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7/5/12 3:51 P

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emoticon ...Great news. I think he is going to work out fine.

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7/5/12 11:36 A

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Great news! Thanks for sharing! emoticon

***** Laurie in Northeast Ohio *****

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7/5/12 9:39 A

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For all of you who were so helpful, a quick update. Yesterday we bought a crate; furnished it and just left it open in an area where Sparky could explore near us... he was in and out of it and seemed okay. Last night at bedtime, I called him over to it... he just quietly went in, lay down, and began to chew his chew toy. I closed the door and that was the last we heard of him till we got up this morning. It may be my imagination, but he was much happier and calmer this morning and it was a good night for us all.

So, day by day... incidentally, we watched the city fireworks from our backyard last night; I kept him on his leash and he sat between my husband at me. Initially he was anxious and turned his back on the display, huddling close (we both were patting him and talking to him). But by the end of the more than half hour display, he'd turned around, appeared to be watching and was no longer seeming to be as anxious.

Again, thank you to all the dog lovers who've offered suggestions... I know we have a lot of work ahead, but he's worth it!

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7/4/12 9:19 P

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Laurie... it may help that I've been a high school teacher for 20 years!

I bought the crate today; he's been in and out of it quite happily, one of his favorite squeakies is in it and he's quite mellow. We'll see how the night goes. We have company coming to watch the fireworks from our back yard.. didn't even want to leave him tonight. So I will indeed keep you posted.

thanks again for the advice.

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7/4/12 9:16 P

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Sounds like you're really on the right track! Good luck, and keep us posted!

And you're right, he can't be in charge... you have to be!

***** Laurie in Northeast Ohio *****

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7/4/12 6:36 P

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Oh Laurie, thank you... yes, we knew at the gitgo that he was high energy and smart... and I'm willing to put in the work necessary... I have our first session scheduled early next week with a professional to get a start. Meanwhile we're walking every day. I am amazed at how bright he is. I do want him to be all he can be as a "good" dog who is welcomed by others and fun to have around.

The leash trailing idea is a great one... I will put it into place immediately. The cats have to take some responsbility in training him too!

We did buy a crate today... with a really comfy pad, etc. I'll set it up for tonight in a place where he is close to us, just outside our open bedroom door... I don't feel I can kick the cats out of their only safe haven at the moment. We'll see how it goes... he has a blanket as well and we'll play it by ear till we get it right.

And we stocked up on chewy toys (not that we hadn't... he managed to destroy a hard rubber dog ball in a week... and he's teaching us what he likes.

I'll look into rally training.. we're in a small town, so it may not be available. I do note his herding behavior... he herds me wherever he thinks it is appropriate... with such bouncy good nature that it's fun. But I do need him to understand he's not in charge. I think.

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7/4/12 5:29 P

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LOLOLOL... Aussie and Border Collie! A mix of two high energy and too-smart-for-their-own-good breeds! Boy have you got your work cut out for you! I'm envious though.... that will be one great dog once you've got him trained the way you want.... Sparky sounds like a perfect name!

I'm getting the idea that you're thinking of a crate as cruel or some kind of punishment? It really isn't, unless you teach the dog that it is. Remember, dogs have a pretty strong denning instinct, and the crate really fills the bill for that. Just make it comfy for him with bedding he likes and appropriate chew toys.

Here's another suggestion about the cat chasing thing. Can you let him trail a leash while you're there to supervise? That way when he goes after the cats, you can just grab the end of the leash and give him a quick "no!" correction. I've used that technique many times for many training purposes and it works wonders. It's a lot easier to grab the end of a leash than it is to grab the collar of a moving dog.

Have you considered rally training for him? With that breed mix he'd probably be great at it, and it would give him a "job," which is so important for smart, herding breeds. Lots of work though, big time commitment. Of course, any dog requires a time commitment!

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That's why I named him Sparky!!!

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7/4/12 2:17 A

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A high energy breed lol. I exercise two Border Collies daily. They are so much fun.

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7/4/12 2:15 A

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He's a mix of Aussie and Border Collie.. lovely, smart, goofy.... and yes, the cats WILL train him in time!


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7/4/12 2:11 A

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All of our dogs have been crate trained. Henley sleeps in his every night, and the crate is in our room. Cats and dogs do take a bit to get used to each other, so let it happen. Just supervise them at all times because puppies can get rambunctious. Eventually your cats will either accept him, or tolerate him. You know how cats can be lol. What type of dog is he?

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7/4/12 12:05 A

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Birgit, thank you so much for putting it in perspective....

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7/3/12 11:43 P

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Regardless of the individual differences between dogs all dogs should be crate-trained (taught to accept being in a crate without fear or stress) and should occasionally spend time in it with a nice chew toy. Crates are the safest way for a dog to travel by car, the only way to travel by airplane (you never know if you will move at some point) and the only way to be left in most motel rooms that's allowed. Dogs are crated when they have to stay at the vets for surgery and they can be crated when they are on cage rest for medical reasons. Crating is helpful when introducing a dog to new family members or to teach appropriate behavior with visitors or young children. I like to keep the dog's crate in the living room during the day and in the bedroom at night right next to my bed so the dog can see me, hear me, smell me (most important to a dog), and, if I put my hand near the crate, even touch me and feel part of the family. A dog that is outside feels insecure and excluded from the pack and will not bond as well with the owner.

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7/3/12 9:56 P

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Thank you.. I really do appreciate the response... if we do a crate, it will definitely be in the house with us... he's very sociable and we like that a lot... and I have been talking to a dog trainer and getting hints on how to curb his chewing. Like I said earlier, he's really smart (he's already added new words to his vocabulary in the 5 days I've had him) and I just want to make sure we give him the security and training he'll need to have to make sure he's happy and welcome wherever we go with him. Our last dog was a middle aged lady when we got her so it's been many many years since we had a young one to train!


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7/3/12 9:44 P

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emoticon Barb. I agree with your vet. I've had more dogs that felt their crates were safe havens, than the opposite. It all depends on what they get used to. The door can remain open when you're there to supervise and closed when you are gone or are too busy to pay attention. (Like a play pen)
He would probably prefer to be in a crate in your room, rather than on a porch alone. I have too large dogs. They sleep in my room on their beds. They do not get on my bed or the other furniture. They were home alone the majority of the time for 8 days when I was in the hospital. They still did not get on furniture.
Before anyone panics, my kids and neighbors were letting them out to potty and feeding them.
It was an emergency so wasn't a planned absence.

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7/3/12 9:04 P

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I have no problem letting him sleep in the bedroom, though preferably not on the bed, just for issues of space...and obviously I'm working on teaching him not to chew.. he's very smart and learns quickly, but there still seems to be some puppy in his soul (which is fine).... the biggest issue is the cats.... they've been totally reclusive during the days when he's inside with me, but I want to be fair and let them have a chance to get to food and litter box, too....

I guess the main thing is patience. My vet says that many dogs see their crate as their security place, but....

I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I shall just keep working on training him... like I said, he's smart and learns fast.. I just have to make sure he realizes I'm smart too!


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7/3/12 8:54 P

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Do you have an issue letting him sleep in your bedroom with you? Dogs are pack animals and are happiest with their families. Ours sleep with us and are only crated when we can't be home to supervise. Personally, I do not believe in keeping dogs outside. The answer to the chewing is to teach him not to chew. The only way to know if he'd be happier in the crate is to try it. One thing is for sure, he can't be allowed to chase your cats. If the crate is the answer to that, then so be it.

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Fortunate are you if you love a dog, for that dog will surely love you.

Fly Free my friend.... for only in true freedom can we find our true selves

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7/3/12 7:24 P

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Hi.. I've had lots of dogs over the years, but never had this come up.. we just got a new, 10-month old dog. His paperwork (we got him at the humane society) said he was crate trained... a friend suggested it might be a good idea to get him a crate since he probably would think of it as a secure place. His documents said he was used to sleeping in his crate at night.... what has your experience been? It's been a little problematic at nights since our two cats are stunned by this new creature in their midst and he likes to "play" by chasing them... and he chews a little, so we've actually had him sleep outside (well fenced, well sheltered patio with a cushy bed, etc. But would he be happier in a crate?

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