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As far as I can see, going to a Pentecostal church when her own understanding of the Catholic church isn't rock solid would be a not so good thing. It's important to learn to get along with others who have somewhat different beliefs from ours.
Yet, there is a real mission in churches like this to evangelize the Catholics. As others have said, we are seen to be going to hell and must be saved. Many of the people in these churches are sincere and really care, but they are misled. Another resource on their beliefs is Tim Staples. You can find lots of his stuff on catholic.com. He knows his Bible forwards and back and still talks a bit like a Pentecostal preacher.
Instead of your daughter going to events at the other church, how about getting a multidenominational group together to do some general prayer and community service. Maybe helping with Special Olympics or at a senior center.
I'd just worry about your daughter getting confused. I remember one of my exchange students going to a local Baptist church one Sunday. The youth group kids from this church wanted to go on an outing to the amusement park, but could only go if they brought a friend. They were given extra rewards for keeping the kid going. Ugh!
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You've all giving me some very good advice, thanks again. God Bless!

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Interesting. It's sounds like the girl is confused. I think I might make a point to pick up my daughter early from these times, like before the discussions!

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I just read your response about thinking she is Catholic - maybe you should speak to her parents - Another thing I thought of was that perhaps you could start a small girls' group from her school - when I was in high school we had something called CLC or Catholic Life Community and it was all girls (there was a boys group as well) and it was started by Youth Apostles. Any ways, the basic premise was that we read the gospel for the upcoming week, talked about it, and the moderators normally tied it into a Catholic teaching - afterwards we chatted and hung out and did things like bring treats or sometimes go on fun outings - maybe you could start something like that at your house or encourage the school/parish/Knights of Columbus to endorse something.

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I think the most important thing is to talk about your faith and the differences afterwards. You can also talk about the church groups that participate in ecumenicism and I agree with another blogger - when I was younger I had a friend who went to an Assembly of God Church and has stayed protestant but came to our Catholic youth groups as well - I went with her sometimes - is there a young girls' group or a jr high youth group her friends could join her with also? I also think questioning is an important part of spiritual growth because thats how you learn the roots of the Catholic teaching - this could be an opportunity to deepen her faith. Also, maybe you could turn it into a teaching lesson (without making her feel like you're condemning her girlfriends) by saying something like "I agree the Bible is incredibly important - so is the Catechism because our Church is based on Scripture and Tradition and the Catechism is part of that - why don't we make an effort as a family to read a little more of both" or something like that in a casual way. I think that by telling her to no longer go may make it seem elusive and like that church has something you're afraid of - unless there's an atmosphere of anti-catholicism or strong indoctrination present or it starts to take president over her Catholic faith there is probably no harm - After all, Jesus created the Catholic Church and so with her receiving the Eucharist regularly and having a strong family support/teaching system she probably has the foundation to handle the experience. I hope this helps but I think that the other members touched on most of this already - Best of luck and your daughter sounds like a beautiful girl!

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I think learning about other faiths is good but I would encourage my child to invite her friends to your church's teen nights.

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God bless you, Frances.
You're welcome.

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CJ, thanks for the article is was really interesting. You are right, at my daughters age I'm not sure if she would recognize if anything were wrong. Also I think she is too young to defend her faith.

Christi, If I allow her to go again I will keep an eye on things. She is pretty open with me and likes telling me what's going on.(So far)

Thanks for your help.

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I'm replying before I read any other replies, so here's my two cents...

It sounds okay to me. Actually, it sounds pretty good. I've spent some time in pentecostal churches, and many other Christian denominations, and they are very strong on the bible and on living what they believe. The topics of those talks sound encouraging. I did not experience fun nights and topic talks in the Catholic church as a teen or as an adult, and my personal bible study originated in the protestant faiths. They taught me a lot about giving and sacrificing and loving God.

I do think it's important that you keep an eye on it, and watch out for topics having to do with eternal salvation, Mary, the Saints, confession, the Eucharist, priests, etc. Some churches I have visited have women pastors. This could be confusing for your daughter, or it could be an opportunity for her to learn more about why we believe what we believe and how to love other Christians where they are.

I'll pray God leads you to the right decision for your family. emoticon

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Hi Frances.

This is an interesting topic and one I have been thinking of broaching with my SIL as she is very willingly allowing her children (one my godson!) to attend youth services and activities with their local Baptist church. It has never sat well with me, but I do not think my objections would be met well by my family members.

Anyway, to your question.
You've gotten some thought-provoking responses already, but I wanted to add a few thoughts myself.

I do not know much about the Pentecostal faith, but I know, as Ramona has said, that they openly court (and sometimes not so openly, but no less insistently) members of other faiths.

I would be wary of any faith (like Pentecostal) who believe wholeheartedly in 'sola scriptura'. They are very much opposed to Sacred Tradition and do not listen to any responses from Catholics that do not include scriptural answers.

Also, they believe that any honour given to Mary is idolatry.

Something else I did not know until doing some research just now, was that Pentecostal members believe that Jesus is their beloved, but that the love only goes from us to Him, that it is not possible for Him to love us as we are tainted humans, and cannot possibly be worthy of it. That is so sad to me!!

Anyway, I found this article to be incredibly illuminating, and may help you in your determining if this is something you wish for your daughter.
www.catholic.com/thisrock/1995/9509f
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Some Critters have suggested that it should be all right, until your daughter feels intimidated or her faith is questioned. I would argue that at her tender age, she may not well be able to judge what they are teaching (for instance if they insist that all Truth is found solely in the Bible) to be accurate or not.

I wish you well, and pray that the Holy Spirit and your guardian angel will guide and lead you to God's will.

cj

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Ramona, it's possible. Although from what I've heard this place is the furthest thing from Catholic and they do try hard to convert people. I am hoping their youth groups are different. I think that it's probably best if I just let my daughter go once and a while not every week. I have too many concerns. I know for sure our priest would not want her going there. I haven't spoken to him because I've been home sick. He also told me to stick with Catholic teams here on SP. Thanks for your help and the links. I actually have taken the alpha course and I really enjoyed it.

Thanks to all of you for your help. I guess if I have so many doubts it's best to keep her away from it for the most part.


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Frances, it just occurred to me... I think it might be entirely possible that this particular congregation has adopted 'catholic' (universal and true) with a small 'c'... do you think that could be it? If so, that's another sign of where they are coming from... it's possible that your daughter's friend has been told that theirs is the true or 'catholic' church and that it's their obligation as Christians to lead others to the true faith... "?"


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Dearest Frances, it's a tough line to walk. I went to 'Good News Club' (Baptist Church) when I was your daughter's age for a couple of years, and I still sing the songs and can quote the Bible verses I learned then. My sister and I both credit that exposure for our own personal relationship with Christ... what was happening there helped us see Jesus as our best friend, and brought joy and laughter into our faith... our faith became personal rather than simply doctrinal. Being in a very small town everyone learned to be respectful of the faith of other's and to NOT cross any lines with respect to conversion. We consciously focused on what we had in common, and didn't discus things we disagreed on (like Eucharist). The Alpha course is a really good and positive place to look for what is common and agreed upon between all Christian churches, and I think it is contributing to greater understanding and respect for different denominations... and you can run a group easily in your home.
www.alphacanada.org/find/youth

I think it may be a bit naive to believe that just because she's not being confronted about her beliefs directly that it is 'harmless'. If you can be sure that your daughter won't be pressured or coerced in any way, I would say it is a good thing, though I also really agree with, and support the idea of, building that 'feel good & shout your faith out loud' concept into our own Church environment at the parish level. At the very least we need to ensure that our children and young people really understand what our faith teaches, and why, and they need to express their JOY in faith. Here's a local example which is bringing our youth into Church leadership in a really exciting way! You've never experienced adoration like this before... picture a church filled with teens singing, worshiping, dancing and kneeling in submission before the Blessed Sacrament! It is truly AWE-inspiring!

FacetoFace Ministries
www.f2f.ca/

Fundamentalist churches indoctrinate their children REALLY young in the 'facts' of faith, and unless your daughter has good answers when she is asked about Catholic idolotry (our statues and Holy pictures), why we worship Mary instead of God, doesn't she want to be saved and avoid Hell, does she know if she'll go to heaven or hell... all questions and more that I was asked as a young woman that led me to almost leave the Catholic Church... and I was well-versed in the Cahtechism as a child. The Holy Spirit convinced me that I needed to really understand what my own church taught before I left it behind.

Fundamentalist churches 'court' new prospects, and Catholics (in my opinion) are especially vulnerable. Many of these churches really do believe that Catholics are the devil incarnate, and that outright lack of respect for our faith always concerns me. A REALLY good book that I think every Catholic should read is 'Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic' by David B. Currie. He is a Fundamentalist preacher who, along with his whole family, converted to Catholicism in his forties. As a result of that conversion they were shuned by friends and family alike, but he became so convinced of the truth in Catholic teaching he couldn't go back. In the book he explains what Fundamentalists are taught about Catholicism (which he now believes to be very wrong, and why Catholics are especially vulnerable if they are not well-versed in the faith), and why the Catholic Church is the truth of Christian faith. It was eye-opening, heart-breaking and inspiring all at once.

It's never to early to teach our kids how to defend the faith even as we love others as God loves us.

I have no easy answers for you Frances, but I bless you and pray for you and your daughter on the journey.

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Sounds like a mission from the Holy Spirit for you!

11 year olds are still pretty fun to be around and 11 is a critical age to do some last minute imprinting before 'the culture' gets to them and they no longer listen or have any interest in anything you say or do.

Fact of life: Somewhere between 12-13 the Black Hole sucks them in and you don't get them back for 10 years or more. I was warned. I didn't heed the warning. I have been assured the Black hole will spit my daughter out at some time, but not sure she is the child I raised?

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Thanks everyone for your responses. I forgot to mention my daughters friend who goes to this pentecostal church is under the impression it's a Catholic church and she is Catholic. That is what she told my daughter. They both go to a Catholic school, I'm not sure if she is confused or if that is what her parents have told her. Maybe I need to speak to the parents of this girl.
There are no groups in our city in any of the Catholic churches for them to go to. There are some youth groups for 15 yrs and up but they're only 11yrs.

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I have gone to bible study courses in different religons because friends invite me but to change my faith NO to learn more yes and to get other peoples opinions is the best on how we see things

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I spent a lot of time with friends of other religions growing up and so did my daughter. I think it is valuable to be able to feel comfortable with that.

If there is also a group in your Catholic church, perhaps your daughter and her Pentecostal friends also want to attend those teen events together :)

You may also want to study as a family what are the various differences between the Catholic and the Pentecostal faiths.

In my opinion, only if your daughter begins to feel that the Catholic faith is being denigrated, would I consider making a change. And then it is the time to teach her to defend her faith. That way she will be understand and be prepared for those types of situations in the future.

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I am very conservative and find the charismatic movement not in my comfort zone. It may be because I left the church for so long and find having it be the same when I came back very important.
Though anyone who feels comfortable there, do not be offended.
There are many organizations within the church that promote teen involvement in the church.. We have EDGE at St. Rose of Lima in Roseville.
I really think we need to support the organizations within the church.


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Let her enjoy what is taking place at the moment. Her faith is strong enough for her to know when it is time to move up from that level.

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She will sort it all out one day.
It is good to learn about the negative side of TV watching & learn about reading the Bible and all. I did this very same thing when I was 16 years old... I am very much back to the Catholic Faith.

The Charismatic Catholics are very similar to Pentacostal and are very much approved by the Pope. I wish we had more Charismatics... because they really sing their praises at mass! You can feel their hearts are wholly into it.

It really is your decision to make.

I think when the other church begins to talk negatively about your daughter's catholic faith is when it's time to start your own youth group and in your own church & or community... like SHARMAE says.

***Perhaps, this is what God is calling you to think about. (Starting a group in your realm.) I mean, if I am wishing my kids were involved with Charismtic Catholics who read the bible... I wonder how many other mothers there are around who feel the same way! Sometimes we just need to get it started and the rest will come... ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, see what you get. God Bless!
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As the old saying goes, "you go to the pool enough times you eventually get wet."

So many of our former parishioners' children went to the fun & game times at the pentecostal church. Now they are all members of the pentecostal church. We cannot base things on sight. To be honest with you, you wrote this question because something did not seem right to you. And I am so glad you did.

Please keep your daughter's faith safe and if need be, start a small group with some of her friends right in your own home...a prayer group is a great ministry or helping out at a food pantry, etc.

Our Roman Catholic Faith is the only faith founded by Jesus Christ, the only faith that has the Eucharist--we actually receive HIM body, blood, soul, & divinity, and, the only faith that tells the entire truths of Christianity. How wonderful you are guarding your daughter's faith and soul.

You are a faith-filled mother and a strong Roman Catholic; our Lord and His mother will take care of you and your daughter. God bless you both.

I am so glad you wrote this question!!

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I need some opinions from others.
My daughter is 11 and is very strong in her faith. She is an altar server and never wants to miss Mass. Her good friend belongs to the pentecostal church and every week they have a fun night. I have let my daughter go twice now and she wants to go again. From what she has told me, they play games, have christian music and then they sit around and talk about God. They don't seem to bring other denominations into it. Last night they talked about spending more time reading the bible instead of watching TV and how it's not good to get addicted to things like video games or drugs. It seems harmless enough. Does anyone have any opinions on this? Should I let it continue?


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