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3/24/10 4:30 P

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Love the article!

I'm not sure why defining maintenance really matters. I am not one to judge another person's weight. If someone's goal is 200 and that is what that person wants to maintain, then that person is a successful maintainer. My, or anyone else's opinion shouldn't matter.

I have met too many people who want to "get that weight off" so they can "eat the way I want", which is usually what got them fat in the first place. We all know people who can eat anything, and it seems like I should be able to do that, too, if I am already at the weight I want, as if a number on a scale confers immunity from getting fat.

Actually, the people who say they can eat whatever they want, don't seem to want to eat the things I want to eat. You can't assume that "most thin people" eat snack foods and desserts every day. "Treat" means something different to them.

When I lost weight very slowly, it turned out that my "diet" was the way I would have to eat for the rest of my life. I'm glad I had WW to tell me to learn to enjoy every nook and cranny of allowable food, to explore as many possiblities of diet friendly cooking that I could, because there was no way I could go back to eating a pound of saltines every night. Or a comfort Reeses every time I went through the grocery check out. Too many people bend the diet friendly food so they can fit the old treats in, that they don't find the wonderful alternatives out there.

I enjoyed the adventure of weight loss enough to be able to enjoy maintenance.

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3/24/10 4:02 P

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Hey guys,

Angela and I are wrapping up the whole idea of defining maintenance today and tomorrow.

Today: www.secondhelpingonline.com/?
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3/18/10 3:36 P

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The link didn't work for me, but being persistent, I found the article anyway, Russ! Speaking of which, great entry.

I decided in the mid-1990's that I was tired of reading all the literature, that I needed a plan that was my own. And mostly, I knew how to drop pounds, I just needed somehow to WANT to do it... you know what I mean?

But I still go back and read, because it helps me remember how important this journey is to me. I want to be healthy for the rest of my life, and I'm still figuring out how to keep myself wanting that... one day at a time... enough to act on the desire.



Edited by: ONEKIDSMOM at: 3/18/2010 (15:38)
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Hey guys,

Looking at some of the criticism of the NWCR, I took a few scientific papers, a bit of my own experience and what's going on in the culture.

And voila!

www.secondhelpingonline.com/?
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In the process we get into the two-pronged definition of maintenance to boot.

Later tonight I'll have the NWCR folks directly commenting on the lack of a consistent definition.

Edited by: RUSSLANE at: 3/18/2010 (23:50)
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3/17/10 6:13 P

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Thanks for posting the article and starting the thread, Russ. Good topic and responses.

The references to WW are interesting as my goal with them was 133lb. I thought I'd never weigh as little as that again but here I am holding steady at 120lb.

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I know that this is personal rather than scientific but I really like the concept of staying at 'home weight' now - this being a weight where I can stay and where I feel healthy and comfortable.

Being at home weight now has eradicated some major health problems that I had and has reduced my levels of medication significantly so my body must be in a better state of balance. I feel as if its where it belongs and that I have developed into the me that I'm supposed to be. Ultimately I think that this is the essence of maintenance.

Thanks again.

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3/17/10 2:46 P

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4a, I found you'll never stop craving. That doesn't end; you just deal with them better, sidestep them, or recover from them faster. Alcoholics still want a drink 20 years later, you know? It's not that different.

That's a big part of this, I think: not making the craving, or the scale, meaning anything about you.

Me? I'm surprised I'm boxing. Everything surprises me now. It used to freak me out, but now I rather enjoy the surprises.

Edited by: RUSSLANE at: 3/17/2010 (15:04)
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3/17/10 1:41 P

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4AHealthy: I will bet that in your journey to lose that 180 pounds you have lost so far, you have gained a peace and happiness you never thought you'd have. When you are smothering in despair, it's hard to hear the wind in the trees, or find joy in the coming of warm weather. I'll bet that you are feeling true happiness in the process, so that "success" in ongoing.

I have met some amazing people in overcoming struggles with food and alcohol, people I never would have met. We support each other just in the dailiness of life, as well as all the little successes and setbacks. I have sports friends, too, but it isn't the same. There are no words we can say to each other that will help my Washington Redskins. Frienships formed to mutually overcome a problem are a treasure beyond price.

Your success isn't a number on a scale, that is a benchmark. Your success is living each day free of the despair that the overweight know so well.

Good for you!! You are a success right now, today!

I hope you will always find pleasure in yourself and in craving a vanilla whey shake, or whatever the next surprise is.

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3/17/10 1:05 P

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"Discipline is a negative word in today's society, implying punishment. In reality it is just a way to develop faith."

Isn't it funny, that so many of the things that are actually good for us sound like punishment?

- healthy food (sounds like twigs and leaves)
- discipline (sounds like punishment)
- exercise (sounds like hard work)

...and after re-LOSING the weight I'm partway there toward appreciating them but I know I'm not entirely all the way there yet. Once I do get there, I think at that point I'll finally consider this "successful."

Heck, I surprised myself the other day by craving a vanilla whey shake when I was hungry. Huh?! Not cheese, or cereal or fruit (which are all reasonable but not containing the protein I usually want), but a WHEY SHAKE?! LOL

The fact I was surprised shows that I'm not there yet.
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As far as maintenance, as I explained in a comment below the column, I personally plan to stick within a small range around my goal weight of 150. I'm not *quite* there yet, but I'm close...

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3/16/10 11:07 P

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That was beautifully put.

If I could, I'd slap a megaphone on ya and parade ya around.

Edit: Oh wait, I can! E-mail me, would ya? :-)

Edited by: RUSSLANE at: 3/17/2010 (13:55)
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Weight loss was a process, a journey as it were, accompanied by cheering and applause at every drop in the number on a scale.

Maintenance is the same process, but without the support of cheering extras. During my months of losing I found enough faith in the process to know always how to do it. We always talk of "motivation" like it comes from the outside. While the cheerleaders are cheering our losses, we hopefully develop an inner strength and faith, not to do it alone, but to reach for the cheerleaders. They'll still cheer, but now you need to ask.

Discipline is a negative word in today's society, implying punishment. In reality it is just a way to develop faith.

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3/16/10 9:50 P

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Well, it's interesting. "Maintenance" is a two-pronged answer:

-- There's the mechanics, and then there's the significance. One might be more important to you than another, but you can't have one without the other.

What I love about those last two posts is they so beautifully reveal this.

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Fascinating topic, thanks for posting.

This is more than defining "maintenance" it's also defining "success". For me, true maintenance is a state of mind: maintenance of good habits and good attitudes. But it also needs a measure on the scale and on the calendar to fit anything meaningful for the rest of my life.

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3/16/10 4:19 P

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Then there's Weight Watchers maintenance: keeping a narrow 4 lb. range with one's goal weight at the center point. This is a timely topic for me since I just weighed in on my second week of WW "maintenance", and I am exactly 2 lbs. above my goal weight. One more gram and I, I, I, well golly, I just realized I don't know what that means. Am I kicked back to the end of the line to begin all over the 6 week trek to free Lifetime status? Then there's the National Weight Control Registry, of which I am also a participant. I'm 15 lbs. below their "maintenance" level for me. Oooh, this maintenance stuff is too complicated for my poor muddied brain. It was easier losing weight.

Mary

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3/16/10 4:16 P

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Nell, you'll REALLY like what we got for the rest of the week, then.

To give a preview because I think y'all rock that much: I'm glad y'all got there's more that Ang and I are pointing to beyond "scientists aren't consistent." No one understands maintenance and it's barely talked about.

And if scientists can't/won't come to a consensus on a definition of maintenance, that effects public policy, that effects the diet industry ... in other words, it makes it that much more impossible people won't get the support or information they need once they hit goal.

Having a board like this one is a gift. But imagine, a world where it was understand that losing weight != keeping it off. That it was recognized in the health mandates and decisions, in advertisements, even those crazy diet ads.

Were that the case, do you think CDC statistics would be what they are? Do you think that we'd all still be among The Chosen Few Who Pulled It Off?

In other words, people keep asking for "the magic" of weight loss because so far they've only gotten help getting up the mountain, so to speak. They've received none getting down. Things as simple as consistent scientific definitions in research make a HUGE impact on that being a reality. People keep looking for the *magic* because no one's done the work to truly find the *information.*

It's gotta start somewhere. So Ang and I decided it was going to start with us.

Viva La Resistance!

Edited by: RUSSLANE at: 3/16/2010 (16:18)
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I guess I always thought "maintenance" was maintaining the goal I had worked so hard for. I think it's fair to question whether or not a goal is still appropriate as we age, but a higher goal becomes another goal to be maintained. Some women who look great at a certain weight at 21 look gaunt as age and gravity take their toll, and a few more pounds look good. You also have to be prepared to eat less to maintain that same goal because no matter how active you are, age just lowers calorie demand. Bummer but there it is.

I am concerned about the attitude that long term weight loss isn't possible. I lost 33 pounds in 1970 and have kept it off all these years, and I am hardly the only one. At my high school reunions, I see the other fat teens have lost weight and kept it off, too. I don't think it is a good idea to define "success" to match your current weight rather than your goal, whatever that may be. Sounds too much like Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average. Had I had that idea when I was 21 I might not have achieved real weight loss success and held it all these years.

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3/16/10 1:10 P

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Cool, Angela will be thrilled -- please drop her a line in the comments section.

Otherwise, we asked a few of the scientists about why they do what they do in regards to defining maintenance, and the reply was pretty interesting. that'll post Friday.

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Interesting article - thanks for sharing it!

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Guess you just have to go by what we non-intellectuals think of as maintenance.

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I never realized there was an issue with the definition. Now that I read the article, I understand the controversy. I always thought that maintenance was simply not gaining more than a couple pounds at any given time. You can maintain for a week or a few years, but it's still maintaining. As regards to this group, I assume maintenance is getting to your goal weight and staying within a designated range. Good topic.

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Hey guys,

4a-healthy-bmi's latest blog post is up: how do you define maintenance when not even scientists can agree on definition?

www.secondhelpingonline.com/?
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