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9/22/12 9:17 A

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Nell. I love " There is no magic. There is no secret." So true. It is just staying focused and determined no matter if you do not feel like it or are discouraged. You are right about most people not listening to you or accepting what you say about your efforts.

I always hated the comments from little kids who asked if I was pregnant..due to being overweight.

I am pretty sure the registry will accept a dr's note instead of pictures. I will let you know when i finally get my packet. They are either overloaded or not efficient.

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9/21/12 9:23 P

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Actually, I brought it up because I've lost my weight without tracking, purposely limiting calories, or even exercising much. I've been using the same habits for 32 months and stabilized for 6 of those. I don't find it that hard and don't worry constantly about gaining the weight back. However, it wasn't fast. I just never quit my basic plan, though I wobbled at times. I think the fact that I was concentrating on habits, not weight loss, saved me. I was determined to find a way to live more peacably and joyfully with food and my body. I think there are alternatives that some people might find more "palatable," but they would have to be coached in patience even more than the average dieter. But it would open another door.

This is not to discount those who have found success. There are just so many failures, I know there are options and I'd like to see more support for all viable long-term practices.

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9/21/12 7:25 P

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Oohlala, I saw a tv show long ago that showed a man who had lost his voicebox to cancer from smoking and had to breathe through a hole in his neck. He held his cigarettes to the hole to keep smoking. I know he said he was addicted, but plenty of people quit. What is the difference between those who quit and those who don't? That's pretty much the same question here.

I think the idea that just getting to goal weight makes you "normal", as if you had never been overweight in the first place, is the biggest stumbling block. We believe it because we really really want to believe it. It isn't true, and people find out by gaining it back. How do you crack that desperately held belief? If weight gain were more dramatic, like gaining it all back in one day, it would be easier to believe in reality, but time allows people to convince themselves that they are fine. Until the day they step on the scale and realize they aren't.

There are no words. All we can do is stand as examples for people to ask us How. Then they listen or they don't. I stay at goal for my own comfort and help others as they ask. Most don't. They don't want to hear what they don't want to hear. It's true for people who just "can't lose the weight" and it's true for people who can't keep it off. There is no magic, there is no secret.

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Although I think the NWLR is a fascinating read, and some of the principles have helped me, the fact is that they still represent a very small number of people who have attempted to lose weigtht. We need to continue to look for alternatives for those who don't make it with the traditional offerings.

I would like to know why they use 30 lbs. as their criterion weight, though I am glad that they do not demand that a person get to a specifically low weight.

I also don't understand why they don't spend more time trying to understand why some people actually ARE successful sticking to procedures that so many have not. They did say that there was at least a correlation to the participant having had a significant health issue that might have made the changes seem more crucial. And yet you read of so many people who have developed health issues and are still not motivated to alter their lifestyles. I would like to understand the mindset more.

Humans can be tough cookies. Changing habits is hard, even when the stakes are high. One study followed people who needed to use eyedrops three times a day to avoid going blind in the affected eye. A sizable number did not follow the protocol and went blind, and a percentage of them had already gone blind in one eye because of non-compliance! Eating consistently differently is definitely harder than that.

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9/21/12 3:04 P

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Oh Nell you surely said a mouthful there. I bet many of us have those memories. The day in the grocery store when the cute little boy came up to me with delight on his face and said "Look MOMMA It's a GIANT"
The day I sat down in the chair in the coffee room and it slowly collapsed to the floor. And the months after that when people talked about that day. Of course I had to laugh along.
The day I got a big package that would not fit into my car, and the guys tied it on the roof for me, tying my doors shut ???? why didn't I notice, and I got stuck in the car window trying to get out.
No. None of this is joking. But you are right about the pain, this is ALL funny now. I locked myself out of the house a few weeks ago and got back in through the dog door.

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9/21/12 2:46 P

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Even without photos, certain memories of being fat are seared into my brain. Like the kid who looked at me riding my bike and said "boy you have the biggest butt!" Or not getting to be a cheerleader in high school because I "just looked too heavy out there". Or not getting the lead in the senior play because I was too fat. Or my father calling me Lardbucket. It's been a long time, but I remember every word. It just doesn't hurt anymore. I think that is one of the great things about maintaining for a long time. The pain really does recede.

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9/21/12 12:40 P

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Just saying also, I kind of have to smile at the picture thing. I don't have many either, but my Mom was real bad about sneaking up on people then hiding the pictures. Since I have lived in this same area for the entire time also, I have people who attest to my delightful abundance. One good friend of mine likes to tell a story of me at a girl scout camp out, crawling into a pup tent with my great dane that I had at the time (Shenanigan).
And the Weight Watchers people. They keep records FOREVER.

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For people who want to join this round, I cannot say that it is identical to the original questionnaires that I got when I joined, but no one ever asked me how many calories I was eating. Just how many servings of this and that. If you low carb you will put data in there that demonstrates low carb people. I think that would be great.
For documentation, I did have pictures, but at the time they would accept my records from my family doctor showing a difference in weight of the required amount.


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9/21/12 9:04 A

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It would be neat to be part of the study, but like Nell, I hid from the camera or insisted on waist-up only shots (since with my pear shape, the weight was most apparent from the waist down). Oh well, guess it's not for me, but I'll continue to eat breakfast, weigh daily, and exercise on home equipment.
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9/21/12 8:48 A

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National Weight Loss Registry is a TERRIFIC project and I believe one-of-a-kind:

www.nwcr.ws/

I highly recommend it to successful maintainers! They are doing research there which can help others learn what it takes to maintain...and being a part of this is pretty cool!

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9/21/12 8:44 A

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I applied to the National Weight Loss Registry. It has taken me 6 weeks to finally get a phone call saying my package is in the mail. I do not have photos either and will use my dr's note for document.

I have heard that they stress counting calories. I count carbs and am wondering how I will fit in with their data.

I do weigh daily, exercise daily, and eat breakfast daily.
This is hard some days..most of the time I can handle the weight fluctuation, but some days, I get discouraged and say..I am tired of being so vigilant and working hard to keep this off.
However, there is no other choice but to keep accountable and to keep yourself on track,

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9/21/12 8:12 A

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9/20/12 9:49 P

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Nell, another important quality that most maintainers share is their willingness to help others to lose and maintain and you more than fit that bill - and we are all so very grateful. As for the study, well, I only really do two out of the three on a regular basis, maybe that is why, when I broke my arm last year, it was so easy for me to pack back on some of the weight I had lost. Does running count as home exercise....even though it is mostly outside?


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9/20/12 8:28 P

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Wow- I do all of these: eat breakfast, weigh myself daily and exercise on home equipment". Although these days I'm feeling very much in control, I was starting to feel like I was spiralling upwards again. Unlike the past, I was able to put on the brakes.
So appreciate all the well researched tips and advice offered through this group.
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Wing is a class act. Any study that size is going to have flaws but it is the gold standard anyway for that kind of thing . I have seen some stinkers too. Nursing has qualitative research as a function of the profession, being so wrapped up in health teaching and figuring out how to motivate people to do things they don't care to do (lifestyle change). There are a lot of studies that are often almost opinion pieces, and we are taught to look for bias.
They are doing another set of studies I think. Wing and Others at Brown. I am not sure but I think it is a diabetes study.

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9/20/12 6:46 P

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Indeed self-reported data and survey-based studies don't have the control that clinical trials do.

They fill a different niche, coming at the questions from a different sort of angle.

And maintenance studies and data are so dang sparse, I'm happy to read whatever people can get past peer review.

(I've read some real stinkers of research papers in the area, too, where the authors don't report some of the most important things you'd want to know, and dance around what it means in the discussion. Fortunately I've never seen anything bad like that come out of Wing's group.)

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I am a member since I can't remember when. I have photos but at t.he time I joined they also wanted my higher weight documented. The weight watchers book did that for me and a note from a dr who saw me at 330 something. I know they asked for a lot, and for years they sent me Huge things to fill out. how many servings of this, how many of that. Now they just send me an annual thing to report my weight. I teach nursing, and have worked with others on several research studies, and the interesting thing about the NWCR although they are careful to verify start weights once you are in you are on your own for reporting. you could regain and not report. Or if you did not have a food journal you could seriously mess up their documentation of what you are eating. It is nowhere near a valid clinical trial. Still. I completely agree from personal experience that exercise is a key part of maintenance. My regain this last time began with a pretty bad bicycle accident. I think most of what they publish is above average qualitative data

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Nell, we like your voice, loud and clear, right here.

We don't need it buried among a bunch of statistical data, anyway. Probably no one loves the scientific research on maintenance more than I do, (seriously, as anyone I've cornered can attest, I can talk about it for hours).

But having real-life advice from people who have lived it, long-term, is very very valuable in its own right. There aren't even any studies that go beyond 20 years, as far as I know. You provide perspective from more than double that!

So I, for one, don't care that you didn't have sufficient documentation to get pooled in with all of the other NWCR data. We've got YOU, in person, right here!

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I wrote for information. They sent me a long questionnaire and asked for photos. I remembered the answers to a lot of them, but I don't even remember the exact day I stood on the scale and saw 114. And photos? I had managed to avoid being photographed most of the time, threw out the ones that had me front and center. From the surviving photos, you'd think that all I was in high school was a head. There were some real advantages to the pre-digital age. But no photos, no registry for me.

But that's OK. I'll be going back for my 45th high school reunion in a few weeks. That is the one group that still remembers me as fat, but I doubt they'll mention it much. While many of them still look as great as they did back then, many others have gained weight. As long as they look happy, they'll look great, too. It's funny how all the antipathies of high school fade away as the years go by. After all, besides family, what other group of people knew us as kids? With that in common, we'll have a great time.

I still want a great dress, though! Gotta go shopping!

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Yup, the NWCR is a class act.

There are several blog posts about their studies and those of other research groups who focus on maintainters, in our team links:
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A recent blog post was written by TINAJANE76:
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Our Team Goals, in fact, are aligned with the key maintenance behaviors and predictors identified by NWCR research.

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9/20/12 5:54 P

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In the book, Influencer, The Power to Change Anything, they cite the National Weight Control Registry on 3 vital behaviors they discovered by those who have lost 30+ lbs and kept it off for more than 6 yrs. The behaviors are: eat breakfast, weigh themselves daily, and exercise on home equiptment. I thought this was interesting. Also helpful to look at those who have succeeded ahead of you.

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