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Thank you for the links, Ramona. I have been through most of them!

Can't find the info my priest was talking about. I'll have to ask him again when I see him in
August or September (he is not my parish priest, but one of the priests from whom I receive the sacrament of penance, and also the priest affiliated with my school).

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While still not addressing your original question, CJ, I thought these links were interesting:

New Guidelines For Tridentine Mass - 10 Key Facts
www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?numb
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Tridentine Mass
www.enotes.com/topic/Tridentine_Mass
(Last two paragraphs?)


Concerning the Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Dei
www.ewtn.com/library/curia/CEDMeyer.
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m

(maybe this one does?)


"However, to celebrate the Tridentine Mass a priest must not only have the papal indult but his bishop's permission, and certain conditions are set on the faithful as well, such as accepting the reforms of Vatican II." (fragment of an answer)
www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.as
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number=369769&Pg=Forum8&Pgnu=3&recnu=63



Would this be it?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summorum_Ponti
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cum

"Conditions for use of the 1962 MissalThe conditions for the use of the 1962 Missal previously in force are replaced by the following:

In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or religious, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum (when private Masses are not allowed). For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest has no need for permission from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary. Celebrations of Mass as mentioned above may—observing all the norms of law—also be attended by faithful who, of their own free will, ask to be admitted. (Articles 2 and 4)

In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church. In churches that are not parish or conventual churches, it is the duty of the Rector of the church to grant this permission. (Article 5 §1 and §5)

Celebration in accordance with the Missal of Bl. John XXIII may take place on working days; while on Sundays and feast days one such celebration may also be held. (Article 5 §2)
For faithful and priests who request it, the pastor should also allow celebrations in this extraordinary form for special circumstances such as marriages, funerals or occasional celebrations, e.g. pilgrimages. (Article 5 §3)

The priest whom the pastor or the rector of a church admits to use the Missal of Bl. John XXIII must be qualified to do so and not juridically impeded (for instance by being suspended a divinis). (Article 5 §4)

Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. For a community or an entire Institute or Society to do so permanently, the major superior must decide in accordance with canon law and statutes of the Institute or Society. (Article 3)

In an interview on Vatican Radio, the then Cardinal President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei Darío Castrillón Hoyos commented that "priests can decide, without permission from the Holy See or the bishop, to celebrate the Mass in the ancient rite. And this holds true for all priests. It is the parish priests who must open the doors to those priests that, having the faculty [to do so], go to celebrate. It is not therefore necessary to ask any other permission."[10]

Article 2 of the motu proprio applies, without distinction, to priests of the Latin Rite, all of whom are therefore authorized to use, in Masses celebrated without the people, either the older (1962) or the newer (1970) form of the Roman Rite, even if they are also authorized to use another Latin liturgical rite, such as the Ambrosian Rite. It does not apply to priests of the Eastern Catholic Churches. It concerns only the Roman Rite and does not deal with use of older forms of other Latin liturgical rites, which is a matter for the authorities charged with regulating those rites.

With letter 13/2007 of 20 January 2010 the Pontifical Council Ecclesia Dei responded positively to a question whether a parish priest (pastor) or another priest may on his own initiative publicly celebrate the extraordinary form, along with the customary regular use of the new form, "so that the faithful, both young and old, can familiarize themselves with the old rites and benefit from their perceptible beauty and transcendence". Although the Council accompanied this response with the observation that a stable group of the faithful attached to the older form has a right to assist at Mass in the extraordinary form, a website that published the response interpreted it as not requiring the existence of such a stable group."



I think this may be what you are looking for, CJ:
www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/Fu
se
Action/DocumentContents/Index/2/SubIR>ndex/11/DocumentIndex/412

"The following conditions were stipulated:

a) that those requesting the permission do not "call into question the legitimacy and doctrinal exactitude of the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970";

b) that such celebrations take place only for groups requesting them, not in parish churches (except with the bishop's permission in extraordinary cases) and under conditions laid down by the bishop;

c) that "these celebrations must be according to the 1962 missal and in Latin";

d) that there "be no interchanging of texts and rites of the two missals" and

e) that each bishop had to inform the congregation "of the concessions granted by him and at the end of a year from the granting of this indult, he must report on the result of its application."



Honestly, wouldn't you think the Church would make this sort of information more eaily accessible?!


What say you, CJ... anything useful here?



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thank you so much

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Thanks you Ramona. Most interesting. I especially loved the FAQs of the first link. Will have to watch the Mass another time.

Off to cook dinner for my family ...

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Hi, CJ! We have a parish here that celebrates the Tridentine Mass weekly. I'll see if I can find anything out from someone who attends (may take me awhile, lol).

I wonder if these sites would answer your questions:

Tutorial on the Extraordinary Form of the Mass
www.sanctamissa.org/en/index.html

Traditional Latin Mass: Feast of the Sacred Heart
www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE&
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ature=player_embedded

(you can experience the whole Mass!)

I thought this was truly intriguing:
"The traditional missal functions as a living catechism of the Faith; over the course of one year, the faithful who attend the Tridentine Latin Mass and follow the prayers and readings receive a thorough instruction in all of the essentials of Christian belief, as taught by the Catholic Church, as well as in the lives of the saints."

WOW!

I look forward to learning from this thread!


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sorry no

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Hello Team!

I have been searching the internet, to no avail, and decided that I would be better served asking my wonderful teammates my question instead.

I just received an email from a Catholic friend and fellow pro-life warrior.
She forwarded an email from a man, whose name I recognized as being a devout Catholic in my community.

In the email, he asked for support and attendance at an upcoming meeting. It seems some of the faithful in my city would like permission from the bishop to have a priest be able to celebrate the Tridentine Mass on a regular (weekly at least) basis.

I remember speaking to a woman who was very interested in the Tridentine Mass. While I agree with many that it is full of beauty, and I look forward to the day when I will be able participate in that way as a visitor I did not agree with this woman who claimed that the N.O. Mass was invalid, and that she would rather not participate in Mass if it were not a Tridentine one (!).

Anyway, speaking about this to a priest that I trust, he said that priests can indeed get permission (because of a statement by the our Holy Father) to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. He did mention to me, though, that there are requirements of the faithful when celebrating the Tridentine Mass.

Does anyone know what these requirements are? I remember he said something about a working knowledge of Latin. The priest told me if I was just visiting a Tridentine Mass, I did not need to meet the requirements, but only if I was to participate regularly, so I did not write them down or memorize them, lol.

Any info is appreciated!
Thanks!

cj

Edited by: CJBAGGINS at: 7/13/2011 (16:37)
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