy, crave-worthy delectable temptations!

Apologies as this is an old rant of mine, but it still rears its head now & then...lol

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Interesting subject! I'll be recommending this post and book to my daughter who has identified much of her problems as a sugar addiction. (My problem isn't sugar as much as wanting that full feeling -- I sometimes feel that I just can't get enough or feel satisfied).

Years ago (35) I stopped eating sugar and white flour and after some time had lapsed I was faced with a pastry offer and accepted. I could not believe what ONE doughnut could do. It was late in the evening and I came home and went to bed but could not sleep. It felt like something was surging through my veins. I eventually figured out what it was and got up and did a bunch of exercises to get 'it' worked out of my system. I could not believe the effect of just one 'dose' of sugar.

Eventually, I allowed sugar and white flour to reenter my diet (to some degree) although I still bought whole wheat flour and bread and used honey and other natural sweeteners for most of my cooking, white sugar and flour still found it's way back into my life. Unfortunately for my children, who did not understand the effects of bad food choices, it made an impact on their bodies, as it has mine. I really regret that I was not 'strong' enough to stick with my earlier discovery about food and allowed other people (family, friends, advertising, grocery store ads, fast food, etc.) influence me and my family's food choices. I remember my mother and sister who intentionally set out bowls of candy for my kids because they thought I was mistreating them by restricting them from sugar. My oldest daughter became an instant rebel (at 4), once she discovered sugar and refused almost any vegetable I put in front of her. She would then go to grandmas (we moved next door to my mom when she was 3) for the candy and junk food. Temptation for bad food is everywhere and I became lax and undisciplined in overriding the constant demand to eat junk food. Too bad I can't go back. I can only imagine how much better my and my children's life would have been had I stayed strong and disciplined.








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Your portrayal of french culture is a little different than I have personally experienced. There may be large differences between different subcultures. To consider snacking a disgusting practices is something I have certainly never encountered in Europe, but taking much more time at mealtimes may be the reason why eaten snacks is not seen as necessary.
Growing up in Germany I can say that snacking between meals was not as common but certainly not looked down upon at all. Eating at restaurants, on the other hand was reserved for very rare occasions, maybe 2-3 times a year.
I do think that there are far fewer international differences in eating behaviors as fast food and convenience foods are getting common everywhere.
Concerning the addictiveness of sugar and alcohol:
It seems easier to assume that everyone's body and brain responds the same to these substances, but I suspect there is a lot that we don't know yet (in the scientific sense). I know that not all recovering alcoholics agree that you can never touch any alcohol again in your life. In fact, I know people personally who were alcoholics and can now consume small amounts of alcohol without becoming physically or emotionally addicted again.
I suspect for sugar it may be the same. I can only say that for me sugar produces very strong physical cravings and the withdrawal of sugar strong physical withdrawal symptoms, including shaking, moodiness, lack of ability to concentrate/function etc. but I ca now consume very small quantities (like in berries or very dark chocolate in modest amounts) that don't trigger a relapse. I know people who have told me that ANY amount of sugar consumption will push them back into their old addictive patterns.
It could be the brain pathways that don't change any more or it could be hormonal effects or the effects of sugar on mineral levels in the body.
Fat, on the other hand causes no cravings for me at all unless it is accompanied by sugar. The same is true for salt.
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I don't know how much I buy into the sugar as addictive. I am a recovering alcoholic, I was addicted to alcohol. When I stopped drinking, I went through shakes, seizures, DTs. I had to have ladies tip a little bourbon down my throat so I wouldn't die during withdrawal (no rehabs back then). When I gave up Cheetos and Reeses cold turkey, I didn't go through any of that. If I have one drink, I will be right back where I left off in a day or two, even though it's been 36+ years since my last drink. My body tissues don't forget the tolerance I had for alcohol.

That said, alcohol addiction has three major components: spiritual (mental if you will), emotional, then physical. Addiction progresses through those stages, and recovery happens in the reverse. Addiction is progressive: your body will require more and more alcohol to stave off the shakes and the seizures. I may be spiritually and emotionally addicted to sugar, but I don't think it is progressive; I don't think anyone needs more and more sugar to maintain equilibrium and postpone withdrawal for another hour.

I don't know how, in America, we can have a government setting regulations for the people who are emotionally addicted to food (or TV or video games) because it would affect all the people (and that is most of them) who are able to choose what,to them, is wise.

One of the things I love about Spark is that we are all emotionally attached to food in some form or another, and can support each other to overcome that attachment just like AA does for alcoholics. Recovering alcoholics don't go around telling people not to drink, but we do make choices about where we go; I gave up my Redskins season tickets because there were too many alcohol fueled fights and disruptions, and I choose to attend a church where there is no alcohol at church events. No one required that of me, it is my choice.

I hear people here on Spark feeling miserable at how they think society looks down on them for their weight and eating habits, yet until we as a culture do just that, we will get fatter and fatter. Kessler said just that in his book and in that youtube lecture that started this thread. Smoking didn't decline until society saw smoking with disgust. Kessler said we need to have that attitude toward overeating, and that is the only real solution to the obesity problem. There is no money to be made by providing products that produce cultural disgust.

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Thank you for sharing the information about the book. I will try to borrow a copy from the library. Linda from bean town

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Nell,
you raise a lot of issues here and I think some of them deserve further discussion. Alcohol is legal in this country and you are right that prohibition has it's own problems. I live in a state where marihuana is legalized for this reason.
A lot of it comes down to whether certain foods and food combinations are addictive. If sugar is addictive, and I believe it is for many people, myself included, then placing some limitation on it's use and sale by the government may be a good idea. We have regulations in place for tobacco and alcohol and people disagree about the details (taxes, age limit, free zones, advertising regulations, where they can be sold etc.) but not usually on the principle of regulating them.
I think we could make a lot of progress with taxing sugar the way alcohol is taxed (like triple the price), limit advertisement just like for cigarettes, especially advertising to children, requiring a minimum age for purchasing it. The industry will fight tooth and nail, but as much as I believe in a free market, with addictive substances that are not usually even labeled sufficiently the consumer is severely misled and deserves protection. Not everybody has the education to study food science in their leisure time.
Consumer protection agencies are getting stronger in this area but are still not wide-spread enough to reach everybody the way Consumer Report and Consumer Digest do for electronics, cars and household appliances.
Even here on Spark I find over and over that when it comes to sugar consumption you are often not talking to the person who is consuming it but to the drugs.

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I can't get into raging against the food industry. Their job is to create things people want to buy, and right now, people want to buy junk. At one point, alcoholism was a terrible scourge, impoverishing families, causing abuse and destruction in towns and cities across the country. The government amended the Constitution to make sales of alcoholic beverages illegal, and we all know how well that turned out. I place my vote by eating in restaurants no more than once a month (which is about 11 times a year more than when I was growing up), and not buying convenience food, junk food, packaged food, or anything labelled "snack". I hear all the time about how people crave the things they can't have, and the fastest way to get people to eat MORE of that crap would be to ban it.

My stepson is half French and grew up in the French tradition. They do not eat between meals. Period. If you snack for any reason, they will look down their noses at you in disgust. No arguments about blood sugar levels or that it's "healthy snack", you are disgusting to them. When my stepson was young and I was making dinner, he would be bouncing on his feet whining about wanting me to hurry up, but it would never have occurred to him to put something in his mouth until we sat down. Even people of normal weight in this country don't sneer at people who eat between meals. Even though I don't eat between meals, ever, I don't look down on people who do. This is America and it is their choice, and they don't have to explain it to me.

Vote with your wallet. That is the one vote food companies will hear loud and clear.

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I've seen the video and it's so good! emoticon I think the facts that are presented are so true. Once I started eating healthy, I really don't crave "junk." I'll admit I do on occasion, but if it's not around, I really don't. Very valuable information!!

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Here's another video that I think is equally good, and which gives a little different slant on this problem. The condemnation of the food industry is just as strong.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxf4kj8Rb6Y

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NELLJONES - yup, got that one and yup... 5 stars... people are really getting the message... this info is what we need to win the war... first rule of combat is to know thy enemy...

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THANKS ROBERT! So good to see you on here passing on your words of wisdom.....just went online and bought the book. I'm certain (on your recommendation) that it will be full of information that I need to "digest" in order to help keep this weight off and be successful at the maintenance game.

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I just looked that one up. I like this quote:

...the food industry would cease to exist without sugar, salt and fat...

It's the combination that will fill their pocketbooks and kill people.

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I read that book, and the new one on the same topic by Michael Moss, "Salt, Sugar, Fat". Both are worth reading.



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Thank you for sharing this with your SparkTeam Mates!
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Phantastic guy, phantastic book, thanks for sharing this video. I read the book about 2 years ago and it got me started on a whole new search for new research in nutrition and healthy living.

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Thanks so much for sharing this with the team. This is an issue that I've personally struggled with and I know many other here have as well.

Although I was born and raised in America, I've been living in Italy for the past six years. Living here has been a real eye opener in seeing just how different and overblown the Standard American Diet is and has helped me to modify and moderate my habits. I think this book could be very useful in helping to raise awareness about how Americans' diets have spun so far out of control and how we can reign things back in again.

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I read the book by Dr. David Kessler and why this guy was not given the Nobel Prize is beyond me. This really explains how I learned new eating patterns but actually puts factual information to the concepts to back it up.

If you want to really understand what makes your cravings tick and how to form better associations with food, this is for you

This is worth your time to watch...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0rFEbGYnEE

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