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As far out as this may sound, I ultimately believe the fact that we are in attendance and celebrating the Eucharist is truly what the Church intends. As long as not blatantly indecent clothing is worn, or deliberately disruptive behavior, I'm comfortable with anyone attending and participating. Our Church today is missing so many souls. Praise be for those who do come seeking their Lord and Savior.

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You could try a scarf, snood, or one of those really wide fabric headbands--they don't call attention in the same way as a mantilla (especially a snood or headband).

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I am enjoying this discussion, and although I do keep my hat on at Mass in the winter, I do not wear a head-covering in warmer weather.
I usually wear loose-fitting trousers with a modest top.
I love the mantillas, but am not sure I wouldn't be a distraction if I wore one to my church. A very few older ladies do still wear hats, but everyone else is bare-headed.
Even though I know a mantilla could not be considered 'improper', I think I would feel very self-conscious wearing one.

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Outstanding!! You can never go wrong when asserting your femininity as something to be cherished and revered, instead of used and gawked at like modern culture encourages!



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So...I'm gonna start wearing my mantillas again and feel quite proper while doing it. teehee

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Modest attire is a debatable issue. Are you a hypocrite? I don't think so. St Paul explicitly says women should not pray with their heads uncovered. We don't get anything so specific about attire, just that men & women should not dress in eachothers' clothing. Point-blank, you're going to get as many answer from everyone who responds. Here's a quote from Pope Pius XII: "A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper."

"[VXWALL1942] As for veils, only after Vatican II were women excused from wearing head covering in church. Many continued to wear them - some because they owned lovely mantillas. My Mom wore head covering until she died. Now I believe it is a personal preference and no requirements exist."

Vatican II did not excuse women from the requirement to cover their heads, in fact nothing necessarily has. Head-covering was explicitly required in the Code of Canon Law until the 1983 version, when it just disappeared. Most people read that to mean it's no longer required. Others read that to mean it still is because wear wasn't expressly excused. Vatican II did neither either way.




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Daisy, imagine you are in an underdeveloped country where people have limited money to buy themselves proper clothes. Remember the Pharisees?

It is not in our outer appearance do we show our love and faith for God. It is in the spirit of our true faith and true service. Pray for your friend, Daisy.

Of course, we do our best to wear the modest clothes we can wear during our church visits and mass. Why? Because we respect the house of God. But, let us also consider our means. God understands. You know what? I wanted to wear skirt and the best dress I have during mass but I consider my co-parishioners who mostly wear jeans and shirts (because they can only afford these kinds of clothes - being overseas contract workers). I do not want them to stay away from me if they think am different.... It actually depends on our intentions.

Please also remember not to debate about religion in any way. That's why whenever we encounter these sorts of temptation in our faith, we pray and pray for God's blessings and graces.

Daisy, you're doing GREAT! And we all emoticon and emoticon for your faith and continuously striving for strength.

I will also pray for your friend.

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I wear modest clothes, which include pants which are not form fitting. I also wear some dresses or skirts and sweaters. I think the watchword is modesty. I know some people still say women should not wear pants, but it depends on the pants. I have some which look almost like a skirt, and are flattering while being modest.
I won't wear a head covering, as I loathe anything on my head. But, I agree with Vicky. I have trouble with nuns in secular dress. It seems that when they ditched the habits, many ditched solid Catholic teaching. I know that's not so for all of them, but there does seem to be some correlation.
Daisy, you are being mindful, and that's great. I think your nonCatholic Christian friend may have a church which requires women to wear dresses. I think overuse of makeup so that you look like you're out on the town is also inappropriate, and you don't see that many Catholics doin that. So, wear what is good for you. Your prayers will be heard, and you will not be a distraction to others. Remember, God sees us when we have no clothes on, too. Good thing he's so forgiving! LOL. :)
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Hypocrite? I think not!

Over the years - and year and years - people have dressed in accordance with what is the norm. As for me I am find with anything that is not exposing one's self in an 'inappropriate' manner. I was raised in a convent and was never allowed to have exposed arms or legs. Sleeves and hose were the order of the day. Now sleeveless and bare legs are acceptable. I think that is the answer.

As for veils, only after Vatican II were women excused from wearing head covering in church. Many continued to wear them - some because they owned lovely mantillas. My Mom wore head covering until she died. Now I believe it is a personal preference and no requirements exist.

Hey - I'm still struggling with nuns wearing secular clothes and make-up. LOL

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I agree with CJ- loose pamts are better than skimpy skirts.

Personally, I hate wearing pants and wear dresses all the time. Yet my female children wear dresses and pants, and I'm ok with that. I do require that they are not exposing clothes, until the children are old enough to not listen as one does not, but all the others dress modestly.

YOu are not being a hypocrite. I wish I had the "strength" to wear a veil!


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I do not think you are a hypocrite either.
You are not required to wear a chapel veil, but with your own research into the topic, and your own preferences, you have chosen to do so. It is well within your rights to do so.

Wearing pants, in our society, is also acceptable for you to choose to do. Some women choose not to wear pants, that is their personal preference, and the Church does not say either way what we should wear in that regard.

It sounds to me like you take great effort to dress modestly, even when wearing trousers. I am more bothered by mini skirts and immodest tops than a pair of non-form-fitting pants!

You keep doing what you are doing.

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I agree with Dee 107.
My father used to call people that nit pick about small things " holier than the Pope".
Talk to your priest and feel comfortable.
Then tell the busy body to look after her own soul.
I do try to wear a dress suit when I lector.
But I cannot wear heals so a slack suit looks much better.



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You are not a hypocrite.......
I haven't worn a dress in years- I do not like for my bare legs to be showing......

Actions speak louder than words.


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Daisy I am an extra ordianary Euchrist minister of holy communion and I go on the altar,,, I can wear shorts past my knee, pants, skirts, dresses, no v neck shirts and no tank tops must have a sleeve that is what I need to wear .. was not told to wear a veil or dresses only

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Daisy,

a: You are not a hypocrite. Trying to a better job of conforming to what you feel is the will of God is not hypocrisy.

b: Personally, I think that (on women) pants that don't have a top/blazer/sweater/whatever that covers to at least the mid-thigh aren't modest. On the other hand, my son thinks that (for anyone--male or female) it's fine if the shirt is tucked in so long as the pants aren't tight. My husband tries to stay out of conversations like that, so I don't know his opinion.

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I don't see what is immodest about pants. If anything, they cover up more than a skirt or dress. And I don't see how that relates to wearing a chapel veil, quite frankly.

The only thing I ever heard of about dress was when I went to visit a shrine in the summer and the nuns said that bare arms (sleeveless tops) should be covered up.



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No, I am short also and like pants. I wear them to help keep me warm.
At one time, we used to wear a covering over our head but that has gone by the wayside. I do take a covering when I go to Europe as some Churches do like something on a ladies head, but not all women do.
Are you comfortable with what you are wearing?
It sounds like you are properly dressed.
Each religion has their own preferences.
I think you are fine but that is my personal opinion and others may feel differently.
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Ok, please give your honest feed back on this. I'm a little discourage and not really sure what to think.

I was talking to a friend of mine earlier today about wanting to wear a chapel veil, which I have never done. She is a very devote, conservative Christian, but not Catholic. She asked me if I was going to start wearing dresses, to which I said no (the only ones I own are very dresses and not appropriate for church). I normally wear a nice sweater or blouse, usually long sleeves or 3/4 length in the warm months that is not tight or form fitting. They are not revealing in any way. I also usually wear dress slacks that are lose but not baggy. My friend said that, based on what I have told her about chapel veils, that I am being a hypocrite by showing modesty by covering my head and yet being immodest by wearing pants. I don't like to wear skirts because I am short so finding longer ones that accommodate my height is difficult and I don't like to wear shorter ones (knee length) because of body self-image issues.

I'm not really sure what to think. The last thing I want is for people to think I'm a hypocrite for wearing a chapel veil but not a dress or long skirt.

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