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Okay, weird. I posted a reply to this, and it is gone. I wonder if I pressed the wrong button when I went to post?

Now, I can't remember what I said. It was brilliant, of course.
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Seriously, I think I was pleased for you that you get to listen to the music you enjoy still.

And I agreed that sometimes living according to Church Teaching can get easier as we are married and get older. However, I know it can still be tricky at times. It is too easy to fall!

It's so true that our children may choose to do things that we would not wish them too. It's the sad fact of being parents, I believe.

I am so glad that the old rhythm method has graduated to a much more reliable and user-friendly methods such as the sympto-thermal method and the Billings method.

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edited to add - I know something else I wanted to say - Amen to trying to be a better Catholic. That's all we can do, right?

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@ CJ Education in these areas is so important. But, it is so difficult to address this as parents we sometimes don't know when or how. Sometimes we fail to consider that our children really may choose to do things we don't want them to. And even as a young married couple my wife and I didn't really know how to practice the "rhythm" method? At any rate when your married and raising a family it becomes easier to live according to Gods will and even then we make mistakes

As for the music we have good radio stations in Detroit that play Gospel music so I still listen ever Sunday. I haven't really visited other types of Churches lately I've just been trying to work on being a better Catholic.

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Thanks for weighing in, DFUQUA98! (that sounds funny on a weight-loss site!)

Have you ever considered a Charismatic Mass? That might have the music you are missing from your Baptist days. I know I enjoy the music at those Masses sometimes.

I agree that abstaining before marriage is definitely a wonderful thing. It prevents so many issues!

Limiting the number of children we have for important reasons such as financial considerations is part of our responsibilities as Catholic parents. Responsible parenthood means we can choose to prudently and generously decide to have more children, or space or limit our family, for sound reasons. However, contraception is not morally available to us. Fortunately, we are able to work with God's plan for our fertility, through Natural Family Planning.

Some people are not aware that contraceptives can be abortifacients (meaning they cause abortions). I was certainly shocked when I learnt that!

I agree wholeheartedly that we all fall short in our lives as Christians. We are all in need of Christ's forgiveness. (I know I spend a lot of time in the Confessional!) I am thrilled that you have started going to confession. The Church rejoices when her members return to the flock!

Praise be to God!

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edited to add - just wanted to share - it took me YEARS to listen to God's call for conversion of my heart in the areas of abortion and contraception. I was once pro-choice, and did not listen to anyone else telling me otherwise. I also used to practise contraception. But God changed my heart. Or rather, I allowed Him to change my heart, as it was my stubbornness and sinfulness that prevented Him from doing so. Anyone else struggling with these issues, I would highly recommend reading Humanae Vitae, The Good News About Sex and Marriage (by Christopher West), and anything by Jason Evert (he writes for teens, so I found his stuff easy to digest).



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I enjoy being Catholic too. I love to get down on my knees and pray. I love the order of mass too. I miss my gospel music. When I married my wife I wasn't a practicing Catholic and we were attending a Baptist Church. I really love the music and still listen and sing on my way to Mass. As for the politics of being catholic be it being pro-life or talking about contraception or homosexuality. I know what I'd like to see and that's kids waiting until they are Married before having sex. As for contraception I understand why married people would not want to have more children than they can afford to raise. I personally would rather see them use contraception than have an abortion. I think we have all made choices that go against the will of God and when we do we must repent. I pray for forgiveness of my sins and and have actually started to go to confession.

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Amen to that - I, too, love being a Roman Catholic!

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yes you are correct with that

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That is a really thought-provoking quote... and how many of those millions are actually 'Catholic'?


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Interesting quote, Julie! Thanks for sharing it with us.

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What a great quote! Thanks.

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Not 100 in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think the Roman Catholic Church is. -- Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

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I agree Kate tooo

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I agree, Kate!

I wonder what happened to that woman from the time she married to the time she became an atheist. There must have been a lot of hurt or something to leave like that. Maybe she was really confused?

Happy birthday, by the way!

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My dear friend's eldest son married a woman who was raised Catholic. She insisted they have a Catholic wedding, in a church. They didn't have a Mass, but did have a Catholic service. They found a deacon at a small local church who agreed to marry them.
The marriage lasted two years. She never went to church again, and said she was an atheist. Yet, she called herself a Catholc?
My biggest beef is with the politicians who flaunt their "strong Catholic belief" and insist on receiving Communion. Then they just make a mockery of the faith they supposedly cherish! Maybe they really don't understand, but I think it's from not wanting to really confront teachings rather than stupidity. Arrogance is way worse than ignorance. The latter can be remedied, and easily forgiven. The former is tougher.
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Andy many think like that girl did

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I agree, Andy. Those I have met who disagreed with Church teaching for the most part knew full well they were dissenting. It is unusual to find some who is unaware.

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Interesting question...

Years ago, I met a girl at college and we both discovered we were Catholic. After a few conversations, I found out that our understanding of being Catholic was quite different. She held a position that attending Mass was not necessary, accepting the Pope as head of the church not necessary and that a belief in the Immaculate Conception was not relevant.

It was the first time I had met someone who said they were Catholic but held beliefs contrary to my own. I tried to share my understanding and beliefs but she said that we would have to agree to disagree. Since then I have met others who held differing points of view but they have always seemed to know they were holding conflicting view points but not this girl.

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thank you for this thread.. I love being Roman Catholic.


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You're welcome, Ramona!

Barbara - thanks for weighing in. It's good to see you!

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In very simple and not long sentences, I belive in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, God, Eucharist and LIVING the Word......not just saying I am Christian Catholic......and attending mass weekly and somtimes during the week and being an active participant, EM, lector, RE teacher, and different committes for the betterment of our parish/city.

Barbara .....that's what my friends call me! Never cared for the name Barb.

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Hey, everybody!

Kate, I echo CJ... I wish the site wasn't cumbersome for you... have you considered contacting site administration and detailing what your problems with the site are? Perhaps they are unaware that the visually impaired can't use the site easily. Chris Downey seems like the sort of guy who would be interested in that information - maybe contact him directly through Sparkmail.

...and I'm glad you found this thread, too. You reminded me of a few things I'd neglected to include in my original post... the various Rites of the Church. I've included a link that explains the whole thing in a very simple straightforward way for anyone interested:

The Rites Of The Catholic Church:
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CJ, I grew up practicing in the Ukrainian Byzantine Rite (nothing except the Roman Easter Vigil can come close to the Byzantine Easter Mass for me... I can still sing the Mass even though I've not attended for many years except very occasionally for funerals) - and there are 13 other Churches under this rite in full Communion with Rome - Albanian, Belarussian/Byelorussian, Bulgarian, Czech, Krizevci, Greek, Hungarian, Italo–Albanian, Melkite, Romanian, Russian, Ruthenian, Slovak.

There are also Coptic (Alexandrian Rite) Catholics who are in full Communion with Rome... I think it's so sad that so many cultures were split between Orthodox and Catholic.. and that it seems so difficult to bring us back into unity. I pray for this, too, and I think it's beautiful that in small pockets and communities people like you and your students are finding common ground... that you are being the change you want to see. I think this is what will bring about renewed unity.

Kate, I wonder if this is another difference between the American and Canadian Catholic Church (or maybe the differences are eparchical?)... here in Canada, married Byzantine Catholic Priests (they immigrate from the Ukraine) are allowed to serve as priests. My home town Ukrainian Church has had nothing but married priests for over 25 years now, and many of them have moved on to different parts of the country. One eparchy in Canada also ordained a married man in the last dozen years.... and (I just discovered) apparently several married men have been quietly ordained in the US. www.newbyzantines.net/byzcathculture
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I really appreciate everyone's willingness to share here. What amazes me as I study and learn, is that it seems to me there are so many diverse expressions of what it means to be 'Catholic'. I think the more we come to know and understand one another, the greater chance we have of mending all the rifts.

Sweet dreams, all!

P.S. CJ! I can't believe I 'forgot' the pro-life and Theology of the Body aspect of my Catholic identity! I really appreciate you reminding me, and I added to my 'profile'! THANKS!

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Wonderful thoughts, Kate!

I am saddened that you are unable to move easily through the site as it gets bigger and bigger. I will certainly miss you if you are unable to join us often, as I enjoy your posts.

I am glad that you found this thread, though!

I always thought the Byzantine rite was the Ukrainian rite. We have many Ukrainians in Winnipeg, and the rest of Manitoba. They certainly have a beautiful liturgy, and are in full Communion with those of us in the Roman or Latin rite.

I just looked it up - many Ukrainian Catholics were forced to become Ukrainian Orthodox. They have been reunited with Rome, and that is why they are in Communion with those of us who are Latin rite.

We have some Coptic Christians at our school, but they are separated brethren. I pray often with my Coptic Christian students that as we have almost all the same beliefs with the exception of our hierarchy. We also have Greek Orthodox.

I pray that all separated brethren will be re-united.

I completely agree that we should pray for our priests, and for our politicians.

It is very sad that married priests were not allowed to celebrate the sacraments, even when they were in Communion with Rome.

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Well, this site is getting harder and harder for me to use, so I may just not be around much. It makes me sad, as you all are my support network as much as my local folks are! But this topic hit home, so I'm responding.
Most of you know that the Roman rite, though by far the largest, is not the only rite of the true Catholic church. I attended the Byzantine Catholic church locally for 20 years, and still have an affinity for it. I have been to the Ukrainian Catholic church as well. Some are really part of the Orthodox church, but really are Catholics in their heart. In the early 1900's, when Eastern European Catholics were coming to the U.S. and Canada as well, their priests, according to accepted law in those rites, were married. Sadly, many bishops in North America refused to allow the priests to practice as Catholics. The rites that the people knew were dear to them, so many became Orthodox to keep their spiritual leaders and way of worship.
There are many "out there" offshoots which are not accepted, though the La Fevrites have been approached. The belief there, as I was told by some local, lovely members of that church is that no priest ordained under the popes after Pope Pius XII were valid. Well, that's silly. But, I'd say that in belief, they are rock solid for the most part.
There certainly are many who profess to be Catholic and don't abide by church teachings on things just as or more grievous than who is a valid priest. Being in favor of open homosexual unions, the killing of the unborn, frail elderly and disabled I think would cause Our Lord far more sorrow than other things.
Those offshoot groups are pretty small, and we need to pray for them. I can't say I agree with all positions taken by the U.S. Catholic Bishops, but try to abide in all things by church teachings as I understand them through continuing knowledge and prayer. God is far more merciful than human beings, and we need to pray for politicians especially, who tout their Catholic faith, and flaunt it in the face of the press.
Equally, we must pray for our priests, who are so much the aim of the devil and all his minions. I know I am a very sinful person, just because I am human. I probably sin less than some holy men and women, who are much more the target for the evil one, as they have given so much more.
Great topic!
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very well said CJ

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I agree with all of the things that you have listed in your original post, Ramona. I would add, for me, being pro-life (after having a true conversion of heart on this issue; God is so good), and not using contraception, but rather working with God's plan for my fertility.

I like your answer, Dee, as well. I agree with that as well.

I, too, am saddened by the divisions that I am learning about in the Church. It is definitely the work of the devil. Fortunately, I know the ending - God wins.

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I mean I've been to mass and received communion. I had confession, done my Rosary and Novenas and live to help anyone I can.


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I say I am CATHOLIC BY MY ACTIONS
going to church , communion , helping others and doing what I can to help others and show them the real me

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Interesting pronouncement...

Scrupulosity? No... curiosity (I'm quite fine with my Catholic self... 'warts' and all... God made me, and in all my imperfections calls me perfect, and loves me deeply as he calls me further into all I can be).

...I'm not sure 'contentment' is ever my primary goal in anything (I'm not sure it should be anyone's over-riding goal). I'm actually quite content within my current disequalibrium.

My post reflects:

Sincere consideration of who I am when I say I'm Catholic.

Sincere inquiry.

Sincere amazement at what I'm discovering.

I am:

Seeking to understand my faith ever more deeply.

Seeking to deepen my connection to the Church and the Sacraments.

Looking to open up a conversation.
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don't nit pick. not if you want to be content in your faith. Scrupulosity? Relax and love the church as you have it, Sounds OK to me.

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I used to think I knew what being 'Catholic' meant... I've been calling myself a Catholic for 50 years (raised in the Roman and Byzantine(Ukrainian) rites)...

For me this means:
~ I practice my faith fully in the Roman Rite
~ I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of Heaven and Earth and all that is seen and unseen...
~ I believe in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord, conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and became man and was crucified for us and for our salvation...
~ I believe in the Holy Spirit the Giver of Life, I believe in the one holy, catholic and apostolic church (and I follow her tradition, teaching, and example to the best of my ability whether I understand it, agree with it, or not)...
~ I believe in the communion of saints (and look to their example and join my voice with them in prayer)...
~ I believe in the forgiveness of sins (and avail myself of the Sacrament of Reconciliation)...
~ I believe in the resurrection of the body and life everlasting...
~ I go to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation (more often when I can)...
~ I believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist...
~ I revere Mary as Mother of Jesus and the first disciple, and do what I can to learn from, and follow, her example...
~ I participate in the active life of my parish...
~ I allow the Church calendar to define the seasons of my year...
~ I feed the hungry...
~ I clothe the poor (and try to live a life of simplicity in solidarity with them)...
~ I fight for freedom and justice for the disenfranchised in my community...
~ I read and study my Bible...
~ I have an active prayer life...
~ I evangelize by example and invitation...
~ I am pro-life and believe passionately in natural family planning and in working within God's plan for my marriage and my fertility (I fully embrace Blessed JPII's 'Theology of the Body')
~ I do my best to balance my passion and commitment to my faith with compassion, while I defend my faith and my Church from attack from within and without...
~ I am raising my daughter in the faith as I know it...

...And now, in my current efforts to be the best 'Catholic' I can be, I learn that the Church, in addition to its wondrous diversity, is fraught with strife and schismatic nuances of which I had been previously and blissfully unaware.

Latin(Extraordinary Form)/Roman(Ordinary Form) - Mozarabic, Ambrosian, Bragan, Dominican, Carmelite, Carthusian Catholic. Byzantine Catholic. Alexandrian (Coptic, Ethiopian/Abyssinian) Catholic. Syriac Catholic. Armenian Catholic. Maronite (Syriac, Malankarese) Catholic. Chaldean (Syro–Malabarese) Catholic. Traditionalist Catholic. Tridentine Catholic. Old Catholic. Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic. Sedevacantist Catholic. Conclavist Catholic. Novus Ordo Catholic. SSPX Catholic. Lapsed Catholic.

The above groups, not to be confused with the reformation 'protestant' churches (and subsequent divisions, people within all these groups claim a sincere 'Catholic' identity. If I looked even harder, I suspect I'd find more. Several of the Catholics identifying with certain of the above groups would, in all likelihood and unfavourably (and wrongly), label me a Liberal Catholic.

So, when you say you're Catholic, what do you mean? Why?



For quick (and I'm sure incomplete) reference if you're so inclined:
Catholic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic
The Rites Of The Catholic Church:
www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic
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ites_and_churches.htm


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