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This topic got me to wondering just what ARE our ranges in measurements?

So for fun I've added a new feature to the maintenance anniversaries that I'll try to keep anonymous - people can now put in their height, center of weight range, % body fat, waist circumference, and hip circumference. It's totally optional, just like the # of pounds lost has always been.

This is just to see the variety of where we all are, without any names attached.

Here are the charts, so far:

BMI and % body fat
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Distribution of BMI values
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Waist to Height ratios
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Waist to Hip ratios
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If you want to add your data to the scatterplots and bar graphs representing the variety of us, you can just fill out the form again.
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(your old entry will be deleted)

Enjoy!

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9/1/12 2:34 P

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NancyAnne: Overall, I agree with you. I was mainly really annoyed at that chart. It seems a bit insane to think that someone of such and such height should have such and such a waist. It never says what the ideal waist is based on and I suspect it is not health. IE one can whittle down their waste and work on different parts of the body to a degree, but only to a degree and you seem to get that. And yes, I have a distinctive waist now, but my waist will never vary a ton compared to the rest of me, no matter what I loose/do. Do wish it could be smaller, as the loose skin and fat that still seems to be there, even though I have reached goal weight, is very annoying. Then when I only found two sites that use the chart in my first full screen of google results and the other had the line I quoted, I further questioned that chart and is real applicability to healthy waistlines. So don't take my comments to mean I was disagreeing with you, as long as you don't slim down to that 24 inch waist you said you had done before. Then I think you are taking it too far, but then you thought the same.

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I have managed to change my pear shape to an hour glass with more sand in the bottom. I can get, and have gotten, down to a true hourglass shape, but my body fat is so low when I do so that it's not healthy nor realistic to maintain.

It is true that you have to work within your own bodily limitations. My body wants to have fuller hips and thighs. Yours may want a thicker waist. Does this mean I don't strive to keep my body fat down to a healthy level, which in turn makes my hips and thighs more proportionate? No. Likewise, people with naturally thicker waists don't need to feel resigned to throwing up their hands and saying "What's the use?". There is a use- if you lose weight, your body fat goes down, and some of it is bound to come out of your waistline. This will do nothing but help but your health AND your appearance.

It's your body, it's your choice, it's your business. But I've helped enough people to know that you aren't necessarily stuck with what you've got. I've seen folks build up butts that thought they could never have them, or shoulders who thought they were always going to more resemble a bowling pin. And yes, even work the waist and eat in such a way that they develop an indent and the waistline they thought they could never have. You can always build a healthier version of you if you are willing to put in the time and hard work.

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I agree with you Skirner -- we will stay the same body type, even after losing to our goal weight. I know NancyAnne has modified by doing strength training and I think this is also true -- that you can make the best of what you have through strength training.

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Found one other website that uses the same chart as the reference that was posted here.

www.buzzle.com/articles/waist-measur
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And the article ends with this quote... "Now that you have gone through the ideal waist measurement chart and checked your waist, you should set your goal of attaining perfect body shape. Regular exercise, balanced diet and stress-free lifestyle help maintain hormonal balance and can make you active and happy. You only decide, which body shape you want, apple, banana, pear or hourglass. Only a little bit of discipline and control over mind is needed to achieve the desired goal."

I looked up a number of web sites and none seem to say that there is an ideal waste, some suggest a hip to waist ratio, and many say the under 30 inch waist for women, but none seem to suggest lower than that, other than the two who used the above chart. And ending with that line? I mean, one can somewhat change their body measurements, but I don't think one can be a banana and change to an hour glass, I just don't think so. Part of our body shape is what we are born with. We can slim down and tone it up, but that is all we can do. If we strive for that hourglass shape and weren't born with it, we may very well wind up bullemic or anorexic.

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Interesting. I also have to say that that chart seems rather small to me and I wonder if it is really based on health or not. IE I have heard the over such and such waist is bad for you, but never heard of a smaller waist is always better either. One can get too thin.

My waist has gone from a 33 to around a 29/30 with loosing just over 50 pounds. I am at goal weight in that it is a healthy weight for someone 5'3" and if I loose anymore they won't let me donate blood. But how does one loose more inches on their waist and not loose weight? Seems to me most things say you can tone up muscles, but you can only loose fat by loosing weight. Is that accurate?

And if I am supposed to have a waist of 25 to 25.5 like the chart says, I doubt that is ever going to happen no matter how much I work at it and not sure it would be worth it either.



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I was speaking of genetics regarding the proportion. I will never have an hourglass figure. My waist will never be 10" less than my hips or bust. When I was in high school, all the girls were working for that perfect 21" waist. I just got fat; there was no way my waist would be 21". That's 21" when you are at repose, not sucking it in. And there were some girls who got to 21"; they were the most popular girls in school. It didn't last past the first baby, though, and none of them ever got it back. At some age we have to give up the dream of the perfect 21 inch waist.

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Completely agreed, Going4Healthy! I am not genetically set up for wide shoulders and back, but I've built them up to help my hips make sense.

I've said before and I'll say again that the wonderful thing about our bodies is that we're not stuck with what we've got- God has given us the ability to reshape them, if we are willing to do the work. Yay, God!

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While genetics does have a say in our body shape, it doesn't *have* to have the final say. Sure, I'll never have a Jennifer Lopez butt, as that's not in the cards, but l *can* alter the shape of it, with training.

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I absolutely agree that genetics plays a part. But if it is in your genetics to have a small waist and you are not making sure you respect that genetic makeup (in other words, if you are not working to keep it that way), you are doing your health a serious disservice.

My concern is that making it sound like it's of minimum benefit to have a smaller waistline for EVERYONE is going to put people in the mindset that it's not a goal worth shooting for in regards to ones health. And it is.

Genetically I take after my mom. If she had respected her health, she would have a small waist to this day. But because she had a "who cares?" attitude, she is suffering a plethora of health issues- to include type 2 diabetes, kidney failure, and a triple bypass.

I don't normally like to jump up and down about things, but when it comes to people's health and safety the trainer in me really feels a responsibility to speak up.

Be the best you that you can be. This will put you in the best health possible.

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Not everyone has a well defined waist. Check out ballerinas and gymnast. They are pretty much straight up and down. Thin but straight. At some point genetics does play a part.

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wow that collective wisdom chart says I'm still 2.5 inches away from "ideal", that's quite a bit. I was thinking more like one lol. I really don't think I need to be a 2. I really don't even feel I need to be a 4 but I am just starting to see the top of my abs which is pretty awesome so I'm kind of pushing to see more of them lol

but i'm well under the half my height rule. I wonder if that's more geared toward men? my husband is 5'9" and he'd look pretty good with a 34.5" waist... I think.

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That rule would not apply to me, at all. I'm 5'3" and my waist would then need to remain at 31.5 and that number would not look too pretty, IMO, as that number would then match, almost identically, with my other measurements. I'd look like a Q-Tip, with the bottom fluff broken off! emoticon

This is what my shape would look like...30/31.5/31 emoticon

This is what my shape is now...30/24/31 emoticon

So, see, without my tiny waist, my body would have no curve to it, at all. emoticon

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OOLALA- I'd be interested in knowing your sources. I read a LOT so that I can give the most up to date information to my personal training clients (and I'm just a nerd about stuff to do with health), and every scientific study I've run across on the subject says that the smaller the waist circumference, the lesser the risk of heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes. But primarily diabetes. And it's not an insignificant reduction in risk, either: It makes a real difference. But the fact is that even if it were just a small decrease in risk of getting a horrible disease it would be worth it to me. Quite frankly, I can't get far enough away from developing it, since my mother and her entire side of the family are riddled with it. I'll work as hard as I can to make my risk as minute as possible, even if it's just a small margin.

I'm not underweight- I weigh 160 at 5'9" with the 26 1/2 inch waist. And I'm not a celebrity. Although I play one in real life. emoticon

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I do use the hip to waist ratio calculator here @ SP right now it gives me 0.80 ratio which is low risk pear shape my waist is 32 right now which I feel is to big I'm hoping to get my waist back to 28"

If I used the formula you found I'm 5'3" waist would be around 31.5" (which is very close to where I am right now) on me my waist looks large.

Guess it all comes down to how you look in your own eyes and if you are happy with the way you look.

Another awesome topic and thanks Nancy for the link on waist to height I just found out about waist to height

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The advantages to health become very small after a woman (or man) reach the cutoff for risk factors. This is 31" for women. The chart referred to I believe is considered an esthetic ideal, not a health ideal. Many women shoot for weights far below what they need to be for simple health issues. It doesn't mean there isn't some advantage to being even smaller, but it's small for the effort involved, unless it occurs naturally. I'm convinced it's part of the reason maintenance is reported to be so hard.

The celebrities are likely underweight, as are many. Their BMI's are often lower than the average BMI of women in countries known for starvation in their populations. I don't like using the media for our ideals. I wish there were more public images of women at healthy weights to use as reference. However, our eyes have been so influenced by media that I think we might not accept that they are in fact very healthy. In fact, many formerly obese people aren't really helped that much more by getting to their normal BMI range. Their biggest health advantage comes from getting out of the obese range and into the overweight range, or to lose 10% of their weight. And surprisingly, one study showed that excess lean body mass as well as fat mass is associated with an increase in chronic disease. Just because a higher waist size can indicate greater risk factors does NOT mean the smaller the waist, the better.

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The truth is that when I have cut in (dieted down for a competition or photos), I got down to a 24" waist and 150 lbs. I am 5'9", and it leaves me pretty willowy that small. The photo to the left I have a 24" waist. 26 1/2 is my norm.

Like I said, we have to respect our own bodies individuality. When I was overweight I wondered if I could ever have a tight waist again. I was surprised when it happened! So you can't know what you are capable of until you get there.

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wow, i got some great responses here!

i especially liked the link from nancyanne which talked about kate middleton (5'10" / 23" waist) and marilyn monroe (23" waist and 5' 5.5") and she was just right. and taylor swift?! 5'10" with a 24" waist!? i am by no means aiming for that.

i was just curious, i have never been at an ideal weight, at least not where i could see myself that way. and i have a big frame. i am quite sure that when you are obese as a child your bones need to be bigger to carry the extra weight and will never recover so you "have to work with what God gave ya". as you all have been through, my body is changing, i found my rib cage lol, and i think i lost a shoe size too. and the boundless energy is amazing.

on the your measurements page it says to enter your waist to hip ratio and that led to google surfing which led to this question.

i WILL be back next spring to tell you what my waist is because by then i WILL be maintaining!

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All I know is the way I figured what my personal ideal waist size was. I just logged onto my favorite stores website... the store I cant always afford but would shop solely from if money was no object. picked the size that I thought sounded "perfect" small 6 ( at the time, I'm now thinking 4 ) looked at their size charts and aimed for what they consider a 6 to be.

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Thanks for saying that, Rose. Being a newbie on here I tend to hold back a bit- Don't want to get lynched this early in the game. :-)

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In losing sixty pounds, I was able to shrink my waist from
35' to 25'. I am way, way past menopause. I was shocked
how my waist expanded and my body reshaped when I was
going through that stage of life.

I am not sure, but I think it was a combination
of HIIT, low-glycemic diet, and a daily visualization of
seeing my waist measuring 25' that helped me.

More and more research is indicating that waist size is
a significant measure of our health and longevity.
One recent study reported that normal weight people
who carried extra abdominal fat were more at risk than
the obese for heart disease.

www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/
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My waist is not as low as the chart recommends, but if you look at the last column, it gives you a healthy/unhealthy range. I took that to mean that my waist to height ratio could go up to 48%. As long as mine stays less than 30 inches I am happy. (right now it is about 28.5)

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I was just putting it up for reference, Phebess.

As a 5'9" pear shape with a waist smaller than the measurements on the chart I can tell you that you just need to play into your strengths. A small waist is one of mine, but the hips? Not so much. Do the best you can with what God gave 'ya.

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My waist will NEVER be small - I'm straight up and down with broad shoulders, and have never had a small waist, even when I was at my ideal weight.

Plus hourglass shaped women are going to have a smaller waist than those of us with other shapes.

BMI is a good guide, but also doesn't take into account frame size and muscle - some people are just heavier due to large bones and a lot of muscle. And certain ethnic groups have different builds - think of strong Russian or Polish women versus willowy British women - could be the same height and weight, but the body structure is just totally different.

That is NOT to say that we shouldn't strive for less fat, healthy BMI range, or "ideal" weight - just to realize that there are many factors to take into account, and a set formula doesn't take in all those factors.


NancyAnne, that chart says my waist should be 25 - 25.5 " - I would look beyond anorexic if my waist were that small!!!!! I was down to a size 10 (in 1975) and my waist was about 29" - I'm not sure I agree with that chart, at least not for someone who isn't an hourglass! Wowza!

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Here's an article with a chart at the bottom that you might find useful. www.collectivewizdom.com/NormalWaist
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And OOLALA, my understanding is that the leaner you get through the tummy the longer your life expectancy, because you are getting rid of all of visceral fat around the organs. That's why diet is so very important when it comes to weight reduction. Making the muscles stronger is wonderful, but getting rid of that fat is what not only makes the biggest difference visually, but gives the most health benefit.

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I think waist size is important as related to hip size rather than height. It has to do with where you are carrying weight. There is no universal ideal waist size, although Scarlett O'Hara cinched herself in for a perfect 16" waist. I remember girdles from high school, and corsets are beyond my imagining. There were women who had their lowest ribs removed so they could have smaller waists. My waist is 27 these days; age has taken its toll. I suppose with a huge amount of work I could get it back down to 26, but why?

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8/30/12 10:18 A

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Agree that genetics plays a big part. I'm pear-shaped, and I've always had a noticeable waist even when I was much heavier. I'm also post-menopausal, so I know I will never have a wasp waist. Except for the waist size NancyAnne mentions from medical studies, I think this whole ideal waist thing is about as realistic as the air-brushed, photo-shopped models in the glam mags. Anyone else old enough to remember when the Miss America contestants had their measurements announced as part of the swimsuit competition? We just accepted these personal revelations as part of the show, but fortunately women have come a long way since then.

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8/30/12 10:14 A

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For health reasons, Nancyanne is right. There is no health indicator that is improved by having a waist smaller than 31" for women. I don't know how height would work in. For appearance' sake, the difference between waist and shoulder circumference is actually the one that people respond to, although it's unconscious. But I stand by my recommendation. Practice the habits you'd be willing to practice for a lifetime and be happy with the result. Life is bigger than our waistlines!

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8/30/12 9:25 A

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I think height divided by 2 is big- especially for a woman. I know there is concern when women's waists get over 31" as far as cardiovascular disease and other health issues.

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8/30/12 8:48 A

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it was a simple survey question with simple answers
are you at goal?
whats your height
whats your waist line?


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8/30/12 12:17 A

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Consider it a good sign and let go of the ideal. Pursuing ideals usually backfires. Keep eating moderately, exercising consistently and enjoying your vitality.

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8/30/12 12:05 A

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This question is impossible to answer. There are too many genetic differences that determine waist size. I do think that losing inches in some places (where there is more body fat) and gaining in other places (where there is now muscle) is much more important than weight so I would be very happy with 2 inches less on your waist. That was visceral fat, the most dangerous kind, that you lost. Congratulations! emoticon

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8/29/12 11:22 P

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i have a question for the folks who have made their ideal weight.
first what brought the question on is i have plateaued- all summer- up 1 down 1- ALL SUMMER!! i was all discouraged until i realized i have lost 2" off my waist as well as inches in other places.
so i was curious what they say is supposed to be your ideal waist size? i found the average google advice is your height divided by 2. so i am 5'9" so my waist should be 34.5".
how many of you have found this rule to be true?

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