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2/26/07 6:00 A

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Thanks Shadow for the response. I definately had the chocolate day yesterday but still came in under calorie. I too like to see the fiber and cholesterol intake.

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Paula, you have started an interesting topic. What I have found in my life, is that if things are under control (usually meaning things need to be in order..the house, my diet) I do well, if I let things slip, I start having the "who cares" attitude and things get out of control (the house gets messy, the diet goes out the door). So yes, I think a healthy realization that obession can help one to feel better is necessary. I feel that when the "obession" effects others negatively, that is when we need to address it. Maybe "obession" is not the right word here, but you got me thinking anyway.

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2/25/07 5:43 P

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I completely agree with you Paula. I really obsess over planning and packing my foods. I think it is the secret to my success honestly. So yeah, lets make this obsession work for us!!!

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Thanks everyone... am glad to say I don't need to think of being hit by a bus to allow myself treats.

But like you said - there's always a new tomorrow and if the treats are real treats - then they don't happen so often that they become an issue.

My best of all treats is Cambozola cheese - I love it! I so look forward to the times when I decide I'm having some. I NEVER go for the light version, I always go for the best crackers or biscuits to go with it and I buy a chunk the size I'm going to allow myself to eat so I don't have to put any back in the fridge. I want to have the feeling of finishing it off!

So, I'm allowed to take that attitude to treats because I know I earn it with my precision about managing things the rest of the time..

ooooh - that's got me thinking of it now.... :)))))

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2/25/07 1:52 P

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I use the bus thing a lot too. I am learning to relax a bit. I officially did maintenance in January, but had been at goal and losing all through December. I feel like I need to keep a leash on. My leash is tracking my food. I let myself eyeball it a little here and there then measure to see if I am learning anything. I also find that I need something to focus on. Once I lost the weight I hit a panic of "now what?" Everyone is different but so much the same...

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2/25/07 1:45 P

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Paula - well said.

McGrath - I too am somewhat obsessive compulsive about tracking my food, more to make sure I'm getting enough of the right things and especially fiber. But sometimes you just have to give yourself a break. I couldn't quit eating junk and chocolate yesterday. And I just figured today is another day. You can't be good all the time. And I do find that my going crazy days are fewer and fewer (and sometimes they are hormone related).

A dorky saying I use is that if I get hit by a bus tomorrow, I'll be glad I had that cheesecake/ chocolate today.



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Hi, you are not alone in your belief... I too am like you, and I've already decided that the only time I could control my food is with guidelines...I'm learning everyday, but I'll always need support..be it counting calories or chatting with a team member to anchor me in the here and now.
Thanks for being so open about it...you've just put a voice to how I feel.

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This may be a controversial reply Trish (and I don't mean it to offend anyone) ... but having spent a lot of time studing behaviour (including my own) I believe that all human beings have the capacity for taking things to the point of obsession, some more than others, but also that we often fail to recognise that obsessions can be born out of some things that are naturally important to us.

An example... children thrive when they have safety and security. I don't mean the front door being locked, I mean the freedom to explore their feelings (play acting - being carefree - being allowed to get muddy without fear of being told off etc) and having confidence that the world will be fair to and reasonably predictable to them.

I believe that we all still have a child in us and one thing I've permanently struggled with is this "I am a full grown adult and I should be able to do this myself and not need help" thing. Also, we have this thing about variety and change - which I have found leads to disaster. Routine and predictability around my food is my key to success. It doesn't mean I have to eat the same things all the time, but there's little variation and I have a range of things I can rotate to keep things interesting and tasty. Without predictability and the security that comes with planning I find it stressful and hard to keep in control of it all and it all goes wrong. It needs a degree of obsessiveness for it to work for me - constant attention and not getting complacent.

I've spent years trying and failing to manage it myself and now, at last, I have accepted that there are things I am just never going to find easy or be good at. One of them is managing my food on my own without some kind of support structure (which is what Spark gives me).

The other is - the obsessive part of me needs to have something to focus on. I can either choose to give myself the freedom to count calories and be a detail junkie, or I can divert my attention into something else where I can do the 'detail' thing, but in a million years I am never going to be good at managing my food etc ON MY OWN so I might as well make full use of the obsessiveness and let it play a part where it's going to make a great and positive difference.

So, I am obsessive about calories and other things I do but I'm happy doing that because some obsessive people wash their hands a million times a day, clean the house over and over and over without being able to stop and some extreme ones even stalk people (I appreciate they can be medical conditions etc, but taken to extremes - all things can be).

For me (and I am saying ONLY for me) counting calories and admitting to myself that I will always need to, in some way, is part of being human.

I admire people that don't have to - but I'm not one of them.

Love Paula

ps. please don't shout at me - it's only 'my take' on it. I have been stupidly obsessive about lots of things for years - quite beyond the realms of normality - so this is a very personal issue for me too.

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2/25/07 10:27 A

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Does anybody find that they have become obsessive compulsive about what/how you are eating? If I don't stick to 100% HEALTHY eating, I fritz out - even though I have been maintaining a couple of months now. I guess that is what the maintenance is about, but I sure would like to enjoy eating a piece of real chocolate and not having a tiz over it.

I have an addictive personality anyway, so maybe it will go away with time.

Wish I could get addicted to exercise, though.

Anybody every done Zumba?

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HI CamKathy. My brothers health was a small factor in my life change. I wanted to feel better about me and be happier. But his 4 stents at 42 did seem to keep lurking in the back of my mind since I will be 38 this year.

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-Rest...then figure out more
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2/25/07 1:01 A

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This is a good thread with some helpful ideas. Thanks. One of the things I need to keep in front of my mind is that I want to be/stay healthy and that means sticking with good foods. In other words I need to remember it wasn't just the weight loss to look better that I started all this. I had a big wake up call to that when my brother recently had to have stent put in his heart because of a blocked artery.

Laura: I'm with you about the leftover calories...just because we have them left doesn't mean we HAVE too consume them.

Congrats Didi on reaching goal. This is a good group to stick with...they stick with you and even check up on you if you are not heard from in a while

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I am with you Shani. Epecially the day after a hard run. I do every 3-4 hours and feel good on that schedule.

Don't set your limits until you have tested them...

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--5/1 Kenosha, WI Cheesehead Marthon
-6/5 Sunburst Hall of Fame to Notre Dame marathon, IN
-Rest...then figure out more
-10/10 Towpath Marathon
-12/5 Dallas Whiterock Marathon
-12/13 Run like the Dickens 10k
-12/31 New Years Resolution 8k-try for a 4peat

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Shadow, I agree with you on that. My coworkers are the type who can eat a sandwich for lunch and that's it for the day. I can't manage anything of the sort.

I typically have a fruit around 10am, another at 1:30 (I find I really crave something sweet after lunch, and a banana works), and the last around 4pm, which helps me keep going until dinner.

I drink a lot of water in between. I've started evaluating my hunger status to my water quotient. If I'm hungry and behind on water, I'll have more water first, and then re-evaluate. More then half the time, I realize I'm not so hungry!

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2/23/07 5:27 P

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Me too. In fact, in all of this, I found out that I am mildly hypoglycemic. Basically after 3 hours after eating my blood sugar level tanks. Most people can make it 4 hours... so the snacks make all the difference. Before I was binging because I felt so shaky and nauseous. I wonder how many other people have problems with their weight because of sugar imbalances...

Shani

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Shadow wrote: I also find that if I eat every 3 hours or so, it really helps. Even if its just a piece of fruit or some yogurt If I go too long without eating, I tend to overeat when I do eat.

THIS IS SO TRUE! I do the same thing... 3hrs is my deadline and I never let myself get to the point where my body is hungry and demanding - that way my head (not my stomach) makes the decisions about 'what and how much'

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2/23/07 10:50 A

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I don't really consider these rules for myself, but this is what works for me.

I don't deprive myself. For instance, if there is birthday cake or coffee cake at work and I want some, I have just a little piece. Then I don't feel like I've missed anything, but its not enough to ruin my day. If I get a craving for Arby's or something like that, I'll wait until the weekend, after I've run 5 or 6 miles and then enjoy every bite of my roast beef sandwich and fries. I don't out and out splurge very often though. I do have small treats, like hershey kisses, bite sized candy bars, WW giant fudge bars (YUM!).

I also find that if I eat every 3 hours or so, it really helps. Even if its just a piece of fruit or some yogurt. If I go too long without eating, I tend to overeat when I do eat.

I really enjoy reading the posts on this team, but I don't have much time to post myself. You are all very inspirational to the rest of us.

Bessie - my DH also makes sausage and ground hamburger that is very low fat so we can all enjoy it.

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2/22/07 9:16 P

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ALSO ONE WAY I STAY ON TRACK IS TO PLAN OUT WHAT IM GOING TO EAT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND PUT IT IN TRACKER TO MAKE SURE IM IN RANGE

BESSIE

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IM VERY GLAD TO SEE THIS POST ALSO. I HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING SINCE JUNE. SLIPPED UP WHEN I GOT SICK AND FELL BELOW MY WEIGHT SO I HAD TO BRING IT BACK UP. I WAS IN HOSPITAL FOR 4 DAYS AND DID NOT EAT SO I DROPPED 11 POUNDS THAT I DID NOT NEED TO DROP.

FOR ME MAINTAINING HAS BEEN FAIRLY EASY. I MAINLY EAT AT HOME BUT IF I DO NEED TO EAT OUT THEN IT IS USUALLY FISH WITHOUT THE BUTTER OR GRILLED CHICKEN. HUBBY MAKES FABULOUS MEALS THAT ARE OW FAT AND CALORIE. SO I REALLY DONT HAVE TO LIMIT MYSELF TO ANYTHING.

HUBBY EVEN MAKES SAUSAGE SO THAT IT IS HEALTHY FOR ME BECAUSE I LOVE SAUSAGE. HE ALSO MAKES MY GROUND BEEF. JUST LEAVES THE FAT OUT OF IT SO I AM ABLE TO EAT IT. PLUS I DONT EAT BREAD. IT SITS HARD ON MY STOMACH.

MY EATING HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. I STILL TRACK TO MAKE SURE THAT I EAT ENOUGH. THAT IS MY PROBLEM NOW. I JUST DONT EAT ENOUGH EVERYDAY.

I TAKE A VITAMIN DAILY AND GET ENOUGH PROTIEN.

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Well, I find that I have to really *think* about what I'm going to eat because I fall into old habits too easily, mostly because my family hasn't made the changes I've made and I have all sorts of things in my home that *suddenly* have become temptations. I didn't use to be tempted by chips but I found myself grabbing a few today. I think it is boredom. So much for breaking that habit!

So my rules are to track and plan my meals. I pack my lunch for work instead of eating what is provided there (which normally is double or triple the calories I'd need in a single meal). I exercise regularly. I eat more fruits and vegetables and I rarely if ever eat fried foods.

In addition to the obvious change in my body, the biggest changes I've seen (more than the weight loss) is an increase in energy, confidence, memory and strength. I've sparked a few people at work too. In fact one is a new sparkperson... :) And she loves what the change in foods have done for her energy! Gotta love it!

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I am still re-evaluating the rules and find that I may need to do that for a long time. I have noticed that I am getting a bit loose with "treats". Just becuase I have calories left doesn't mean I need to use them right?

I am also commited to staying with my main team and helping the others along the way. We all learn from each other and I like that.

I am also still very rigid with tracking. In fact I was studying it a bit yesterday and noticing that my carb number has been creeping up. Still in range, but that tells me I could be using my food in a better way. This is all new thinking for me and I really like that I have become in tune with my body.

I also like the fact that I have become a runner. And I enjoy it. I ran my first 10k saturday and won my age class of 35-39 with a time of 56:00.

I just am starting to feel different in so many ways it is hard to list them all. Funny that most are not physical. I feel better about me and that makes me happier. More happiness is helping with my marriage and changing it in good ways. That change is leading us in a better path and it is just spinning from there. Funny that I lost more weight in baggage than I did in pounds...

Don't set your limits until you have tested them...

Upcoming 2010 Races:
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--4/11 Martian Marathon
--4/25 Road Ends Trail 1/2
--5/1 Kenosha, WI Cheesehead Marthon
-6/5 Sunburst Hall of Fame to Notre Dame marathon, IN
-Rest...then figure out more
-10/10 Towpath Marathon
-12/5 Dallas Whiterock Marathon
-12/13 Run like the Dickens 10k
-12/31 New Years Resolution 8k-try for a 4peat

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I think I'm in the same boat - I think I get it now (we'll see in the long run!). I treated this, from the get-go, as NOT a diet but as a way to adjust and shore up my eating habits forever (we'll see). I exclusively used Spark People, because I often "cheated" at Weight Watchers and it didn't work for me.

So, I'd go out to eat. Hmm. Menu full of wonderful foods. What did I want? I tried a lot more new items while I was losing weight, based on the descriptions. I'd pull away from the fried and butter coated foods for something that might be healthier. Unless I wanted a salad for dinner, I didn't necessarily have one. I didn't want to lose weight, feel deprived, and go back to the old habits once I reached my goal. I needed to know how to eat and if it meant I was going to lose half a pound a week until I lost my weight... so be it.

And so it was. :) I still make better choices. If we go to McDonalds (which we do! because I'm a sucker for their fries), my husband and I split the two cheeseburger meal - half a serving of fries and a cheeseburger. Healthiest option? Oh, no, but I wasn't in the drive thru, smelling the fries and only eating lettuce. And I wasn't ordering my old Quarter Pounder meal.

For me, I've learned the give and take.

But the other part of it has been learning to exercise, regularly and enjoy it. For me, the most important thing I wanted to get out of my weight loss effort was to get into an exercise pattern. I have a family history of... you name it, it's probably in my family. For much of it, regular exercise is what will help in the forever sense. Sure, losing 30 pounds was very important, but exericse will help me keep it off. And exercise will help with my cholesterol.

I reached my goal the week of (US) Thanksgiving 2006. What a trecherous time, right? I pulled through, though, and was up only a pound when the holidays ended. Success! With a sinus infection, two head colds, a trip to my parents, a trip to his parents, and a trip to Disney World in between, this is probably a bigger success than I think it is.

For eating, adjusting to more calories in a healthy way has really been a challenge for me. So much of what people say here has helped. I'll add a slice of (low fat) cheese to my tuna sandwich. Perhaps a whole wheat bagel instead of the whole wheat pitas, too.

I'm not going anywhere - I still need the food tracker and the other people like me here on Spark People. I'm probably the quiet support person, but I'm around and I think that shows people that we don't all vanish!

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Thanks for the new thread! I have to make some more of these rules for myself!! I have been at or around my maintenance weight since Oct. I am not regaining weight but I find that it is easy to slip back into the habits that I thought were gone - eating a snack in the evening after dinner, having "just another" small sweet treat during the day etc. I have given up the fried food and only very rarely will I eat a few french fries off my kids' plate in a restaurant. I couldn't imagine PAYING for that kind of food! I need to find a balance between my increased protein intake (which I am doing for muscle building - see my spark page) and eating as many fresh fruits and veggies as I need!

Good to see the board traffic picking up!!

Lenore

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Hi, I'm only just learning the "new rules"!!! Only got to goal one week ago. It's all so new to me. I'm really happy to see activity on this board. I was begining to feel a tad lost emoticon . Maybe I'll pick up some wisdom for the replies. I like the idea of adding a little at a time and the change of treats....never thought of that before. Thanks for the info.It gives me something to think about. Chat later, Didi emoticon

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Love your mail Serendipity ...

I could have written it myself (well most of it). I'm with you on the 'in it for the long haul to support others' - not least because it will keep me focussed too!

I'm with you on the 'treats have changed completely' and as for fried foods - I can't help feeling that it now feels like a kind of abuse to eat that kind of stuff when there are REAL treats out there. I am also wheat and potato free so it's sometimes hard to find treats though.

I now get off on things like... Roquefort and Cambozola cheeses, Stuffed Olives, Speciality Farm Made Coconut Flavour Yoghurt, Grilled Danish Salami etc ... stuff with 'bowl you over' flavours that your tastebuds confirm you've had something special.

Attitude - yep - I get a bigger kick out of looking after myself, being strong and setting an amazing example for others to follow than I ever do by the feeling of having eaten the sweets/crisps/cakes and other snack foods I'm surrounded with. Doesn't bother me if they don't follow my lead, or if it takes them 6 months to contemplate doing things differently - I just keep doing what I know works. They'll question things when they're ready if it's what they want.

With you all the way!

The only thing I'm struggling with - like you said - is moving away from the rigidity of my 'losing' phase.

I like your idea about changing one small thing at a time. I think I'll make one small change per week - then it will satisfy my personal need to have a long term plan rather than a quick fix.

Right now though - I'm going for my lunchtime run. I don't need to do it for calories, but I love doing it for my feel-good-fix so I'm keeping that habit for good!

Happy days - thanks for the mail - very thought provoking.

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It sure is sleepy around here!! Thanks for the topic. For me, learning not to overeat has been key. Although I try to eat healthy I am not as good as I could be, but, I am very mindful each day of how much I eat and I do stay within range most days without even trying. I find I choose to eat more of the right things these days so I still manage to keep the sodium and other nutrients in the ball park. Once the dust settles and I am unpacked I hope to get back to tracking my food and my exercise daily because I find I do better when I track.

I was at my goal weight when I joined Spark..so my main reasons for being here are similar to yours. It's all about maintaining focus, keeping myself motivated and not forgetting all the hard work I put into getting here.

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Who knows where?"


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This group seems to be a bit sleepy so I thought I'd start a new topic. I'm a member of another forum and have noticed there that many of the members drop off the face of the earth when they reach goal. I've been a memeber there for 1.5 years and early on decided to stay and support other losers and strugglers after I reached goal. I'm so glad I did because it helps me to keep focused on my maintenance plan.

I've learned so much this go round, but I think the most important thing I learned was that I could not abandon my weight loss plan entirely when I reached goal. I was careful to slowly add new foods. I continue to eat 6 small meals a day, so I'm never hungry. Every time I lost weight in the past, I would go back to old habits and gain it all back. Something clicked in my brain this time.....thank God.... and I finally understood what I've read and been told a million times.

Attitude changes are hard to find sometimes, but can be so rewarding. I finally don't feel deprived when I pass up a piece of pie. Inside, I'm telling myself how strong I am to put my health first. When I need to be reminded, I just look in the mirror, see what I have accomplished, and there's no question that my decision is to continue eating right. I love my new body and my new life more than food! Sure, occasional treats are in the mix, but I think that making those treats occasional is the key.

Speaking of treats: My defination of treat has changed. My treats used to be anything chocolate. Now my list of treats includes pizza, pasta, mashed potatoes, corn, bread, lots of foods. Fried foods don't even make the treat list. All of the foods I used to eat daily are now considered treats and are not touched unless I am at or below my goal weight and unless I haven't had a free meal in at least a week. What can I say....I've become good at making rules for myself and sticking to them.

It's working for me. What works for you?

"Grandma, how did you make yourself so little?" My grandson, Jake


 
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