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HOUNDLOVER1
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LISEIGHT,
that reiminds me of another documentary I saw the other day, can't remember where I posted about it: "Food stamped". It deals with the whole issue of unhealthy foods being so much cheapter and how hard it is to eat a healthy diet on food stamps (American version of government food subsidies to low-income people). People who have to buy all there food with food stamps can't fit many veggies in, much less organic items, healthy meat etc.
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Birgit,
It looks like you are taking nutrition research very seriously!
I have heard of this concept before. For what I remember, the idea was linked to our human development, and how our food is changing so rapidly over the last 150 years, and that our bodies are centuries far from having adapted to it. Intrinsically, our bodies are still geared to protect us against famine. They therefore tend to hold on to fat reserves, hence why we need to eat healthy fats, even when 'dieting'. Hence also our taste buds great desire for sugary, fatty and salty foods (to ensure that we store energy, fat, and retain precious water).
This is so not needed in a world where there is food every where, in over abondance, even if for some, a lot of it, or at least the healthy best foods, are very expensive. ( I am obvously talking about our countries here!)
The food industries out there know this, that is why the majority of breakfast cereals are covered in sugar, and all have more salt than is good for you, why the meats are processed with sugar and salt added, as well as grain, of course to make it cheap! Why burger chains put cheese slices and ketchup in their burgers... the list is endless!
And of course, these foods are the cheapest to buy, and the easiest to transfer, store, and therefore buy! ARRRGHHH
The documentary I wathced showed a family comparing the price of a burger Vs a head of broccoli, in my world, that transfer into being able to buy 1 packet of chocolate covered biscuits for the price of 1 apple, and the apple is still more expensive!!!

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Goal: very slowly go back to 62kg, then 61, then 60, and aim to stay at between 59 and 60 for ever more...


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LISEIGHT,
I was just about to start a thread about another book I've been reading which talks about the emotional eating/addictive qualities of foods. It's called "The End of Overeating" by David Kessler. He uses the term "hyperpalatable food" for foods that are processed and contain just the right mixture of sugar, fat and salt to be more appealing than any natural foods would be and how these types of foods may play a large role in the obesity epidemic in this country. I learned some new things. Maybe you would enjoy reading it.

Birgit

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Thank you both for your answers! The Cordain book is the one that he followed.
My husband is definitely one of those all or nothing type of guy, so he indeed went straight into it, which I knew was probably unwise, but it was useless me even just suggesting it. When he gets into something, he wants to do it properly, even if gradully making change would have been much better for him, for this and many other situation, but hey ho, we all have to have some fault or other ;-).
He also obviously went all crazy on meat consumption, hence the strain on the budget. I did try to sway him more towards beans and Quorn and all that, but as above! If only he liked eggs, which I do, it's such a good way to up protein intake!
As it is, I feel like I should share your experiences with him, but am reluctant, as I do not want the madness to start again, and him cooking all different meals and making a mess!!!! I have to say, it is much easier that he is happy to eat my healthy meals again, especially as we do not ever have starchy carbs in the evening anymore!
He is a huge snacker, and has a fourth meal of sandwiches in the evening, which he replaced by cooking meats/ liver/ tuna instead (hence more mess). I am still wondering if he does so as a response to a real need, a habit, or boredom....
And then, you hear all this things about the meat industry, and the whole thought of buying only local organic meat fills me with budgeting dread!!!!!


Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.

Daily goals and rewards:

1 a day for:
- getting into bed before 23pm
- staying within my 1450-1800 calorie range

Goal: very slowly go back to 62kg, then 61, then 60, and aim to stay at between 59 and 60 for ever more...


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HOUNDLOVER1
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LISEIGHT,
sorry to hear your husband had so much trouble with the diet. I can think of several possible reasons, one would be too sudden a change, but another would be that he may be allergic or intolerant of a common meat. Beef allergies/sensitivities are getting fairly common (possibly only if they are grain -fed). I know that the digestive enzymes that are required for digesting meat are quite different from those required to digest grains and I've learned from feeding my dogs that if I want to feed them raw meat (which is normal for dogs) I need to do this as a separate meal from feeding anything cooked or processed, especially grain-based kibble. I suspect that the same may be true in people even with cooked meats.
Personally I have not switched all the way to a paleo diet in part because of the cost of high-quality meat. I eat a moderately low-carb diet now (about 80-100 grams of carbs/day out of 2500 calories/day but it varies quite a bit) and include beans and some non-gluten grains in my diet on an almost daily basis. I also eat lots of eggs, generous amounts of virgin coconut oil and some full-fat dairy. I've been off of gluten for 12 days now and have noticed some improvement in my running but it's still a little early to tell. The first week I ran and felt a little worse than usual so that may have been gluten withdrawal, again, hard to tell, it could have been other factors.
In general I think it helps to make changes more gradually over time.
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LISEIGHT: I eased into a full Paleo diet and didn't have much problem. I have been diagnosed with IBS and have had intermittent constipation. I used to take magnesium supplements at a dose of 400 to 800 mg a day. This seemed to help. I am now trying to get off the magnesium, since I am doing so well on the Paleo Diet. Sorry to hear about your DH exploding! I don't know what to make of it. I can only speculate that it may have been caused by too abrupt a change in diet without giving his digestive system time to adjust. Loren Cordain has a book called "The Paleo Diet for Athletes." I have not read it yet, but perhaps it could be useful for him.
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I am very curious about all this. As part of my healthy eating plan, it quickly became obvious that I was eating far too much starchy carbs, and the has been very esy to cut down. My husband, who is a runner, has been very keen to try the Paleo diet. I was very sceptical about it, if not only for the choice of name: if the principal is to eat like paleolithic men, then the recipes and ingredients suggested in the book are rather way off the mark! That aside, my husband was gald to see his weight go down (which he didn't need, apart from wanting to carry less load to improve his performance. The second impact was on the budget strings: my goodness the cost of meat to feed a tall and hungry man!!! I didn't like his new very skinny look very much, but he was happy. That until his digestive system revolted and literally exploded. I first thought it might be due to poor food hygiene from his part, or not cooking things right, but it lasted too long to be the case, and too repetitively. Since he has stopped, and just enjoys eating the food that I cook (which is much easier on us as a couple, for his separate cooking was driving me a bit crazy... might have been better if he had left the kitchen tidy and his washing up done ;-))
Have either of you, Conrad and Birgit, experience such rejection of this new diet by your bodies? Did you have a settling in period, or at least a slow withdrawal of gluten high foods?
I have seen the FOOD documentary recently, and I have to say, it might not be much better this side of the pond (i.e. England), but that sure was a scary thing to watch, and actually hard to believe for it to be true that food producers are:
- bleaching chicken
- using 13 slaugtherhouses for the whole of the US!!!! that's the equivalent to one for the whole of western Europe!
- so deeply into politics as to rule over any legislations!!! and therefore,
- getting away with providing disease ladden meats, genetically modified foods, and all other sorts of sins and getting away with it lawsuit proof, keeping consummers unaware by not allowing their practises to be scrutinized, let alone accountable for on their packaging!!!
Dreadful! Scary, makes me want to go and live like the mormons in a relatively self-sufficient community, I tell you!

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Daily goals and rewards:

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Goal: very slowly go back to 62kg, then 61, then 60, and aim to stay at between 59 and 60 for ever more...


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I bought "Wheat Belly" for my Kindle 3, but found that the graphs and charts were not displayed. Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and learned a lot from it! I makes my motivation go through the roof to read books like this! I ordered a paper copy for my home library from Amazon.com and just got it yesterday. I am accumulating a library of Paleo/Primal books, which helps me stay motivated. Since we are constantly bombarded with messages to eat unhealthy foods like wheat, it is important to have resources like these books on hand to renew my commitment to the Paleo/Primal lifestyle when it waivers.

Thanks for posting about "Wheat Belly." Reading it has helped me to be even more motivated to eat healthy and exercise!
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HOUNDLOVER1
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emoticon Buy it, I promise that if you find out you don't like it I'll buy your copy, I want to have one to lend to friends anyhow, seriously. emoticon
It's around $16.00 on amazon :


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Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 2/10/2012 (01:11)
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DENISEFULLER
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I've got a hold on the book. I'm number 22 on the waiting list!

I started SP at 138 lbs in October 2010. My goal weight was supposed to be 125, which I reached in January 2011. I have stayed at 125 (give or take a few pounds) ever since.


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Conrad,
thanks for posting this. I appreciate the input you give as a scientist because I'm not one and don't have that perspective. emoticon
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I just finished reading Wheat Belly by William Davis on my Kindle 3. Thanks, HOUNDLOVER1 for recommending this book. It was an awesome read! The author writes well and makes good footnotes. He presents the latest nutritional advances that you will not get from consulting with doctors and certified nutritionists because their advice is 20 years behind the times. There is a lot of nutritional research that has not filtered down yet to the ordinary doctors and nutritionists. By the way, most of what you see in the media on nutrition is nonsense! I loved the book and highly recommend it!
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HOUNDLOVER1
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Denise,
I just looked it up to confirm. I don't see anything mentioned in the book about Migraines but there is a lot about wheat affecting the brain. The digestion of wheat results in polypeptides that can cross the blood-brain barrier and bind to opiate receptors in the brain. Wheat is one of few foods that affect the central nervous system and the book states that wheat affects brains tissue which can result in symptoms ranging from incoordination to seizures to dementia.

Birgit

You can talk to God all you want and that's great, but the changes happen when you start listening to him.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN OTHERS.




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DENISEFULLER
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I'm a librarian, so I'll check to see if the book is in our library when I go to work tomorrow. Did you say it can help with migraines to cut out wheat?

I started SP at 138 lbs in October 2010. My goal weight was supposed to be 125, which I reached in January 2011. I have stayed at 125 (give or take a few pounds) ever since.


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Denise,
let me know if you have any more questions about it. I do think this book is worth buying or see if you can get your local library to buy it.
The other thing about wheat is that it really can't hurt to try to go without it. Using a large variety of other grains and seeds and/or fewer grains is going to result in a much more varied and therefore healthier diet, just like eating 20 different veggies instead of just peas and carrots.
Other alternatives to traditional grains are chia seeds, hemp and flax seed. If you have to use starch for something there is potato starch and tapioca, but of course starches are best kept to a minimum anyhow.
Birgit

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Thank you for the explanation of wheat today. I didn't know that wheat had changed so much. I might try to see if I do any better without it.

I started SP at 138 lbs in October 2010. My goal weight was supposed to be 125, which I reached in January 2011. I have stayed at 125 (give or take a few pounds) ever since.


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I can completely relate to the 'pasta and bread' restriction: I have found it impossible to stick to my 'Carb' allowance bracket if I have those foods!!!! It doesn't mean that I don't have any carbs, nor that it only comes from sugar. I have cereals in the morning, I sometimes have wholemeal chapati for lunch ( a great alternative to bread or tortilla wrap at 90kcal per chapati), but from there on, I try to have no or very little startchy food (i.e. only a scoop of mash, rice or couscous with my dinner, often as a treat rather than as a habit)

I found that having less startchy carbs means I am less bloated, which is another plus.
I have come to terms that this is going to have to be the habit of a lifetime, from now on, and that is fine with me. As said before me, these food as so nutritionally poor compared with others, I rather have something else!


Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.

Daily goals and rewards:

1 a day for:
- getting into bed before 23pm
- staying within my 1450-1800 calorie range

Goal: very slowly go back to 62kg, then 61, then 60, and aim to stay at between 59 and 60 for ever more...


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And there are so many other grains that don't cause problems. I really enjoy buckwheat (not wheat-related) and millet, quinoa and some others and will learn over the next couple of weeks to make anything from flatbreads to cookies to cakes with them.
Birgit

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Never thought I'd be able to give up bread and pasta for good -- although I did give them up for weight loss, I had planned to add them back in moderation after reaching goal. (Did a sort of moderate carb plan -- not low carb.)

However, they were the biggest source of high calorie, low nutrient (yes even "whole wheat" is not all that nutrient-dense) foods in my diet, and they tended to add to my hunger level rather than satisfy it. So, I have decided they don't have a place in my everyday life. Not saying I don't EVER have any wheat products, but for the last year and a half, I think I've only partaken twice (both were planned treats). Really has made maintenance a lot easier than the last time I reached goal. (Gained all that weight back and then some, in fairly short order.)

Starting Weight: 260 lbs. (November 2010)
Quasi-Maintenance: 165 lbs. (June 2011)
Goal Weight: 150 lbs. (reached December 8, 2011)

Size 22W to Size 4

Currently maintaining within 5 lbs. (+ or -) of goal. I weigh daily, but also use a tape measure and the fit of my clothes to guage how well I'm doing.


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Denise,
a lot depends on the definition of food group. Everyone who is allergic to a food needs to cut that food out of their diet. Allergies and sensitivities to wheat, dairy and nuts are among the most common allergies so people who have these allergies will have to eliminate those food groups from their diets.
Then there are other food groups that nobody needs and that are harmful for everybody because they are not really food at all. Among these are highly processed foods, artificial sweeteners, artificial flavors and colors, white flour.
If you define food groups as macronutrients, this means carbohydrates, proteins and fats then of course nobody should totally eliminate any of those from their diet. It is only a matter of debate if it is better to eat a diet lower in carbohydrates, lower in protein or lower in fat to live a healthy life style. Spark recommends a diet that is very high in carbohydrates but there is a lot of evidence now that any diet high in carbohydrates leads to obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol and high blood pressure plus many other health problems.
While the original Atkins diet was very low in carbs, there are many ways of eating that have moderate amounts of carbs and higher amounts of fat which seem to work very well for many people to lose and maintain weight.
The book Wheat Belly recommends removing wheat and, for some people, other grains that contain gluten, like rye and barley, from the diet. There are many other grains that are widely available nowadays that we can eat instead like oats, millet, quinoa, buckwheat and several others.
The reason why wheat, even whole wheat, even organic, is probably very unhealthy for us is that what we call wheat nowadays is not the same as the wheat from even 50 years ago but they kept the same name. Through advanced breeding techniques wheat has been changed in many ways which this book explains and these changes are very bad for our health. Modern wheat of the type that is used for bread making contains a form of gluten that has many negative effects on the human body.
If you want to learn more take a look at the spark group about the book.emoticon

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I tried a low carb diet several years ago and now SP says it's not good to cut out food groups. Is this like that?

I started SP at 138 lbs in October 2010. My goal weight was supposed to be 125, which I reached in January 2011. I have stayed at 125 (give or take a few pounds) ever since.


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I am now half-way through the book and have learned a lot more already. This includes the following facts: The incidence of celiac disease in the US (and probably in other countries) has gone up hugely. About 1 in 133 people or over 2 million people have celiac disease, but 90% are not diagnosed. Only 50% of these have the classic symptoms of cramping,diarrhea and weight loss over time, the otherhalf show anemia, migraine headaches,arthritis,neuroligical symptoms,infertility, short stature (in children), depression, chronic fatigue. Other signs that show up later are neurological impariment, incontinence dementia and gastrointestinal cancer.

I've been gluten-free for two days and just experienced my second day without after dinner appetite and lost 1 pound over the last two days. Details in my blog.

Birgit

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Thanks for the tip! This book looks good. I just downloaded it to my Kindle. I am following the Paleo Diet and eating Primal, which forbids wheat. I feel 100% better without the wheat and have achieved my goal weight by not eating wheat or other carb-dense foods.
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Thanks! That is next on my list of books to read. I am gluten-sensitive, and have been on a gluten-free diet for a year. Never felt better!


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I'm talking about the book "Wheatbelly" that I just started reading. I'll let the book speak for itself but I wanted to share that yesterday was my first completely wheat and gluten-free day. I do not have wheat or gluten sensitivity so am not required to eat wheat-free but the arguments in the book, which is written by a cardiologist were convincing enough just on the issue of reducing hunger feelings and reducing belly fat, the most dangerous kind of which I still have some, that I decided to give wheatfree a try. For the first time in years I felt no desire to snack after dinner. If this works as described in the book I may be losing 10 lbs. without calorie counting in the next 5 weeks before running my next half-marathon.
If you want to know more take a look at my blog.emoticon
There is also a spark team devoted to the book Wheatbelly and the principles of eating according to it.
Here is also a link to the author's blog:
www.wheatbellyblog.com/

Birgit

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