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8/2/09 8:17 P

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Seriously, thanks R2R!

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Ru2Ride, you have just put into words how I feel. I'm pretty sure that many people feel the same way.

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8/2/09 4:45 P

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great topic!

I hit my goal last September and still don't feel like I fit w/"maintainers" because, for me anyway, I have to stay just as determined and focused on the same habits.

I like the term "weight management" because that implies an ongoing, proactive, creative effort - no matter if one has 50#s to lose, 10#s to gain or working to stay put.

I sure don't feel like I've "succeeded" at anything - I do feel a certain tenous confidence that I *can* manage my weight, that I know *what* to do now, I know what combination of calories and exercise works best for me and my life...

But I don't feel like I'm "post" anything - especally "post weight" as I still have to be diligent about "weight" habits or the weight is waiting to return... Perhaps I've simplay adapted the habits of a fit person and my body reflects that. But those habits aren't yet long-lived enough to feel like they're truly my second-nature fall-back habits.

From the inside, it's the same struggle/challenges, the same mental focus required. It's easier now in that I know what works, but the habits are still easily replaced by the couch monkey if I let them! And on the inside, I find myself relating much more easily to people who are still overweight rather than those who are fit. And every once in a while, someone will be in disbelief that I could relate to an overweight person at all - such a gray area! I like the idea of keeping a before pic handy!

Anyway, cool topic...

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8/2/09 11:35 A

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You know what I have a beef with? The word "diet." I am a naturally thin person, but that doesn't mean I eat anything and everything I want. I am always on some kind of "diet" because I'm trying to find what makes me feel good, tastes good, and is doable in the long-term (right now I'm eating Paleo/Primal style with good results). I exercise because it feels good, and I think I look better thin and fit instead of skinny-fat. I'm not really "maintaining," or maybe I am. There's no "goal weight" in sight, nothing really tangible to define what I'm trying to do. I suppose this is where other dieters end up once they've reached their "goal range." It's still dieting, in the stricted sense of the word, but don't use that word in front of anybody because they'll look at you like you're crazy (the whole "you don't need to diet" thing). So what is it that I'm doing? I'm... at a loss for a good word or phrase to describe it!

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8/2/09 10:51 A

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I like Healthy Lifestyle... That way anyone can use the term except those who are might be naturally thin, don't exercise and eat like crap.

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7/30/09 4:48 P

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I'm digging weight management myself, from an accuracy standpoint.

Heya Lynn, I use the "small yoyo" approach as well, I keep things in a 5 pound buffer either way.

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LeeLyn I so understand what you are saying. I had always been a YoYo, now the swings are just in a smaller arc. Thank goodness for Sparks, it makes me so much more accountable. I like those words; weight management.

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7/30/09 9:13 A

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sometimes maintaining seems like yoyo dieting to me. I stay at one weight for a couple of months and then I get sloppy or something because before you know it I'm up five-seven lbs and have go back into weight loss mode. If you were an alcoholic you would always consider yourself and alcoholic even if you didn't drink. I think that I'll always be a fat person even if I don't indulge in my lazy sit on the couch watching tv eating cheetos mentality, it's still there. On occasion when people ask me about why I'm eating or not eating whatever it is. I'll say that I have weight management issues.

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7/29/09 7:52 P

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Oooh, this is getting good! *Grabs his rice cake and jumps into the fray*

But isn't "post-weight" the most accurate? It strikes me a fairly neutral term, but other's perception of it is really great.

I have a huge issue with how the term "healthy" is used in modern society. I cringe every time I type it. "Healthy," in my mind, has almost become a very moralistic thing.

Christians gets such a bad wrap for being righteous and judgmental in popular media. I use it as an example just in terms of the common complaints you hear in the media/real life, and it's no judgment on my part (i.e. I'm not dissing anyone's religious beliefs, and let's not turn it into a religion debate).

But I see the same thing go on in science, or health. There's a "right way" to lose weight, and that "right way" is usually how you didn't do it *laughs*. So while it sounds great, "healthy" is just another way someone can turn their nose up to you.

The best example of this to me is poor Michael Phelps. Did y'all see the response to his diet during training? People were practically throwing sticks and bones, forecasting heart attacks. They didn't get the stupid amounts of calories he needs to keep up his pace. But suddenly he was "evil" and close to a heart attack. It absolutely floored me.



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7/29/09 7:20 P

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I'm really interested in this topic because -- I think language is important (one good reason for not choosing a "negative" type SparkPeople name like "HATEMYSELFFAT"). And for that reason I'm not really enamoured of "postfat" etc.
Staying Healthy? It sounds more positive. But actually there is no guarantee of staying healthy and not getting, for example, cancer just because you're exercising regularly and eating a nutritious and appropriate diet (as I know firsthand -- which was a big reason for the pity party pounds I permitted to creep on after my Feb 2009 dx after maintaining weight loss since 2001!. And have just peeled off again with SparkPeople help).
"Maintainer" is so static and doesn't capture how hard it is, or the ups and downs of it. "Success story" is too complacent/smug/hubristic: failure coming soon!!
"Healthy Strivers" -- not quite right but closer for me. I'll stay tuned.

Great topic: thanks, Russ and TryingHard60 and all who've contributed.

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7/29/09 7:07 P

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*Laughs*

How about "I leg pressed 700 pounds just so you could tell me I'm too thin for your standards now."

I tend to go with "post-weight men and women" a lot, or "post weight folks" if I'm feeling particularly folksy. Post-weight community, etc.

I like that because it implies the whole gray are of not exactly being a "thin" person, but certainly not being a "Fat" person either. Something different.

It's a little science fiction-y for my taste though.








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What about "Staying in the Healthy Zone"? "Maintaining" is less clumsy though!

Edited by: TRYINGHARD1948 at: 7/29/2009 (18:42)
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With most places having differences in "what weight you should be", and sometimes the "lee-way" is 20 or 30 pounds, it is hard to figure what exactly number is right for you. 110-130, 118-142, whatever you feel good?
Some have 5 pound lee-ways, some (me) have a 10 pound lee-way, and yet, I would LOVE to get even lower. Stressing over these 10 pounds, I wish I could figure out just the amount of exercize and meals to stay right in one spot instead of sea-sawing.
Since I can't stay on program for 7 days straight, I just resume every Monday.
WHat do I tell people when they say I don't need to loose weight? I tell them I have to work in staying in my lee-way every day, same as I did when I was loosing my 50 pounds. And I keep my FAT pictures in my wallet to prove my point (when I have to).


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7/28/09 10:48 P

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Et, that's such a good way to phrase the whole "success story" thing!

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I have no new terminology, but I do not particularly like the term 'Success story" OK, I have been successful in achieving my goal weight, but will I be successful in keeping to that weight for the rest of my life. If I do, then that will be my success story. I agree that it is hard work,

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Funny this came up just now. I went to my doctor because my varicose veins hurt when & after I run. He thought he was being funny when he asked "Who are you running from?" I answered "from being fat" and he responded "not much chance of that." Little did he know...

Maintenance is such an inadequate word to describe the daily struggle of a life-long battle but it is THE word that describes what I have heard my whole life and aimed for. What to replace it with: continuance, persistence, prolongation? I don't know.

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It's a bit like being in a marriage. There's the honeymoon of that goal weight it's sooo easy, so wonderful; how could we ever fail and go back to being...whatever. Then there's the reality when that flush is gone, that the struggle is every day and next year it will be every day and who knows maybe in 10 years it will still be a daily struggle, to to make it work you deal with all the same things that you deal with in a long term relationship... boredom and fights and wrinkles. Yes it's worth it and yes I plan on sticking with it but some days (weeks; months) I just want to throw it all away because it's just so hard.

Sorry; I don't have any good language for you, but I agree that what's available is inadequate to convey what I feel to people that have no idea of the journey or the struggles of maintenance.

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7/27/09 8:25 P

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Awesome points. I'm at a loss for how to deal with it ... I'm almost relieved there are actual doctors and the like struggling with the same thing.

That's the conundrum I deal with this. Yes, I'm very committed to letting the fat pants go and making new lives -- not just new bodies-- out of these experiences. That doesn't just happen anymore than the weight loss did.

The paradox of it, though, is that also means not forgetting your roots either.

Way I see it, remembering "before" life is fine, but just continually challenging yourself not letting "before" still run your life in a subtle/not-so-subtle ways.

Personally, I'm not a "thin person" in the classic sense. Nor am I a "fat person." I kind of feel like I'm in the gray area in between the two ... and honestly I'm better for it. It's something I take a healthy pride in, because I kept stepping back up to the plate.

But these are complicated ideas to put down simply, so the more y'all got to say, I'm all ears.

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Interesting question Russ. I'm in a bit of a quandary. One of the main things that bothers me is that there is a tendency to hold on to that image of being post fat, and maybe some people need that. I know that there are problems of having been overweight but when do we join the average population? I love the way Second Helping offers advice on being past the losing weight and the problems that come with it. Perhaps there are two sides to being in the healthy weight zone: the need for support in problematic areas, and then there is the nutritional, physical and emotional advice to be able to maintain.
For me I just want to Live Healthy for the rest of my life. Living Within My Healthy Calorie Range is really important for me. Educating Myself in Living Healthy is a top priority for me. Healthy Living for the Family is a must.
Further pondering is required - thank you for posing the question.

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Been talking with doctors all day, and a question sprang up. Technically I asked it, but in interviews you get these odd moments where a hive mind is working, so I won't claim it as "my idea."

Think about all the language that exists about weight loss ... binging, dieting, working out, lose weight, etc. etc. etc.

Post-weight, there's not really any language specific to it. "Maintenance" and "weight loss success story" is about it. Personally I loathe the term, but I used to communicate Second Helping's mission quickly. Instead I use a lot of terms like "post-weight men and women," "life, post-fat pants," "Now what."

Even the "Success story" thing gets to me somewhat ... yeah, it's great that we all accomplished something other people don't know how to do. On the other hand, as my mother said "yesterday's achievement is tomorrow's ego trip." And another old saying: "Pride comes before the fall," which I've also known to be true. Early on in post-weight life, I used to think I was "cured" so I could eat wahtever I wanted. Y'all already know how that turned out.

So while it's positive, I think the "Success story" thing needs to be used very carefully also.

Dr. Barbara Berkeley has her own terminology ... POW (Previously Over Weight), SAD (Standard American Diet).

Dr. Eric Plasker said it best to me today using a car analogy: these days, we don't build things to maintain them. We build them so they break and we buy new ones.

This sounds pedantic, but language is important. It shapes belief. It's why journalism's so powerful ... and also why marketing is so powerful.

If maintenance is an outdated concept (you may or may not agree, which I'd love to hear too), what are y'all's thoughts on giving post-weight a new language? What do you use in your lives?

Edited by: RUSSLANE at: 7/27/2009 (18:28)
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