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We have been wiping him down with a damp cloth and spraying a tea tree solution on him a couple times a day to relieve the itching. Seems to be giving him some relief. The allergy shots will be a last resort as they are expensive and work about 75% of the time. He is such a sweetie.

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The good news is that allergy shots are pretty successful, so maybe those would help him lead a normal life.

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poor pooch!! Big hug

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Poor Weaver! Sending (((VIBES))) his way to be able to get rid of his scratchies!

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Our Weaver's allergy tests just came back yesterday. He is allergic to dust mites, food storage mites and grass. Great for a dog that lives on 5 acres. He has been scratching and chewing and we had tried everything and finally had the allergy tests done. We thought it may be food allergies but they were all within an acceptable range.

Our Vet said the tests showed beef, potatoes, barley and venison could be avoided. Blue Buffalo is our choice of dry dog food. Lamb and Rice and the Fish and Sweet Potato so now the Sweet Potato will be out and they both have barley in them, not high on the ingredient list though.

Poor Weaver, he has been on antibiotics, prednisone, sprays, creams what have you in the last six months and nothing helped. We had a wellness panel done and it came back with everything okay. We really thought it was a food allergy but the allergy test said mites and grasses. Our vet gave me a couple of web sites to check out so I ordered an anti-allergen pet shampoo and dustmite and flea control premix liquid in a spray bottle. We are going to try and control this and if it does not work Weaver will have to have allergy shots. I do know he feels much better after a bath.

When I told my best friend and neighbor what the allergy test said her reaction was "But you are always dusting your house" and it is so clean. Well the little buggers are every where!!!! Living on 5 acres poor Weaver is around every grass possible, kind of hard to control that problem. The Vet said to wipe him down with a damp cloth when he comes into the house and that will help keep the allergens down.

Thought I would share what we found just in case anyone out there is having the same problem.

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3/13/13 11:03 A

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Allergies in dogs can be just as complicated and hard to treat as in people. One of the reasons there are now so many (but very expensive) dog foods on the market that are grain-free, dairy-free, chicken-free, beef-free, nut-free and even more that are gluten-free is that many dogs will develop allergies and/or sensitivities to the same things that we do. Since dog food manufacturers can not put more then about 45% of meat in a dry food or the processing machine will gum up ( and also the food would get much too expensive) they have to add some kind of carb so sometimes go to potatoes or sweet potatoes and sometimes to legumes (peas, lentils, beans). While this may work better than whatever the dog is allergic to it still creates problems. One of the most common ones in dogs and in people is leaky gut syndrome as a result of being sensitive or intolerant to gluten (which is in wheat, barley and rye). In leaky gut syndrome there are molecules passing from the intestine to the blood stream that should not get through and these molecules can cause autoimmune diseases of many kind. A healthy gut provides an excellent barrier that keeps things where they belong until the body has absorbed all the nutrients. But the gluten in grains works as a strong irritant to the bowel and this changes the bowel wall. Dairy and meat intolerance can be either a secondary result of leaky gut syndrome or it can be because most dairy and meat are not produced in healthy and ethical manners. I totally understand the sentiments of wanting to eat and feed vegan for that reason but would consider another option.
Dogs that have sensitive stomachs can often be helped by completely eliminating any grain from their diet. Once that has been done successfully sometimes a significant amount of weight will be lost and gut issues often disappear as the gut lining is healing itself over time.
Sometimes at this point the animal will tolerate some types of animals products (I would try wild-caught fish first because of the beneficial omega-3 fatty acids).
To address the animal products issue specifically:
I try to stay with animal products that come from pasture-fed, humanely raised and slaughtered animals. This is much more expensive and I know not an option for everyone. We keep ducks for our own eggs and eggs are a regular part of our dogs' diet as well as ours. We also feed ourselves and our animals organic as much as possible. This increases the price further so obviously everyone will have to do he best they can. Our food bill for our 8 dogs is several hundred dollar per month. With small dogs the expense will pay itself back quickly by the animals being so healthy that they rarely have to see a vet and that I am truly excited about. emoticon
With anything I feed my dogs, reading labels is extremely important to me. If I don't know an ingredient I google it and learn more about it.

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I've had the flex chews...my mom gave me some for Christmas for my dogs. They do smell horrid, but the dogs love them.

For allergy reasons, my mom's jacks are both eating the chicken and rice diet. It's the only diet that they can handle. She finds that otherwise, one of her jacks is throwing up all the time, and the other chews her paws off.

It's all about what works for you and your jack. She had one that lived on Kibbles 'n Bits for her entire 16 year life. She eventually died of a heart attack...nothing to do with her diet.

As far as my two pooches, they eat Natural Balance Vegetarian, and my pug eats copious amounts of raw veggies. She loves red peppers, cucumbers, carrots and apples. Pretty much anything I eat, she eats...except for plums (she hates them). She loves broccoli and squash...they're her favorite. My boxer will gladly spit every veggie across the room, where my pug happily runs over and eats them.

Both my dogs have sensitive stomachs. The fish dog foods made them have runny stools (and they smelled like fish), the lamb dog food made the boxer barf, chicken dog food made the boxer itchy, raw food made them have runny stools.... in Boomer's 8 years...he's tried them all. Once I switched to a vegetarian/vegan food source, all the problems stopped. He hasn't barfed since, his stools are great, he doesn't itch, and he's even lost a couple of pounds (which makes my vet very happy). My pug doesn't lick her paws constantly, and she loves to eat anything her big brother has...so it was a clear choice for us.

Yes, I'm also (recently) vegan. Been a veggie for seven years....but recently quit dairy and chicken (they were the last to go). I believe it's about doing what's best for you and your family, be it fur family or people family. There are so many options out there, and with some tweaking, they can work for anyone.

For me, it was cruelty to animals that initially put me on the plant based diet. Then as I did my research, I found that the amount of hormones that are pumped into meat/dairy is just gross... No wonder my 12 year old has a D-Cup.

I understand not everyone will agree/understand why I choose for my dogs/me to be plant based...but it's all about sharing our experiences and what works for us. I don't think it's about conversion, but education. And even then, thankfully, we can agree to disagree.

If the vegetarian diet works to alleviate your jack's allergies, then great! If the chicken and rice/lentil diet works, then great! It's about what works for you and your jack.

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the vet today gave me something called flex chews for her. They are these small, soft chews that smell horrid that I'm supposed to feed her to help with her joints, coat an allergies. Anybody have any luck with them?

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Beans and grains contain protein, but they also contain antinutrients and grains can be addictive, especially wheat. That alone would explain why dogs eat it.
Dogs will survive on a vegan diet but it is definitely not their first choice. Just try feeding them raw meat and bones next to the veggies and see what they prefer, LOL. As far as health, younger dogs will often handle poor diets just like young people do. When they get older and their bodies become less flexible they get overweight, get autoimmune diseases and many other effects from eating high-carb diets that cause inflammation all over their bodies. Then their risk of cancer, heart problems, diabetes and any hormone-related diseases goes through the roof.
I have vegan friends who will still feed their dogs raw meat and bones. This is what their teeth and their whole digestive system is set up to process.
It is true that dogs do not need meat. But protein from animal sources is much more bioavailable to them. Eggs and dairy as well as fish are good sources of this.
Dogs that eat a lot of carbs are almost always overweight as are the pugs in your blog.
I am curious what the reason is that you feed your dogs vegan rather than just adding some veggies to their diet.
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Lentils and beans are a non-animal based protein. One cup of lentils or beans is appx 19 grams of protein. One chicken breast is appx 17 grams of protein. One egg white only contains 4 grams of protein.

There's nothing wrong with giving dogs vegetable based proteins. It takes a little extra effort at first (learning curve)...but just like people, they can not only survive, but thrive.

The top four longest living dogs in the world were all vegan. With a collie winning at 27 years old.



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huh, I thought dogs HAD to have some kind of protein

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My boxer (8 yrs old) and pug (4 years old) are both vegan, and extremely healthy. All they eat is yummy veggies...can't keep them away from my salads! Check out this great site with awesome ideas for happy vegan pooches!

Lentils and beans are for protein. 18 g of protein per cooked cup. Low in calories, high in protein. Nature's super food!

http://happyherbivore.com/2010/09/vegan-
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There is no reason at all to feed dogs high-carb foods like rice or grains or beans. They are trying to tell you this. Just go with meat, eggs and maybe a little raw dairy. Carbs are cheap fillers that come at a price. They are very hard for dogs to digest and cause a lot of trouble in the gut. Dogs really don't need carbs in their diet.
If you need a cheap filler use rice flour as they can not separate that out, but it is not helping their health.
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You don't need rice if she doesn't like it. Use lentils instead. Cheap and easy. Also, if you boil the lentils in chicken broth, she'll lap it up.

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Our Jacks is a smart, smart little one. For some reason, she hates rice. Will not touch it. I gave her some dog chow (beneful brand) and she ate everything but the rice. I gave her another brand with rice in it-she ate around the rice.

She does eat chicken though. Oh does she ever. She'll put on this routine of OMG I'M STARVING FEED ME if she thinks she's going to miss out on a piece of chicken. She's a smart sweet dog I tell ya

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My mom's jacks eat chicken and rice. She boils it all together and makes it fresh daily. You could cut the chicken into chunks and use that instead of wieners (which are full of cr@p). Make the daily amount, and stick to it (so they don't get over-weight). Add parsley to the mixture for good breath. You can try to add chunks of sweet potato too, they're sweet and dogs love it. Make sure you use brown rice, for the extra nutrition. Lentils are cheap and easy to add to the mixture. If you have a slow cooker, you could cook a batch for a week. My mom's jacks used to have skin issues, and one used to throw up all the time. The bland diet keeps her happy and healthy now. You can buy thighs, which are cheaper than breasts (but also fattier). I've never seen happier or healthier jack's then my mom's two.

I know people don't think too much about making their own food, but for small dogs, it's cheaper and really very easy. There's lots of recipes online for dog food. There's supplements you can buy if you really don't think you're adding enough. Once you get the hang of it, it's so much better and they know you're cooking dinner for them. Jack's love fresh food!

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far as I know she doesn't eat them. She just brings them to me in two or three pieces

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Concerning diseases that rats and mice carry: The most likely thing is tapeworm, but that should only be a problem if the dog eats them.
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HI!
I was thinking about the diseases rats carry....even though she doesn't eat them. I have not had the allergy issue with any of mine...but I would think the vet could be helpful in the "trial and error" of figuring out what is going on and finding a diet that is both healthy and non-irritating to her. Keep us posted!
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There is your answer: the treats she is getting. 2 thumb-sized dog treats 5 times a day plus half a hot dog is almost the amount I would feed a Jack Russell for the whole day, about the same as one cup of high-quality dog food. She is simply not hungry for more and her appetite regulates her eating well. That's great news because it means that she is not at very high risk for serious obesity like so many dogs. emoticon
I do like that you give her treats for going potty and that you hide her pills in food and would not suggest changing that. But ideally only 10% of a dog's diet should come from treats that are not a complete and balanced diet.
Here is a suggestion of what might work. Gradually, over the course of a week, make the treats you give her much smaller. If the thumb-size treats are easy to break into smaller pieces then reduce the size to where they are about as big as the fingernail of your pinkie. I guarantee you that this will work just as well and she'll be just as happy about getting them. The hot dogs may be a little harder to change to something smaller but many dogs will like things wrapped in cream cheese and that takes a lot less to cover a pill well and it is a little healthier for her than the hot dogs.
Once you have made these changes she should be hungry enough within a few days to try the rice and fish diet or some similar healthy choice.

Hope this will work for you,
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Kiki is smart, but not stupid. LOL

She's not going around to neighbors getting food from them. She's not out of my sight-always on the leash when she's outside. She's not eating trash, when she refused to eat for the week she drank tons of water. Now that she's eating again, she's not drinking as much water.

When she kills random mice or rats-once or twice a week, she doesn't eat them. She brings the darn thing to me in two pieces to show me she killed it. She don't like eating the rats, just killing them and presenting them to me as some kind of war trophy. :) Vet said it would be impossible to teach her to stop killing small rodents-JRTs were bread to chase and kill rodents.

She does love people food. I do give her half a hot dog a day-a quarter in the morning and a quarter at night. That's so she'll eat her pills.

She does get two thumb size doggie treats from me every time we come in from going potty-which is about 4-5 times a day. The vet told me what kind to use for her-and it's a kind that's not supposed to cause allergies.

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It is unusual for a dog to turn down food they don't like for 6 days in a row. You may want to make sure she isn't getting fed some other way: trash bins, lots of mice or rats, neighbors feeding her, or she may even get into some of your food on the counter when you're not looking. If she only lost a pound she must have been eating a fair amount somewhere. Feeding her stuff that is bad for her is not the answer. If she is hungry she will eat healthy food.
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Our cooper has allergies....he is now on California natural venison and potato...doing good with it!!!

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I also tried feeding her a diet of nothing but fish and rice-she would sniff the bowl, grunt and walk away. Did that for a week, she lost a pound. Even the treats I had for her were allergy free all natural kind. She refused to eat them. After 6 days and the loss of a pound, I went back to what I have been feeding her. She's quite stubborn on what she will or won't eat.

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The most common allergies for dogs are grains, egg, soy, dairy and beef. I would suggest eliminating all of those and feeding her a homemade diet of rice and fish with a multivitamin for dogs added. Most dogs will love the strong smell of fish and if you get canned pink salmon from Walmart it's not terribly expensive and has lots of good omega 3 fatty acids that work as a strong anti-inflammatory. Just drain out some of the salty liquid. If she's a picky eater and on the high end of normal it will not hurt her at all to refuse food for several days and she'll be a lot less picky when she's finally does eat.
It might help to use a probiotic for a little while to support a healthy gut.
Dogs are like people in that they can get addicted to food that is bad for them. Catching a mouse or a bird now and then could actually be a reasonably healthy addition to her diet.
My dogs catch field mice on almost every walk they go on.
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Hi, I have had dogs with allergies, and grass was the culprit. The vet ended up giving the dog prednisone for it. This was a long time ago, and I'm sure it had some side effects. If food is the problem you might want to consider a raw food diet, or low grain type food. Halo brand is good about using human grade ingredients. When nothing else works I go to Halo. Also you might want to see if there is a Jack Russell Terrier team on Spark. Someone might have a good suggestion about dog foods that work better for JRT's. A second opinion from another vet might also be the thing to do. Good luck with this. I know it's frustrating, and hard to watch your doggie going through this.

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I would have her stop chasing rats and take her to the vet

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Aaawww, I don't have an answer to your question, but give her a hug and kiss from Punky and I please. Hope she feels better soon.

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I adopted a 4 year old Jack Russell terrier about a month ago. She's sweet, gentle and prefers killing rats and snuggling with me or hubby over being hyper or active. I'm currently working with the vet on this.

She often gets severe, chronic yeast infections on her rear end. The shelter treated her 3 times in the 4 months she was with them. I've treated her twice in the last few weeks.

She's an extremely picky eater-refusing to eat the allergy free dog food. Wet or dry. Only kind of dog food will touch is mighty dog brand-the kind in a blue tin. She eats 2 of those a day, plus a variety of treats. She's at a healthy weight for her size-16 pounds. Vet doesn't want her to gain any more though.

She doesn't have fleas. She was treated for fleas and heartworm while at the shelter. She didn't have heart worm, but they gave her the treatment anyway. The vet this past week couldn't find any fleas on her-though just because he didn't see any doesn't mean she is flea free.

Her back end and snout is...itchy. She chews at her hind end and paws. He's thinking 2 of the most common allergies right now-food or fleas.

Shes currently on antibiotics right now for it. How can I narrow down what's causing a yeast infection/redness and some hair loss on her rear end?

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