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10/15/12 5:08 P

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I also knew a guy, he was huge, a boxing fellow. Used to drink raw eggs in the morning and chase chickens in the afternoon. Pride of Philadelphia, I tell ya.

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10/15/12 4:06 P

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I forgot to mention, no guilt in eating at night, if that's all the time you have to do so. Everyone has different needs, and you have to respect your own schedule and limitations in regards to when you can get your nourishment in.

My workout partner is a hulkingly huge body builder (did a blog not long ago on him titled "Did you ever wonder how the most muscular guy in the gym works out?", if you'd like to see a pic), and he routinely eats before he sleeps. I made my own best gains when I was eating quality protein right before going to bed. As a trainer, I really think when you get down to worrying about times of day you are eating you are splitting hairs.

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10/15/12 3:58 P

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Also a friend of mine, a bodybuilder friend said eat lots of fish and potatoes and don't eat anything after 6pm.

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10/15/12 3:39 P

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Kylar- Wow! So much to reply to!

First of all, how did you get "weight lifting" to show up on your tracker for a calorie count? I looked for it in cardio and got nothin'.

Second of all, go to this link and request to join my Better Body group on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1643
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We're's a very interactive group with a lot of collective knowledge and support in regards to the fitness journey. It's a private group, so you will have to request to join, but I think it will really help you. (Anyone else can request to join, too, BTW- It's not exclusive. It's just that when it wasn't private it was making a problem for some of the members with FB friends having things to say about their posts.)

For a guy in college, you are actually doing a pretty darned good job of your diet, even WITH the binges. My hat is off to you- it's hard to be in school and eat right. So anything I say from here on out is simply gravy:

"Lean gain" is almost an oxy-moron. It's not impossible, but very hard, to gain muscle while losing or keeping leanness to maintain definition. And whatever you do put on, you coulda put on more, had you not been in a calorie deficit. The muscle tone comes very slow when you are riding the fence of being low on calories. I'm in a maintaining/building phase right now (it's stressing me out- I don't like seeing the scale this high), and my calorie levels are about where yours are. I'm a 46-year old woman with a MUCH lower metabolism, so that tells me you are simply averaging things out to be where you should be with your binges. I'm suspecting that the binges are your bodies way of trying to grab on to anything it can to maintain what you have built and build more with the exercise you are performing. So to stop the tendency to binge, I would suggest raising your daily calories by about 500 (to about 2600), but make them quality calories- not pizza and oreos! Or at least, not as many. The less you binge, the quicker you will see the gains you are after.

Also, if you get your protein and carb micros about even, that will also help facilitate more muscle, but you honestly aren't so far off from that that I think you need to be really taken to task. It's just a small tweak you could try to make.

You need those oats (complex carbs- you could get them from any kind of whole-grain) in the mornings. No guilt, there! Just make sure you get it with some protein. Maybe a couple of whole eggs and a few egg whites mixed in.

Don't worry about the 5-lb gain from pizza- It's just water. The most fat you could have gained that day was less than a pound (about 3500 calories in a pound), and that's only if ALL of the calories went to fat, which they didn't- Most were keeping you going. I know it's disturbing when you wake up the next morning and your abs have disappeared in a pillow of fluff, but that should drain off in a couple of days as you start drinking a bunch of water and eating right. So don't beat yourself up too bad. Like I said, I has a suspicion it was your muscles begging for fuel.

Don't be afraid to add weight on to your lifting routine. That is where most of the muscle you seek will come from. My suspicion is that you will put it on pretty quick once you start doing this.

Try to keep your fruit in the morning and around your lifting times.

I hope this helps. You may have already known quite a bit of it. I was brainstorming.



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10/15/12 2:52 P

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Not really. I mostly do leangains but have the evening shift. I have a slightly smaller eating window. I workout between 6-7 for about 60 minutes 2-3x a week (depending on extracurricular activities). IF has little to do with time of day you workout.

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10/15/12 2:33 P

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I've heard really good things about intermittent fasting, but unfortunately it wouldn't work for me. I work from 6:30-4:30 everyday with a half hour commute, and then my Bjj training goes from 7-9pm. Generally on my lifting days I lift 5-6, which gives me a few minutes to drive home, have a post workout shake and change into my Bjj stuff before leaving again.

Most IF methods require working out earlier in the day than I'm able to. And I don't think I'd get through the first 6 hours of the work day without a breakfast, and I don't feel like running on pure coffee. Once I'm back at college, depending on my class schedule, I'll do some more looking into IF maybe. Couple (unemployed) guys at my gym swear by it.

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10/15/12 1:28 P

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leangains?

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10/15/12 1:25 P

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@Bill- I guess the biggest things would be to get someone else's opinion on how my macros look and also my food choices (at least on the days I don't super binge). I really like eating a big snack, typically a loaded sandwhich and apple, in the afternoon to get me through my training since I eat dinner around 9:30 when I finally get back to my apartment for the day. Feedback on just overall eating habits I guess.

As for where I want to be, I probably want too much, but I want to put some muscle back on by the time I leave my summer/fall internship in Decemeber and see all my college friends again. Problem is, I don't want to lose the abs that are suddenly visible as I strove to make featherweight. Shallow, I know, but I want to hold onto this definition. After last week of eating right I was back to just under 152 and looking good, then I binge on pizza and look every bit the extra 5 pounds the scale say I gained in the mirror (I know this will drop off in a couple days)

So I'm looking for a very lean bulk. I know I need to stop having these overboard nights, but I'm just wondering if the rest of what I'm doing is what I need to accomplish that. Mon through Fri nights, I do Bjj for about 2 hours, but I'm only tracking the time spent sparring, since that's the time that feels like a true workout. Rest of the time is very casual drilling and learning new techniques. Tues, Thurs, and Sat I lift basically a starting strength type program.

@YoJulez- Thanks for the response. I trimmed out a few carb and fat sources early in this week to help recover a little quicker from my Sunday mishap. And I understand on the carbs, they have always been my problem. I love fruit, which contributes a surprising amount, and I also love the convinience and warmth of oatmeal in the morning, and the fuel from sandwhich bread as my kind of pre-workout meal in the afternoon. I was trying this week to increase fat to try and lower carbs, but recipes got changed at the last moment and it ended up being more fat, but less protein instead. Dangit. Bought a bunch of greek yogurt and cottage cheese to offset this. When I go back to eating mainly chicken next week I'll look for other ways to raise fat and drop carbs.

I wish the things we chose to track for ourselves in myNutrition showed up in the shared trackers as well. I track fiber and am normally in the mid to high 30s (one good thing my love of fruit and carbs helps with). I gave up tracking sodium. I only do that when I have a fight coming up and need to make sure I eat basically non the week leading to the weigh in. I get deli sliced lunch meat, but even that is loaded with sodium, and when i grill chicken I don't want to take the time to measure the spices. I know I go over on that just about everyday. I never ever actually add table salt to anything tho. And I make 90% of all my meals, not pre packacked stuff. Biggest culprit in the lunch meat, and maybe cottage cheese or other dairy products.

Here's the hawaiian stir fry recipe. The ham and pineapple combination is great, although next time around I would use for oil for the stir frying. Pork cube steak was on sale for me, but really any pork/ham would do.

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And here's a recipe for the greatest meat balls ever. Just keep in mind that with that much rice in the "meat" ball, it counts as your side too haha. Old dirt poor, german farming family trick. Rice was cheaper than meat, and this made it stick to the kid's ribs better. Also makes it delicious.

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Thanks for the responces you two. Sorry this got so long. I kinda just drank a cup of coffee (yes, black) lol


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10/15/12 11:56 A

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Here's my response from the other thread:

First, I wouldn't beat yourself up over the one bad day this weekend. We all have them... check out my Saturday :-P I knew it would be bad since I was eating at a bar for lunch, and fast food for dinner at 11pm, but not that bad! But in the end, remember it all balances out. For me, I'm just eating a bit lighter this week to counteract the 500-600 or so extra calories I ingested on Saturday. Also remember, it takes 3500 calories to add even one pound of fat, so while you went over, you didn't go THAT over. So, I don't think you're killing all your hard work during the week at all. I mean, I don't think you should do that EVERY weekend, but once in awhile isn't going to ruin it all. The worst part of it is probably the sodium (pizza is the WORST for that), since that'll take a few days to work it's way out of your system. I would also say just remember how crappy you felt after eating all that junk, and hopefully it will help you to reign it in next time.

The only other thing I noticed was the carbs are a little high, but that's coming from my POV, you might need them since you work out so much. I also wish they allowed us to see sodium and fiber, since those do have a big effect on our nutrition. Your protein levels are crazy good though, I've been struggling lately to even hit 100.

But, overall, you're doing really well, you eat a lot of "good" foods and very little crap for the most part, which is more than I can say for a lot of folks. I'd also be curious to see your hawaiian stir fry recipe, it sounds good.

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Well, I could probably nitpick the hell out of your tracker (and mine), but that doesn't seem terribly productive. What is the impetus for this critique? Maybe if you're not getting where you want to be, we can start from there instead?

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10/15/12 9:59 A

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So, I could use a couple people to look at my trackers and give me feedback for how you think I'm doing as far as maintaining. And yes, this means feel free to look at my bad stuff too (weekends, office donuts) Too much? probably. I also pre tracked what I have in the fridge for leftovers and whatnot so you can look ahead as well if you wish. Please give me an honest review here or in a sparkmessage, even if it means berating me.

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