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My husband will, occasionally, joke that I'm anorexic, even though he knows I do eat..just very healthy. Out in public, he will tell everyone he introduces me to, how much weight I've lost. It gets rather annoying, as I no longer wish to be singled out, for my long past heaviness, but it's just his way of showing me off.

As for my "goal weight", even I am, just learning, what that should be. My BMI *says* I could go as low as 105, before dipping into the under weight category, but *I* know that by getting even near that low of a number, my body would rebel. I wanna say 110 is my final number, but even that one keeps inching closer and closer. May have to change my maintenance range from 110-114 to 108-112, at this point. Who knows! emoticon

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8/27/12 3:39 P

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It is just a number - but for me, it has been a lifetime of that number meaning something so I will still have to work that out. A lifetime yo-yoer, it has always been about someone else and what I thought they wanted. So this time, it was about me, and what I wanted for me. So I have settled on a number I want for me (my blog today has more about that). My husband has just recently jumped on board, and he decided totally on his own he wanted to eat more clean, so now he is being very supportive. But for me, I have to be careful to remember that I am doing this for me. Besides my dh would probably never have a number that is too low. An interesting note is that though I became upset about the lack of support (no one in family or friends), it was the very reason I found sp and now it has been a real confidence builder in knowing I did this alone (except for the last month with sp!).

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8/23/12 11:17 A

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This is interesting. It's just a number. Isn't it more how you feel and look? If you look gaunt and sickly at 135 then it might be too low, but it's still just a number.

My partner isn't concerned about my number. We had a brief discussion the other night because I could tell she was annoyed by something. She's more concerned with feeling as though we are always talking about what we're eating and how many calories we have left. She's not at her goal yet, but is also not as strict as I have been. We talked and she realized that it's just my personality to be a bit obsessed with it. I promised to try to not talk about it so much, but that she would have to deal with it until I'm comfortable that I've found the right calories needed to continue to maintain.

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8/19/12 6:47 P

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My husband is very supportive, but never pushy about my weight. He loves me at 150 or 160 just like he did at 220. He's one of those men who never seem to gain weight, no matter what they eat. I think he just naturally practices portion control, without all the drama I go through. I've seen him eat half a donut and throw the other half out because he'd "had enough."

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I get very little feedback from my husband. He has seen me at 185 pounds and now at 157 pounds. I lost weight while he was deployed and he didn't say a word. When I ask him about it he says he doesn't notice because I always look beautiful.

Thanks.

But do I really believe that?? NOPE! Would be nice if he noticed and high fived me or something!!

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8/19/12 1:45 P

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Hubby sometimes questions how I settled on a number, and then I start having doubts about if I picked the right number. But in general I'm very confident about my number(s). He never commented on my size except when I was at my top weight of 210. While I've been losing, i usually had to prompt him, "can you see that I'm getting smaller, or firmer?" I guess he doesn't realize how valuable it is to me to get positive feedback. But I know I look better, I'm confident, so I'm willing to ask him...he always gives me good feedback when asked.

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8/19/12 10:37 A

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But yeah, when you change your body in a relationship, you change the status quo. That effects/can effect relationships in all sorts of weird ways.

From all the interviews I've done:

A) "settling" for the wrong person
B) Maintainer hoing it up.
C) SO not being able to handle the new body/attention from others/am I still wanted/needed?
D) People liking the old you versus the new you (who's still got a lot of old you in you) *Head blinks "tilt! tilt!"
E) All the fat insecurity turning into loose skin insecurity (just trading one excuse for the other, and needing to work through that)
F) People still terrified of intimacy, or it doesn't even register as a concept in their brain.

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8/19/12 10:33 A

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One of my favorite stories I wrote back in the day was about Carla Marie Campia,

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Which was all about this.

Historically, my dating history revolves around two types of people:

A) Bar owners falling in love with me (don't ask; the sordid details are up on my bio on WKIO. But yeah, family issues hell played out over and over again)

B) Guys who spent their life chronically thin and dealing with that (I caught one examining my loose skin in my sleep -- eek!)

...and then a bunch of wannabe loose skin fetishists (4A BEGGED me to blog about that, and I will guys, promise. I think of it as "Loose Skin and the City").

Them being supportive of my weight loss was a nonissue; very few are supportive of my weight maintenance. They don't get it that, "no, it's not ok mr. former bodybuilder to leave pizza in my fridge. You're throwing vodka at an alocholic!"

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8/15/12 9:02 P

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I guess I had a fairly similar run. Got a bit too thin, friends and missus let me know. Now I get a bit of scheisse because I'm pretty active and enjoy lifting (she's completely inactive). She doesn't want me to get too big (lol, whatever). I technically don't have a goal weight, I'll be wherever I land after recomp. If I had to guess, it might be 190.

As far as support goes, she isn't really that supportive. I didn't expect her to be. We've both been very sedentary all of our lives and I changed. I think it would be unfair for me to expect her to change her ways just because I decided to change mine. She's one of those "naturally thin" people too, so she has no incentive to change.

She hasn't complained lately about my body, so no news is usually good news with her. I suppose I could ask. You know us guys though ... generally prefer NOT to have a discussion about relationships. hehehe.

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8/14/12 8:22 P

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I'm totally & completely single (and so glad to be) that this is my decision and all about how I feel about my goal weight BUT in the past I had an ex who would try to pinch and inch and if he could well it was pleasant or fun to have done and I was only 115 pounds back then I'm not willingly to give a person that much control over me ever again My PCP and myself have now worked together to come up with a goal weight that I can feel comfortable at.

Its so nice to hear that your spouses are supportive and encouraging and really care about your health! Which is so much more important then what the scale says.

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8/14/12 2:58 P

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You made me LOL. Thanks... now off to cleaning the kitchen... obviously I needed the laugh.

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Rawr.

LOL

...maybe not. ;-)

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This had turned out to be an extremely interesting discussion topic. For me a few things have emerged: Communication is key. Those posts that mention talking with SO seem to be the most positive. For those without SO at the time or ex SO who figured into weight gain, I have tremendous respect for their decisions to find the equilibrium in their own lives before embarking on new relationships... although I think our kayaking friend would be an awesome cougar . emoticon

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8/14/12 8:59 A

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DH is happy, but he never, ever made disparaging comments about my weight or suggested I lose, even at my heaviest. He has been incredibly supportive, even as I spend bucks to replace ALL my clothes, since even the "small" clothes in the closet were too big and were donated. MIL, on the other hand, thinks I am too thin. At 145. And she is nearly skeletal herself. Go figger.

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8/14/12 7:54 A

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I'm lucky that my husband has been very supportive every step of the way. He never gave me a hard time when I was heavy and often says that as long as I'm healthy and happy, he is too. He's always been good about giving compliments although he was a bit nervous about what to say once I started losing weight because he knows it's a sensitive subject. We talked about it and I told him what kind of things are nice to hear and he regularly dishes out the praise. He said that he used to be worried that I'd overdo it but now that he sees where I am in maintenance and that it's a good weight for me, he feels relieved. He also likes that even though I have to watch what I eat most of the time, I can indulge every once in a while with a bigger meal or some drinks. He also likes that I'm not overly restrictive in general. There have been a few times where he's felt a bit resentful about my gym time when it cuts into time we could be spending together but we talked that through and he understands that although I'd much rather be spending time with him, exercise is an important part of me keeping my weight off and is a small sacrifice to pay for such a big reward.

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I am very much enjoying this discussion. I want to clarify that my husband is very supportive of me in every way, including my WL journey. He is extremely proud of what I've accomplished. He just doesn't want me to look "scrawny" in his words. I actually think he can be happy where I am right now as long as I don't get any thinner. Even if I wanted to, which I don't, none of my clothes would fit, and I can't afford a new wardrobe... LOL

Thanks for all the insightful replies.

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8/14/12 12:46 A

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my SO is an MD, so there are no objections to a healthy lifestyle and diet, though he can raise objections to some of my choices. he felt that walking was just fine for health and losing weight, but i missed running - i like the definition of self that says "i am a runner" and the runner's high - but when i finally taught him that if you slow down you could see and smell the flowers, suddenly it wasn't as bad. and when i started galloway run-walk-run and he accepted that he could walk the parts that bothered him, it was even better. and when i agreed with him that every other day running was best (and followed the galloway plan) he was happy. so now we run separately every other day, and we take long walks together every other day - and sometimes on running days too.

same thing with diet (as in what we eat, not losing) - i convinced him that plant-based was best by reading the china study aloud to him, and he agreed as long as we included fish in the diet too. he gets a little ornery with me that i am "too strict" and not every meal we serve to guests has to be vegan, but since i have taken back a lot of the cooking responsibilities, he eats - and does not complain.

as for the weight loss goal - after over 40 years he knows me very well. and as i lowered my goal from 111 to 108 to 103, he was (rightfully) concerned about my obsessive tendencies. but the 103 was a weight i had in my 30s (i weighed under 100 when we met), and my bmi does not go "unhealthy" until 100. when i promised i was not going to move the bar again he was ok with that. and he thinks i look great now.

he also has not complained that since he exercises and eats on the same plans (give or take) that i do, he has also lost 12 lbs, without having to think about anything but hanging along for the ride:-)

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8/13/12 11:29 P

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Very interesting discussion!

Like KRICKET4 and MOBYCARP I have no SO at the moment, either. In the past having one usually correlated with some weight gain. (I also have the capacity for weight gain when alone, of course. But I seem to have been most successful at loss and maintenance when alone.)

I'm not sure I even can fathom how people with families manage their weight, let alone with a partner.

To answer CAROLJEAN64's question, I think this whole "new me" thing still requires some figuring out. Before I get into any relationships at this new size I think it's probably a good idea to live with myself for a while first, and figure out who I am, and what I want. I am definitely less willing to put up with baloney, now. LOL And much more picky about what I DON'T want!

For the future, who knows? Right now I'm having so much fun running around and kayaking that I wouldn't have room in my life for anyone who wasn't also a kayaker. And among that community, pickings are slim unless I want to do the cougar thing and I really don't, thanks. LOL




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8/13/12 10:16 P

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I'm curious and it is none of my business so feel free to ignore this question. Do you see yourself having a SO in the future? One with whom you can have a healthy relationship? I hope so.

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No SO currently or on the horizon. The question brings back thoughts of when I was married; there is no way I could have successfully maintained a healthy weight in the context of that marriage. I needed control of my own life to get back to the healthy weight I had before marriage.

Many of the habits I've had to un-learn were learned in the first place to cope with an unhealthy relationship. Yeah, not the best coping mechanism; but that was part of my life journey.


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No SO - all mine to decide :)

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He and friends all think I am too thin.

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If I am happy my husband is happy. The part that he worries about is to take me to places where I can fit to eat all of his pleasures....MEAT.

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I got to 8 lbs. below my goal weight and DH said, please no lower. It turns out he was right. As several of you have mentioned, our bodies seem to find that weight that is the one that seems relatively easy to maintain. It is interesting that when I was working with a weight loss consultant, she set my goal about 5-10 lbs. more than I wanted to be.

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Thanks for the reply. =)

My husband is concerned for my health, too. At the weight he thinks I should be, I would still have a "healthy" BMI. My body seems to have settled into 135, and I can maintain there without much work. No one has told me I look too thin. I think at 130, I definitely would, but I have no desire to go that low.

I was overweight when we met in 2006, and gained quite a bit more in the subsequent few years, so I think the longer I hang out at this weight, (but no lower!), he will get used to it. I really think that he is worried that I will lose more. Funny that he never said a word about my weight when I was heavy! However, he definitely encouraged me throughout the journey. He is very proud of what I've accomplished.

It's funny that my "scream weight" is the low number of the range in which he'd like me to maintain. LOL

Edited to add reply to SKIRNIR:

My doctor is pleased with my weight. I don't have to be obsessive to stay there... if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to do it. That can be so tiring! =)

Edited by: 62NVON at: 8/14/2012 (14:48)
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My thought is to talk to your doctor about what it should be and I am sure if your doctor doesn't mind your new weight, then your hubby won't either. Now if you have to obsess to stay there, like I sometimes feel like I do, he may still want you a tad higher.

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My husband is more concerned about my health. When I feel good he is happy. If I get below 145 everyone tells me I look too thin, but that isn't a problem because my body doesn't let me get that low anyway, anymore. That is my "just right" weight or even 5 lbs. more.
More that that would be my SCREAM weight though! emoticon

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My husband and I seem to have a difference opinion about my ideal weight. I am very happy (and hope to successfully maintain!) at 135, but he thinks that is too low. He would rather me be at 140-145. While I respect his opinion, ultimately it is MY body, and I believe I should be the one to decide where I feel most comfortable so long as it is in a healthy range. I think he is concerned that I will go even lower than the 135, which I do not plan to do. I'm a little under it now, but I'm well within a tolerance range.

I am curious whether any of you guys and gals have experienced this. If so, how did you handle it? I talked to my mom about it and asked her to be brutally honest about whether I had gone too low. She thinks I look great.

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