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4/10/08 11:59 P

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It is sad. I thought that Oprah, of all people, was strong enough to withstand criticism, but I guess all celebrities are slaves to the ratings.

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How sad is that?!!! That makes me feel really furious--every other celebrity in Hollywood has always endorsed celebrties. Elton John just did a musical thing in NewYork for HIllary last night. So why can't Oprah come out for whomever she likes? Is there some invisible boundary around her? So she's been punished for speaking her mind. (That's actually never stopped her before, though). [sigh] What a primary season. Lots of dirty stuff happening. I'm almost ashamed of SOME of the reactions that have happened these past months.

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4/9/08 11:48 P

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Here's a possible answer to the "where's Oprah," question. Read this article which says,

"Costas Panagopoulos, director of Fordham University’s Center for Electoral Politics and Democracy, has studied Oprah Winfrey’s popularity polls over the years and found that her ratings “plummeted” after endorsing Barack Obama — “almost instantly.”

Here's a link to the whole article. www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2
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This is the best team! The others I've been on have been good, too, but this one is particularly awesome! Have a great weekend everyone.

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Btw, tell us more about your community advocacy group--that sounds intriguing.

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Oh dear--I hope you didn't take my message wrong. I was just saying AND--in my adult life, I was STILL feeling disagreement with the minister at times. :-)

Lord, we were the most dysfuntional family in town, and I *was* bad (for the times--I'm 64 now, and think the stuff I did was tame, compared to some of what I see kids doing these days). Well, actually, I think people expected my brother and me to be good but I sure wasn't (think maybe he was though). There did seem to be expectations (back then, anyway) that the minister & his family could somehow be better than others (nevermind that we were all also human, but that was the thought anyway).

Someday we should compare stories :-) My "flavor" was Methodist--what was yours? (Later my husband & I joined the episcopal church and stayed there for many years).

And yes, we really are a diverse group--that's why we love Obama I think. It worries me (seriously) to realize that what I (and I guess all of us here) think is so wonderful (diversity) might still be scary to some others. I'm loving how lots of issues are being discussed--our country SO needs Barak! Long overdue!

I've enjoyed listening to the news today--just late tonight there was someone putting forth the idea that since Spitzer resigned from being governor in scandal, and the Patterson (who replaced him) may have to do the same, that perhaps Hillary could run for governor of New York--and that would give her something to make it easier to back out of the pres race. But Bill was reported to tell the press words to the effect of "no possible way." Someone said that perhaps being governor of NY would not be a particularly good job at this moment--and she would not see it that way. But you never know. That sure would be a godsend-type solution!

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May the wisdom and compassion of all beings increase, now and in the future. --Pema Chodron


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Wow--You really had it rough--double generation! Did you get told by people that you must be bad because you're a PK? I sure did. I got (and agree with) your-it's an important one. I was just trying to be cute and make a small point about divisiveness. That is, even family members can become estranged from each other if they can't get past their differences and quit defining their relationships like rebellious teenagers. In order for ANY organization to remain healty, there MUST be compromise and a willingness to suspend judgment (especially if it's based on something taken out of context).

As far as organized religion goes, I support pretty much any one of them that's having a holiday!

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I SO LOVE our diverse team here. Every post reinforces my hope of a unified, tolerant USA!

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Oh that's great!!!! I'm a PK, too (and a PGK--preacher's grandkid) :-) I had a double dose of it :-) However, I was actually making the point that even as an adult, I didn't often agree w/ everything our minister said (nor did others)--and that wasn't what kept us in the church.

Sometimes people did leave when they disagreed with the minister--but generally, folks thought of them as too sensitive, turning their back on the community over something that was petty, etc.

I WISH the tv pundits would make that kind of a point--b/c its really the truth of how a good church operates.

(Of course, I'm pretty much buddhist these days...but that wasn't because of the minister of any church...:-)

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Well said!! I am a PK (preacher's kid) and I certainly didn't agree with everything MY minister said, especially during the teen years! He was a great guy though, a community activist and a friend to many. SO, those who must judge, try to judge a person's works and not so much the words.

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Here's what I think about the Pastor Wright thing. I agree--its possible to have a minister you don't always agree with, yet still like that person, and continue to stay in the church (Catholic, protestant, whatever...)

In my opinion, we join the CHURCH COMMUNITY--not the minister! A church is, and should be, far more than merely a person standing and preaching on Sundays. A church is the collective group of people who worship together, who support each other, who create groups to interact with each other, who go out into the community to do good works...etc. I don't see why that reality is missed by so many.

I, too, have on occasion been a church member who didn't always agree with some of the minister's thinking, but certainly didn't leave the church b/c of all the things the church is REALLY about. Its great when the minister is more in tune with what the people may think, but the church is an institution--not a person.

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Very cool! I am so happy to have the opportunity to hear Barack Obama speak out on the issues. It's amazing to have a candidate I respect and am excited about! Can't wait to get to the running mate choice. Any thoughts on this?

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Yes indeed! Here's more...

Obama gets boost; Clinton urged to quit By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
20 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH - Barack Obama got a surprise boost in the last big state of the long Democratic campaign Friday with an endorsement from Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey Jr., while another Obama supporter sought to nudge Hillary Rodham Clinton out of the race.









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More chatter!!!!

On Yahoo! - read on...

By Jonathan Allen and Alex Knott, CQ Staff
Fri Mar 28, 12:10 AM ET

John Edwards' former donors broke toward Barack Obama by a 2-to-1 margin over Hillary Rodham Clinton in February, the first full month after Edwards dropped out of the Democratic presidential nomination fight.

And the beat goes on...





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I'm very tired of hearing about Rev. Wright. The week before Rev. Wright made headlines, it was determined that Obama was really a Muslim. So which is it???????

I grew up in a Catholic school and church. My pastor preached about anit-gay, divorce is wrong, sex before marriage is wrong. Did I agree with it? HAIL NO, but that was my pastor and I respected his position - and I used to swim with him at my neighbor's pool - so I guess the media would say we were close.

I truly believe in my heart that the Clinton's are behind all of these fictitious, vicious attacks. It's time for Hillary to admit the obvious. You lost, honey.





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I'm with you on every count BDICENSO. It's too bad that Rev. Wright's language was too incendiary for "polite company." I have never had patience for soft-pedaling, and would be more likely to get back into the church thing if I could listen to a preacher who is not afraid to tell the truth. I can't stand how the right-wing media takes everything out of context, boils a passionate minister's message down to a 15 second soundbyte, and treats the future of our county in the same way it would address Paris Hilton's most recent exploit. Enough already!!!!

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Senator Patrick Leahy has weighed in:

"In a statement issued Friday, Leahy — who has endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination — said Obama's lead appears to be insurmountable and that Obama's endorsement by U.S. Sen. Bob Casey is the latest sign of how the race is going.

"Senator Clinton has every right, but not a very good reason, to remain a candidate for as long as she wants to. As far as the delegate count and the interests of a Democratic victory in November go, there is not a very good reason for drawing this out. But as I have said before, that is a decision that only she can make," Leahy said in the statement.

It's time for Hillary to pack her bags and close shop.

As far as Rev. Wright, what we heard were sound bites. I do not believe that a man of God would be a racist. And he was correct: "God %!*#@# America." To me, he was correct. We are the land of the free and home of the brave. Liberty and justice for all still does not apply to everyone. Racism has no place in this country. It has always been wrong and has no place in 2008. It is time for our country to move forward and time for Blacks, Whites, Christians, Jews and Muslims to unite and look out for each other. Only with unity can we be a true nation-wide community.







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What I find most disturbing about the Wright controversy is that few seem to realize the 'graying' the of the separation of church and state. Those are not Obama's words and he wasn't in church the days the worst statements were made. For him to be responsible for those attitudes is the same flawed reasoning as imbuing your kind word to the white supremesist that bagged your groceries means to mean you share his/her convictions.

I like even less the fact that McCain sought out the endorsement of evangelicals (Rod Parsley and John Hagee) that have said just as inflammatory things, but hid behind 'I'm Christian' as an excuse. Remember, those responsible for the Crusades were "Christian" and plenty of god-awful things have been done in His name by 'followers' of many countries/leaders.

Hagee, for instance, September 18, 2006, on NPR's "Fresh Air", told the host, Terry Gross: "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans." In his book 'What Every Man Wants in a Woman'), Hagee also wrote: "As I write this book, the issue of same-sex marriage rages on the front pages of America's newspapers and is seen on national telecasts each evening...For a fact, Sodom and Gomorrah are being reborn in America...If God does not then punish America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah."
What about all the families that had not plans to participate in the parade? Were they worthy of Hagee's punishment too?

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I really hope the Rev Wright controversy ends soon. I can seem to get through one news show without seeing more and more of him. It needs to be laid to rest. I know I would hate to be held accountable for everything my pastor said. Barack stayed with him for spiritual reasons, that should be enough. Case close.

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I completely agree with you, Dorothy. I am hearing more and more that a fork needs to be stuck into Hillary's campaign - she's done. For the sake of uniting the party, she needs to drop out.

Indeed, the Clinton's are SHAMELESS. Shameless. I just don't know where they get off with their convictions that they belong in the White House.

We need to unify the party and have Obama start running against McCain.





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Hear, hear! It amazes me to see how dirty Clinton will get. Obama has been so graceful in maintaining a decent balance of running a positive, issue-oriented campaign while responding to Clinton's constant bashing (like we really need this when we already have to deal with FOX news, etc.). I am SO hoping this will end soon with Obama v. McCain. We need to get back to addressing the MASSIVE damage this country has suffered during the Bush/Cheney regime. Also, it's interesting to me to see how vastly disparate the "official" poll results, like Gallup (neck and neck)and the more direct surveys, like yahoobuzz (Obama WAY ahead--75% to 25%).

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I must agree with you. The Clinton's will say anything and do anything to get back into the White House. Their sense of entitlement is nauseating. If Hillary thinks she'll win with her divide and conquer approach. She couldn't be more mistaken. She is an evil liar. We have no chance against McCain if Hillary gets the nomination.





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The 'chatter' began before TX and OH. Its just gotten louder and more people are participating. Some say she is trying to ruin Barack so he'll lose against McCain and then she can run in 2012. How do you think she'll look in 4 years? If she keeps up this scorched earth approach, not only will she not be president, but she won't be a senator either after this is all over.

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Has anyone else been hearing chatter that Hillary is be pressured to end her campaign so the party can focus on the general election?

She really needs to. It's what's best for us, Democrats.





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Celebrity update: Last week Caroline Kennedy was in PA canvassing for Obama and helping people register to vote. I'll keep you posted if anyone else shows up!

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Saw the Charlie Gibson interview this evening. It was terrific (no surprise).

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I'm not certain but there may be hold back from celebrities because they intend to wait for the nomination. There is also a lot of flack depending on how endorsements/fund raisers are accounted for financially. Cher performed at a Clinton fund raiser and they were supposed to count it as a donation for the amount she normally charges for a performance vs the $2000 value they placed on it. Based on the outcome there may be some concern about maxing out future fundraisers, etc.


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If Hillary gets the nomination, I'll either vote for McCain or not vote at all. I truly can't stand her. She's a pathetic excuse of a woman. Her daughter is proving to be just as arrogant as her parents - and I use that term loosely.





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I think Americans have a very short memory about the Clintons. Because they were in the White House during a prosperous time in America, they associate that with the Clintons (who had nothing to do with it--the dot.com surge was simply going on...any president in office would have gotten that credit).

Americans seem to forget so easily the outrageous things that occurred. There was never a day when they weren't in the news for something embarassing or unbelievably arrogant.

One of the last things Hillary did before leaving the White House, was to tell all her supporters that now that she & Bill were having to "set up housekeeping" in other places, they would need "gifts" to help them. So she made a registry (like a bride) of expensive furniture and other items that embarassed supporters dutifully paid for to furnish her new house in New York (where she went as a carpet bagger).

I REALLY don't understand Americans sometimes. I've heard people say that its name & face recognition--having little to do with integrity, or any professed platforms or promises--that leads people to vote for certain ones. And, in America, the more outrageous your behavior--the more name recognition, etc. Maybe Britney Spears should run next time?

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I have to agree with you 100%. I loved the way Chelsea said "it's none of your business" when asked if Hillary initially blamed Monica Lewinski for the affair. Excuse me, but since the act was done in the white house and while he was president, it most certainly "is my business" as a tax payer and citizen.

It bothers me how easily they lie without regret. I love how the media is showing clips of her landing on her trip to Bosnia. HA HA HA HA HA! Why would she even make that up????? BIZARRE and SICK.

OBAMA '08!





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I think (and have thought, since they were in the White House) that the Clintons are about as dirty fighters as Karl Rove. To me, they are the (sad) democratic version of the administration we already have. They say whatever they think is politically expedient, lie without even blinking an eye and don't hesitate to say or do anything to win.Whoever gets hurt, is just "collateral damage."

Re the J. Wright (Obama's pastor) issue: I think that if all anybody ever heard of that soundbyte was the bit that had been on the tv news, it would be as bad as it sounds. Last night on CNN, Rick Sanchez played most of the whole sermon--in which Pastor Wright began by talking about countries and leaders over time who had hurt the people they were supposed to be caring for (including Americans decimating the native americans and other historical times--not all American). His POINT was, that Americans had not treated the people who were once the slaves very well since slavery--and he believed that from God's perspective, he thought God would be damning America for not loving and caring for ALL its citizens in a loving and respectful manner.

It seemed VERY different heard in its entirety. It was very critical of American hypocrisy (nothing new--that's a common viewpoint of Americans in other countries)--but HE was not saying "God-damn America." (As an expletive). He was saying that he imagines God Damns America for our unwillingness to care for the most vulnerable among ourselves. VERY DIFFERENT from the way it has been portrayed. Probably not said very well--but the point was far different from what people are saying about it.

And, to go to your point--I think Hillary is using low blows wherever she can to WIN. That's all that matters to her--winning. Has nothing to do with who or what is best for the party or the country. I have come to realize that she'd rather lose the whole election to McCain (who'll be a one-term president due to his age--and thus let her run again in 4 years) than lose the nomination to Barak--who is popular and who will make a wonderful 8 year president. That's really sad and pathetic. And she could be our next president.

What a contrast in dignity and integrity between Hillary and Barak. By the way, in this week's Newsweek, there is an interesting article about Barak's background--including how he asked his friends and family to stop calling him Barry (an American-sounding nickname) and use his true name Barak--as a part of his maturation and coming into owning his own personhood.

Its hard to find something about that man that I can't admire--he's just awesome!

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Seriously! What does everyone think of Clinton saying she would have left the church if her preacher said the things Rev. Wright said? I think it's hypocrisy, especially given her own difficult relationships! I really hate what's going on right now. McCain slides along easily with little criticism!

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Yes--where are ALL his endorsers and supporters? I don't get it. Why is everybody hanging back and letting him do this all alone?

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And where is the Kennedys lately. I was thinking that now should be the time when he needs his endorsers and backers. I am looking forward to when the Pastor Wright's sound bytes will be depleted. Enough already. lf they want to show Rev Wright, why not show him being invited to White House by the Clintons.

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Yes. I hope they haven't deserted him. I think it brings people out a lot. Many people are excited about political speeches, per se, so the famous Rock Star types are another way to encourage them to be present so that they can hear what Barak has to say.

Is anyone really in touch w/ his actual campaign in PA to ask those kinds of questions? You can write an email on his website--but I suspect they get a gazillion a day. I tried writing something there, and
just got a form email back acknowledging it. I was not surprised--but how do people ask things like that--or do we just have to wonder?

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I was thinking the same thing. ALso, where are all the celebrities that supported him early on, Ben Affleck, John Legend, Forrest Whitaker, etc. Did anyone see that "Yes We Can" music video of his New Hampshire speech? www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fZHou18Cdk All those people in the video need to come to PA and show their support! Elton John is doing a concert for HRC, why not have a concert for Obama?

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That's a shame--she has a right to support whomever she likes--and she DID bring a lot of people to his rallies before. Glad for Richardson. He needs some other people to stump for him. HRC has Bill & Chelsea (and I don't think its fair that Chelsea goes out and gives speeches as her mother's surrogate--but the press is not allowed to interview her!). I love Michelle--but he needs someone who could really appeal to the people in PA.

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Not sure where Oprah is lately - I did hear she got a lot of flack from women for not supporting HRC but I wouldn't think that would slow her down.

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What do you think has happened to Oprah? I wonder whether a huge rally that she was heading up wouldn't help Obama in Pennsylvania now? She's been kind of quiet lately.

I was REALLY thrilled when Richardson just endorsed him. I was really for Richardson in the first place--so now MY dream team would be Obama/Richardson!

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