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5/22/10 2:03 P

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Enjoy it! I just love the idea of using real food, and creating something wonderful from it...

highest weight ever:202, SP starting weight: 143

New goal: more practical new goal, 129, update ticker to reflect that goal.

H: 5''4" 50 y.o.

"Don''t let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers

"Eat Food, Not Too Much, Mostly Plants" Michael Pollan



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5/22/10 12:10 P

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Thanks for the kudos. We are starting on our first CSA in two weeks and i am very excited. It will be my first real foray back into the kitche, plus a chance to cook good foor for a law student living with us for the summer.

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KAYOTIC's Photo KAYOTIC Posts: 12,621
5/22/10 10:29 A

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Thanks again Russ, for defining a problem that many people don't want to think about. We do focus on weight loss as a goal, rather than a continuous process that includes maintenance, and I think we get lost in that "goal" mentality.

Carol Jean, very thoughtful response!

And Nell, I'm with you on the cooking too! I have started back in the kitchen again these past few months as my journey to stay on the healthy track has brought me to looking at fresh and whole as my foundation for eating. I'm looking for ways to incorporate the foods I get delivered every 2 weeks by way of my CSA box (and I'm so lucky to live near a farm that delivers fresh produce year round...) and have by necessity had to learn what to do with those collard greens and now fava beans!

And just to comment on the size 2 bit, I tried some on the other day on my latest shopping trip, and even though I'm a bit over my goal range, they fit! So I see the size creep is still going, and I wonder what do all those tiny gals who really are size 2's and 4's do? Shop in the children's section? But that is a rant for another day...

highest weight ever:202, SP starting weight: 143

New goal: more practical new goal, 129, update ticker to reflect that goal.

H: 5''4" 50 y.o.

"Don''t let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers

"Eat Food, Not Too Much, Mostly Plants" Michael Pollan



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NELLJONES's Photo NELLJONES SparkPoints: (211,713)
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5/20/10 7:58 P

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Oh Russ I am with you! I LOVE to cook! My old obsession with food is still food, but it is very different. I wasn't very picky when I was fat. I ate whatever was fast and available. And hopefully quietly so no one would hear. I worried about getting rid of the "evidence". Like no one could tell I was eating when I was spilling over my waistband.

I get 21 meals EVERY WEEK!! And they better be pretty darn good meals! The advantage of being the cook is that I determine what those meals are, and I can make them again! Is that what you mean by "empowerment"? I love leafing through my bookcase of cookbooks and Weight Watchers magazines (40 years worth). I love making the lists. I love shopping for food. I love feeling it in the stores or markets. I love cutting it up and cooking it. I love putting it on a plate. And I love eating it! I don't even mind cleaning it up.

When I first starting on WW, I just wanted to get to my number so I could eat whatever I wanted. Problem was I still wanted what I couldn't have. It wasn't until I decided to learn to want what I COULD have that I turned that corner, and that meant I had to keep cooking. There are more foods generally available now, more possiblities of wonderful meals, and I am the cook so I can make it Weight Watcher friendly. You don't have to look like Dom deLuise (am I dating myself?) when you love to cook.

I also don't push my envelope. I never try to convince myself that if I exercise more I can have gooey dessert, because I have learned to love the food I can have.

I was fortunate to have a WW leader who told us that maintenance is a lifelong plateau. You don't stay on a plateau by eating MORE. I stay here by eating very very well. I don't know if I feel empowered, but I sure feel comfortable and well-fed and not deprived. And wearing a size 2. Which was size 8 when I lost weight, but that's a different topic.

Edited by: NELLJONES at: 5/20/2010 (19:59)
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No one ever got up in the morning wishing she'd eaten more the night before.

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RUSSLANE's Photo RUSSLANE Posts: 401
5/20/10 7:23 P

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Awesome, CarolJean. Thanks!

I think empowerment gets lost in the weight loss discussion in general. I know for myself I was totally the stereotype of the softspoken yes man too eager to please.

*LOL* That was then and this is now.

I see so many people run in circles, hamster like, with their fat pain. Finding your voice, your boldness and your power in this process is really the key thing.

Part of it's the ability to stand on your own, when society and statistics aren't really in your favor. And not care.

But it's also power in the fun sense, which SP speaks to so well -- the real "success story" isn't in how you look, but what you *do.* For me, it's cooking.

Best,
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5/20/10 5:31 P

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Russ, I think you have defined the problem quite well. A few personal examples or stories would help... Here's the kind of thing i have in mind. My sister-in-law said I shouldn't get rid of all my "fat" clothes because I would probably need them again. (It's been 5 years and haven't, in fact I've had to get some smaller stuff!) The compliments can wreck havoc with your emotions.... yes, I love that you think I look great, but what does that mean you thought about me before.
How do we handle those sorts of issues? For me it is remembering that I am the one making the choices! I know keeping the fat clothes around would be a mistake. I know I am the same person inside regardless of my outside.
A manifesto usually needs a strong message of change. You hint at it at the end, but be bolder.
For example: We know dieting doesn;t work, but changing life-style does. The medical and nutrition establishment must counsel their clients that achieving goal is not the end, but a by-product of a way of living. These professionals in the field must develop expertise in assisting those in transition from dieting to maintaining. We need as much information about maintenance as we have about losing weight.
Hope some of this makes sense to you. Thanks for all you do and publish.

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5/20/10 2:38 P

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No guys, I'm not dead. Just fighting for my life is all, lol. :-) Lots of good things have been happening lately longterm; shortterm's been a struggle, but me weight has maintained beautifully throughout.

I'm taking some time to retool some of my older content as I'm getting ready for a redesign and adding some new features/catching up on articles I've had reported for AGES now. E-spring cleaning, if you will.

Here's the new, improved Second Helping manifesto: www.secondhelpingonline.com/?
p=294


My questions to y'all: does this speak to you? Is there an aspect to maintenance, and forging a life beyond your weight, that this doesn't address? Does this reek of BS to you?

Any and all responses -- positive or negative -- are welcome. I want the Manifesto to live up to its name -- dead honest about ALL the various aspects of life post-weight, and more than just being about me, I'd like something that can speak for all of us.

Best,
Russ Lane

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We Keep It Off.com:
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Befriend WKIO on Facebook |
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If you lost 30 pounds and kept it off a year, volunteer for the National Weight Control Registry
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