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Burritaelita I agree with you 100% that Dr.'s aren't that trained in nutrition! And I am definitely trying to find what works for me and my BS levels. I didn't mention that after a colonoscopy last year I learned I have Celiac Sprue so I also eat GF. And I will be experimenting over the next few weeks and see what works! You are all so helpful and patient with our questions,thank you! Diane

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Well, bread is a processed food, because the grain is processed into flour, so it probably does raise your blood sugar more quickly than whole grains.

It is good that you notice these responses in your body and are making appropriate plans to avoid the cravings. Best wishes with it!

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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Wow, this thread has taken a huge turn...

In reply to Kashi but also to those posting after her - William Davis, author of the book Wheat Belly (an intereting read!) says that it makes no difference if it's white bread or 'whole grains'. They have the same negative impact on blood sugar (he says) and one should not eat more than 1 cup of them per day.
The book says that eating two slices of whole wheat bread can increase blood sugar more than two tablespoons of pure sugar!!!
If that is correct or not, I don't know, but I do know that I get mood problems and cravings also after eating the best, whole grain, 'healthiest' bread.

Wheat Belly also talks about how gluten have a special quality that makes wheat very addictive - they have an impact on our brain causing a slight 'high' the way drugs do. I think it's the withdrawal from this that makes me often feel so bad, angry, upset after having binged on products with wheat.

So my idea is that I'd best stay away from bread and wheat. I now took on the goal of not having ANY wheat at all for three to four weeks and just see how I feel then.
Right now it is quite hard and I have a lot of cravings, wanting to eat eat eat. I had that before, too, when I 'just' quit eating wheat (but did not do ETL). It's hard but I try to tell myself to hang in there until I've not eaten wheat for three weeks. Only then may I be able to judge what these cravings and tendencies to overeat are.

One thing I did helped: I switched oatmeal, that I had in the morning, for quinoa. Oatmeal too is said to contain gluten, like wheat does.
I only had one tablespoon of dry oatmeal per day, but I noticed I was craving food, more oatmeal, so much after having had that breakfast. I now have some quinoa cooked in water, heating it with almond milk (along with some apple or frozen fruits, cinnamon and a bit of walnut). Cravings and (false) 'hunger' appear to be less now. I did increase the amount that I eat as well, in the morning. Figured I just could not stand to be so hungre early in the day, and I was also wondering if, when I eat more / prevent hunger in the morning, I might not have so much desire to overeat later in the day. Haven't noticed a change there yet. But the quinoa seems better than the oatmeal.

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OK, to put things in perspective--a Joslin center dietitian showed me the pcrm site when I asked her if a vegetarian diet might help my diabetes. That's how I got started.

Doctors are no experts in nutrition. Period.

I include brown rice, potatoes, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and pasta in my diet, and my doctor said that I have reversed my diabetes, based on my numbers. My doctor is not a plant-based advocate, but he was very pleased with my results.

In Barnard's book, which you can probably get from the public library, he says that pasta is not high glycemic because it is not porous like bread, as a result of the yeast causing the air pockets in bread. I don't eat a lot of pasta, and try to eat whole grain pasta when I do, but have not had bad results.

McDougall is starch-based; Fuhrman emphasizes vegetables, beans, and greens. I walk the middle road between them. I find that whole grains, spaced throughout the day, keep my blood sugar stable. OTOH, I like the micronutrients in a lot of vegetables and fruit. I love beans! Fuhrman recommends "beans and greens" for diabetics.

I think you have to observe how your diet works on your body for yourself, but as for your doctor, you could check out the level of nutrition education he has. The McDougall website has a list of McDougall-friendly doctors, but most of them are on the West coast, unfortunately.

If you would like a visual history of what I've been cooking and eating for the past year or so, read my blogs. Lots of detail and links and lots of photos.

Edited by: BURRITAELITA at: 9/29/2012 (19:09)
The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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Definitely can't afford it right now.I looked over the plan,all this is confusing McDougall recommends rice potatoes and starches and ETL does not.So what's better? I know my Dr. wants me to stay away from rice,potatoes ,pasta.He is of the opinion diabetics don't need it ever! Diane

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I usually make nut-based dressings using Fuhrman's recipes in Eat for Health vol. 2. Then you don't have to use pressed oils. That said, I sometimes take a break and use Paul Newman's light Italian dressing, but try to keep to 1 TBSP for a large salad (serving size says 2 TBSP).

If you have money, you might consider going to one of McDougall's 10-day programs or an Immersion Weekend. I would love to do that, just to meet the McDougalls one day, but the price tag is prohibitive for me right now.

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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Extra virgin olive oil (EVOO )added to vinegar. I was previously using a very low cal. plan and I felt aweful and my hair started falling out after 1 week! I need to get back to healthy eating and not worry about losing 9 lbs. in a week!! I think I will order Dr. F's salad dressing,unless someone has suggestions. And I will definitely check out McDougell I actually joined there group by a suggestion from someone,but I need to learn what it's all about. Diane

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pcrm.org/health/diabetes-resources/d
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Here are also some personal testimonies from Type 2 AND Type 1 diabetes people who have improved their lives via a vegan diet. Lots of beans, I'd say!

Also on that page are links to some of Barnard's resources.

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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I think you're doing just fine. I don't know what EVOO is (what you put on your salad), but otherwise I think you're doing the right thing. Please please hunt for Dr. Neal Barnard's Program to Reverse Diabetes Now in order to have another doctor's opinion.

You can also draw inspiration from people who had diabetes, ate plant-based, and got better by checking out the Star McDougallers (click that term) on www.drmcdougall.com

170 is not a desirable blood sugar level, but my goodness, it can be a lot worse than that, and you are in transition. I am not a doctor, but I know it can be done via plant-based for many people. At least if you read Barnard, you'll know the info from another doctor's point of view.

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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My Dr. wants me on a Southbeach diet,he says beans will raise my blood sugar! The salad I eat has chick peas and a few nuts and seeds on it,and I'm usually not hungry and don't like a big lunch. Just trying to follow ETL, but if you have better suggestion I'm open to anything. Diane

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Acc. to Neal Barnard, fats of all kinds play a larger role in our blood sugar instability than sugar, so the almond butter (even though it is nuts) may or may not have helped.

It may seem counter-intuitive, but it is possible that strict abstinence from grains may be the problem. I eat whole grains--maybe three servings a day--and my blood sugar is still low. It should be whole grains, though--oatmeal, brown rice, 7 grain pilaf by Kashi, bulgur, whole grain couscous, etc. You could experiment with that.

You only have a salad for lunch? That might not be enough to keep your sugars stable, depending on the size and content of the salad. Don't let yourself get too hungry!

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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I will definitely read up! I am using a small amount of evoo on my salads,but no grains at all,my smoothie is spinach ,kale,ground flax,chia seeds,1/4 c. blueberries and 5-6 backberries.I did add a 1/4 tsp.natural almond nut butter today hoping the protien would keep my blood sugar down,but don't normally use it. For dinner a lentil soup/stew with carrots,celery,onion and lentils and a salad. Thanks . Diane

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Are there added fats to your salad? If so, how much?

Are you adding any sugar to your smoothies?

I highly recommend reading Dr. Neal Barnard's Program to Reverse Diabetes. One of the things he says is to not closely monitor your blood sugar levels while you are switching diets because as you lose weight, your blood sugar levels will decrease. Your body is still adjusting.

I eat pretty much what you listed below and my A1cs are hovering between 5.6 and 6.0 in the last year. Don't forget daily exercise, which will also stabilize your sugars. I try to walk every day I can for 50 minutes, and get a lot of walking in at work. It really helps!

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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Thanks I don't have time to check them out right now but will at work tonight! Diane

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Here are some articles that might help

www.drfuhrman.com/disease/Diabetes.a
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www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-di
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I have a question for Woofgang and anyone here that may be diabetic. I am a T2 diabetic and lately my blood sugar is high.Started following ETL green smoothies for Bfast salad for lunch and salad and lentil or veg. soup and salads for dinner. And my BS was going up not down any suggestions or ideas??Really want to do this program but worried about a1c results,and don't like seeing #'s in the 170's!!! Thanks Diane

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I second Kashii on many of her points.

1. If you were at a restaurant when you ate the bread, then it was probably white bread. White bread metabolizes more quickly and turns to sugar much more quickly. Avoid it.

2. Anything with the word "product" in it, even GF products, are still products. Limit or avoid them and go for the whole grains.

3. Yes, Ezekiel breads. Try them.

Actually I go for days without eating bread. I have some natural, unsugared (not in a packet) oatmeal with raisins every day (usually at work), and brown rice or pasta when it goes with a dish, but most days, I only look for bread when I want to catch the last delicious part of one of my own vegan dishes from the bowl.

I think my regular consumption of beans and large salads makes me less interested in breads.

The most effective health-care is self-care.

Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

We are all born with an innate desire to not only survive but thrive.

--Joel Fuhrman
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Christina - it depends how you define "GF Product." If it's something that's naturally GF - as in, not even made with wheat, but instead with another whole grain (quinoa, buckwheat, wild rice, etc) - you shouldn't worry about blood sugars - unless I've missed something, whole grains won't be much of a glucose impact and are packed with healthy minerals and nutrients.

Where you want to keep things limited are the highly processed things - wheat products that have been treated, over-processed, and chemicalized into something "Gluten Free." That's not natural. So yes, it's good to limit. It has its benefits, but the less processing a food goes through from farm to plate, the better.

I have read from the CSPI (Center for Science in the Public Interest) that there's a theory that "whole grain" products that are overly processed may raise blood sugar, so maybe that's what you're referring to....? But the theory is that, while NORMALLY whole grains are harder to absorb, when they become so overly ground down and finely processed to make a product that will offer up the same "soft and smooth" texture of white bread, they have become such small molecules that they, too, are more quickly absorbed in to the blood stream. I know I've seen wheat breads that brag "your kids will love it! Soft like white bread!" So I think it may be referring to that sort of thing? But that's just a theory that I haven't seen much research behind - but it wouldn't surprise me! Again, the more heavy and harsh the processing, the more we move away from the way the food grew in the first place, the less natural and healthy it may become.

I like the Ezekiel breads - they're kind of pricey, but they freeze well and when you don't eat much bread, it lasts for a while :) But they, to me, seem like good tough natural grains (though check the ingredient list - I'm blanking on if there's wheat in them!) They aren't soft, fluffy bread, but good dense slices that seems hardy to me!



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DS9KIE,
Thanks for the link. It is a nice summary of the philosophy/theory behind ETL and was just the right thing for me to read today. One of the comments to the article noted that it is amazing how desperate many of us are to retain our unhealthy cravings even in the face of a better way.


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I'm not sure if this will help but I think its kinda what your talking about

www.diseaseproof.com/archives/weight
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Thank you very much to all that replied. It's wonderful support!

I am indeed thinking about trying GF products. The book Wheat Belly warns against them because they seem to raise the blood sugar level (the way bread and sugar does, too). But I wouldn't be eating a lot of them anyway, given that 'one cup of starches' that ETL advises. It's just very inconvenient sometimes if you can 'never' have something like bread.

June, yes yes, I too often think that there's a difference if you've been dieting and yo-yoing for a long time.

Woofgang, thank you for mentioning the health improvements. I need to remind myself of those more often. I'm also very glad to hear about your friend's improved eyesight, because I've secretly been hoping that mine will improve, also...!


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I didn't get to read all the responses - so sorry if I'm repeating!!

Busy, but read your original post and wanted to comment. You sound SO MUCH like one of my best friends who is sensitive to wheat. She gets moody and crabby when she eats it, and if she eats it often for a prolonged time, she gets migraines and back aches. She has told me how much better she feels on a gluten-free diet, but doesn't always stick to it.

So, yes, it is possible to be that sensitive! You're not alone!!

Making a switch to a GF diet can be an adjustment, but you don't have to feel deprived :) There are soooo many wonderful, tasty GF options - whether you find things specifically marketed as GF (though, I find they tend to raise their prices as a marketing thing), but also all the wonderful things like rice noodles, quinoa macaroni, other whole grains.... you can find other breads and pastas that don't have gluten, so you can still enjoy your starch without the effects of the wheat :)

It'll take some time to adjust as you find new brands and flavors you like, but you've already made awesome adjustments to your diet with the EtL stuff - this will go right in line with that! You can do it!! And we're here to support you :)



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there are all kind of gluten free foods & recipes out there.
if the wheat allergy showed itself by making your face or throat swell up you would stop eating it. there really is no difference, its just a matter of the signs of the sensitivity.
Good luck, any change in lifelong habits is hard. Personally, I find this change worth it.

Good Luck,Good Health!
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Interesting stuff. For me I don't think it's wheat, but processed sugar. Have just a bit and it will trigger all kinds of cravings and it is almost impossible for me to stay on track. Sounds like that is what is happening to you with wheat.

I think we are all different, but I have learned the hard way that I cannot have just one, or a little bit, or just this once. It's a very slippery slope and I am right now in the process of clawing my way back because I thought I could have have "just a little bit"...the ironic thing is that I didn't even crave it. The 4-6 week period (and I honestly don't remember how long it was) that I went through getting it out of my system was tough, but I was so geeked and psyched up about the weight loss and the blood sugar numbers dropping, that it sort of offset the mental/emotional difficulty of eliminating processed sugars from my diet. Once I got through that, I didn't have any cravings at all - so why on earth I decided to have a treat now and then which turned into every day which turned into an increase in my blood sugar numbers and the scale creeping up significantly, I don't know.

If you can focus upon the health improvements, the better sleep, more energy, clearer brain (and friend who started eating Dr. Fuhrman's Basic Green smooothie daily told me for the first time ever in his life, his eyesight improved at an annual eye exam, this is someone who doesn't need to wear corrective lenses but was getting to the point where he felt like things were getting blurry, anecdotal but still....) weight loss, if you can focus your energy on all that positive stuff, use craving time to exercise, clean out closets, organize pantry etc. - then maybe in 3 wks or 6 wks or whatever it ends up being for you, you'll find that you don't have those cravings anymore and you'll be able to stay away from wheat knowing what a tailspin it puts you into.

GOOD LUCK!

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I can so identify with much of what you experience Christina and sure wish I had an answer.

Developing a health style of eating is paramount (and there are many, many plans that meet this criteria).

Having a plan that you can live with comfortably.

Getting in touch with how various foods affect you.

I personally believe that some of us (talking about myself) who have struggles with weight for so long, are a bit different that those who have put on a few pounds and can take them off and keep them off.

Finding something that works and you can live with, to me, are the keys to success.

Not much help, am I!!!!

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Unfortunately, wheat may be the cause of your problem. Luckily, there are a number of great wheat free alternatives that you can try. Don't get me wrong, some are not so great. I find white bread and pasta and the like to be addicting in and of themselves. I don't know how much the wheat component contributes to the addictive nature. I think the processed nature and empty carb content also contribute greatly. Try some wheat free bread and crackers and see if those help. I like the Udi's bread and bagels the best of what I have tried. I love Mary's Gone Crackers as a cracker alternative. These things are definitely more expensive but I feel they are worth it because 1. they contain healthier ingredients (at least the crackers) and 2. they don't promote the same kind of cravings and toxic hunger. I have binged on the crackers but I think that is a thing brought on by carbs in general. Carbs make me want to eat more carbs. That is just how it is. Good or bad carbs have that same effect. I don't binge to the point of stuffing myself though and I don't get the toxic hunger.

Just something to try. It s hard to change your life and eating habits. I think transitional foods help. They make you feel less deprived.

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Sorry this is so long....

I started the six week plan on August 6. After the first six weeks I decided to continue, but to do a couple of days on the Life plan per week. I haven't yet startted to formally introduce the 'Life plan days' - but I have let up a bit on the rules, eating a bit more starches than the six week plan prescribes. this is week 8 for me.

After six weeks I went out to dinner with my husband (it was his birthday) and ate some wheat.
That started strong cravings for bread and sugar and cheese in me. Or, that's my guess. Last weekend I had a binge on bread and cheese and since then I have a very hard time dealing with cravings. My weight went UP with about 2 lbs. Argh.
I'm also having a lot of doubts and questions that no one seems to know an answer to. Wrote about that in my blog entry of last sunday. (over here: http://www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_j
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I still have a hard time believing - even though all the signs are there and I read about it in the book Wheat Belly - that I am SO sensitive to wheat. It influences my moods in a very negative way, causing me to have bouts of feeling very irritable and depressed, and it gives me very strong cravings and what ETL calls 'toxic hunger'. I can long for food even though I've just eaten. No fun. As I said I suspect that it's the wheat causing these problems but part of me also still can't believe it.
So I'm trying to figure out what to do. My idea right now (but I'm not done thinking it over) is to try to continue to go without wheat for a few weeks, I'm thinking 4 weeks or more (IF I can manage to do that) and see if those crazy cravings go away. If they do I may need to face that I can never eat bread / wheat again and that will be hard. ETL says that it takes 'in general' six weeks (!!!) for the hunger feelings to 'normalize' and for true hunger to appear.

If these cravings don't subside even after 4 or more weeks of abstinence from wheat... well, I may have to see just what I will do. I've no idea, honestly. I may go back to trying to eat 'everything in moderation', though right now I can't imagine I'll ever be able to eat sugar (things like cake and ice cream and chocolate) 'in moderation'...

My strategy right now is to tell myself, if I have cravings / toxic hunger right after a meal, that I need to stick it out for at least two to three hours, and go do something else to 'pass that time'.
But it's no fun and I am not sure I can pull this off and resist the urges to eat (bread and such) for as long as is needed for the toxic hungers to go away. In the past weeks I've had two moments when my resistance just 'snapped' and I said 'I can't do this'. I simply could not resist the urges to overeat on bread any more. The cravings just kept tugging at me.
So that seems like a vicious cycle...

I am thinking of doing an intake with a dietician who is said to have a 'holistic' approach... Maybe she can support me and offer me advice re: going off wheat. The weight counselor I saw before said she couldn't help me though because I was 'too extreme' in my food choices (not eating everyting in moderation, she meant, cutting out food groups like sugar). I have no idea if I can find (and afford!) a dietician, or some other professional for that matter, who is open to the ETL ideas and willing to support me.

Edited by: CHRISTINASP at: 9/25/2012 (04:40)
Keep it simple.


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