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Ramona, AMEN!!!

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7/26/11 10:18 P

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Ramona - I love that image of Satan.

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Hi, Sister Regina! I tried checking the links out on your page, but you're set to 'private' and I can't get in, LOL!

What you say is so true... I am well aware of Lucifer and guard my soul accordingly... we've sat across the table on many an occasion... and prayer has always been and continues to be my protection, my comfort and my hope. I had the great pleasure, privilege and delight to know a dear priest and exorcist many years ago who always spoke of the devil as big, black, ugly, salivating and snarling dog that we best treat with respect, but not empower inappropriately. His power and reach extend only as far as the heavy chain to which he is tethered allows... a chain which is grasped firmly in the hand of our Father in Heaven. I LOVE that image.

I'm a doer, a thinker, a questioner... I'm the child who points out that the emperor has no clothes... and it is these qualities which have ever lead me into a more profound faith experience... as does my humanity... next to my faith, my humanity is my greatest strength and most treasured gift.

The degree to which people on this team seem to avoid anything personal when it comes to exploring faith is starting to be a source of amusement for me. I'm looking for sincere consideration and sharing of our human experience, and I get sermons. I look for conversation, and I get censure and even recrimination. I look for a deeper understanding of our brokenness and redemption, and I get walls of silence.

With respect to this topic as initially presented, I can see value in discussing the situation and the feelings/thoughts/musing it ignites because then, when I encounter in person, people who would position themselves within the situations to which I linked, I am prepared to witness compassionately and in such a way as to invite them to consider otherwise.

Piety has never sat well on me. I'm a passionate, exuberant, 'in the trenches' kind of gal... I've never avoided feeling uncomfortable. To explore discomfort at a distance from the source is to gird onself against the real threats to my soul... so I'm moving my seeking, and questioning, and exploring elsewhere.

Thanks for responding! If you add me as a friend I will check out your page. God bless!

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7/26/11 9:58 A

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Hi Ramona, guess what there is a devil, a satan. If we leave ourselves open Bingo- its like saying"come one in" welcome". Why is Our Mother Mary making so many visits here on earth? Why is the elements and creatures God created for man going against man??? Is God speaking to MANKIND? through all of these disasters? We need to Pray, Fast, and do Penance, Sacrifice. So many Souls will be lost if we don't Pray as we ought to pray. If we only knew and understood the Power of PRAYER!!!
May the the Holy Spirit enlighten all as to who we are and what we should be doing.
Say close to the Heart of Jesus and Mary! And keep the only weapon we have against the evil one- the ROSARY. I read one time where the devil hates the Blessed Mother Why? because She loves him. I laughed out loud, it must go against his grain.He shows his stupidity ( and this astounds me since he was created the most intelligent angel) by his repeated actions.
Let us unite together in our great prayer of the Rosary and try to attend daily Mass and receive Holy Communion when possible. This keeps us spiritually fed for the journey and we do not invite uninvited guests in our souls. Hope this helps.
Check out the links on my page here or search Holy Rosary out..


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thanks for the info

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Thanks for the warning, JESUSLOVR. I think I'll skip that network, lol! Sometimes, I wish to be informed as to what is being said about us (the Church), but other times, I know it is there, and just want to get on with my faith without being 'bashed'.

You're right, many protestants think we worship Mary. I have often wanted to ask someone who thought that why they followed the 10 Commandments, but do not honour the mother of their Lord and Saviour?

Ramona - I think that you will find when you study the lives of saints, from ancient times to the present, that the Church probably takes stuff like this in stride, as she has been around for so many years, and seen persecution in so many ways and guises. She just keeps doing what she does, and things move slowly, but that is typical with an 'organization' that has been around for so many centuries. The dissenters usually disappear or fade away, but the Church (and God!) remain.

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Catholic bashing is perfectly legal. If someone did it against the Jews it would be called Antisemitism and stopped in its tracks. Want to hear a lot of Catholic bashing? Watch TBN the protestant network. It's subtle sometimes and sometimes not. For me, the rosary is a symbol of comfort. I carry one with me wherever I go. We can't seem to make the bashers understand that we pray THROUGH Mary and the Saints, not TO them. The rosary is a wonderful prayer and is a great way to fall asleep at night, with it wrapped around my praying hands.

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AMEN, Kate!!! I completely agree with all you said.

CJ, you made an interesting point... I haven't been putting these things into the context of 'persecution'... that's something to think about.

I'm simply taken aback at stuff like this - I don't 'put stock in it' - I can view it as nothing less than ludicrous - I don't think it diminishes the rosary in any way.... I've never really considered myself naive (I have never thought in terms of persecution from within the church and until recently, I thought I was rather 'liberal' overall), but it seems that, when it comes to the more controversial aspects of the Church, I've been living under a rock... the Cornerstone, to be sure, but a rock none-the-less, LOL.

I have a stew of feelings to go along with all of this, too... though I honestly don't stew about it (I know it seems that way given my activity on the threads of late... just on a steep learning curve at the moment). I just wonder if other people are aware of this stuff, how they feel about it, how they respond to it... and the magnitude of the task before me in preparing my daughter to deal with it sits a little heavy. I'm coming very late to apologetics, LOL.

Don't any of you feel a little angry that people such as these are out there representing us as 'Catholic'? I can't help but wonder why the 'CHURCH' isn't more vocal about these "?" ...I don't even know what to call them... 'aberrations'? I worry about people whose only exposure to Catholicism is this sort... and I suppose I now can understand it a little better if people look at me askance when I identify myself as Catholic.

And honestly... while I try to be compassionate (though I think they are wrong-headed, the 'Catholics for Marriage Equality' seem to be, in their mission, looking for a Church sanctioned way to extend compassion to their loved ones), does the Church (outside of Bishops and whole congregations) excommunicate anyone anymore?

Mostly, it all makes me want to be a better Catholic (and so much better informed) so I can refute this stuff with the truth of the Church.

Does that make sense?

Am I making you all crazy?



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Well said, Kate!

Glad you found this thread as well.

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Well, if there are a few who truly believe in the Blessed Mother, and through her hope to come closer to her divine Son, then, we need to pray that she will use those misguided prayers. God can use anything.
I believe that most of the people who pray this way just want to be in the face of the true church, but who are we to know if someone might find his/her way to true union with the church? Frankly this makes me gag, but God is so far beyond us in wisdom and love. Like cj says, we need to pray a lot for confused, angry and hurting people.
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far fetched a lot of the things no believers like to do

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Ramona, unfortunately, the world is full of things like this. It is upsetting when an object of devotion for us (in this case, the Rosary) is ridiculed in this manner. I join you in your sadness and confusion on this issue, but do not put much stock in it.

The Church has been, and always will be, persecuted until the end of time, of which only God the Father Himself knows.

I will continue to pray the rosary proudly, and even add in quite a few prayers for those people who are struggling with same-sex attraction.

May God have mercy on us all.
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edited to add - it is ludicrous for some to believe that Ruth and Naomi (daughter and mother-in-law) were in a lesbian relationship with each other. Likewise for the other relationships mentioned. Clearly a case of, If-You-Look-You-Will-Find, no matter how far-fetched.


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read the articles thanks for sharing

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...“eisegesis” (the interpretation of a text by reading into it one's own ideas).

I stumbled across something today that shocks me, confuses me, and leaves me with more questions than I can possibly answer... frankly, I'm not even sure where to start looking for the answers....

You can read it for yourself here:

Homosexual activists design ‘Relational Mysteries’ for Rosary
www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/homo
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xual_activists_design_relational_mysR>teries_for_rosary/


“Relational Mysteries” Prayed at Berkeley’s Newman Center
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In a nutshell, a layperson (Mr.Eugene McCallum, inspired by Blessed JPII's additions (!), and a member of 'Catholics for Marriage Equality') has formulated a variety of ammendments for the rosary, one of those sets
(! there are more !) being the 'relational mysteries':

1. Fidelity - Ruth's pledge to Naomi (Ruth 1:16-18)
(supposedly an example of a lesbian relationship)
2. Grief - The parting of David and Jonathan (I Sam 20:35-42)
(supposedly a Biblical 'love triangle')
3. Intercession - Esther intercedes for her people (Est 4:9-5:2)
4. Restoration - the raising of Lazarus (John 11:38-44)
(supposedly the call to 'come out')
5. Discipleship - the two encounter Christ on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35)

(there aren't enough emoticons to express my feelings right now)

This is what the Catholic Catechism says about homosexuality:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.


If you're wondering what 'Catholics for Marriage Equality' stand for, you can read it here:

Catholics for Marriage Equality
www.catholicsformarriageequality.net
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Thoughts? Concerns? Comments? Reactions? Responses? Musings?

I went and read every one of those Biblical passages, and I can't see how one can 'go there' with this... though I can see how a particular mindset could be led astray by them.

Honestly, my 'education' of late into all things 'Catholic' leaves me bewildered and searching ever more deeply... the trouble is the more I look, the more concerned I become... it's no wonder it's become so difficult for some to find meaning (or solid teaching) in the Church...



...And just in case anyone thinks it's not possible to be orthodox, Catholic and gay (all in the same person):

Steve Gershom: Catholic, Gay, and Feeling Fine, Thanks
www.stevegershom.com/
(there is apparently hope...)



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