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I hear ya, Ruthie...fixing my own vegan meals at home has become my way also of sticking to the plan as much as possible. Great that you now fix many of your vegan meats, too! (I keep hoping to achieve that, but so far have not.) Great that your hubby likes your vegan foods, too!

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Hi Terry,
You said, "Vegan restaurant choices are pretty rare in this area.". Amen to that in my local area too. There are a few in Seattle but that means either $40.00 round trip on the ferry or a 150 mile round trip drive. Not exactly economical. I have learned to make good vegan meals from scratch, including the fake meat if I want it, at home. My omnivore DH actually likes some of the meals I prepare and has requested some of them. He loves my vegan marinara and vegan spicy chili. When he takes me out to eat for our monthly "date" we go to a restaurant that has a great fruit and salad bar or to the only restaurant in the area that has vegan options, Aladdin's Palace.

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7/4/12 9:53 A

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"Not the best update but, at least I'm slowly getting better at tracking my food."

Progress, not perfection--that's the rule of the day. So you are doing good! And I guarentee you that there are others in any and all vegan/vegetarian groups who are struggling in one area or another. As long as we are humans, we will have some form of struggle.

I myself have not been doing well for some of the exact same reasons you stated. I've been having to eat out more than ever lately. (In my case it's been because of huge power outages because of storms in my area of the country.) I've slipped several times. Vegan resterant choices are pretty rare in this area.

But I have been exercising lately and suddenly have a new determination...and such is life. We will never be perfect, but we can make progress---and you are doing that!

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7/3/12 2:14 P

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I wanted to give an update in case anyone is interested ;).

I am still struggling with tracking :( but I have managed to a few days a week. I've learned that even though my eating has leveled out (days of not being hungry and barely eating and then days of starving and over eating), my numbers are still all over the place. For the most part I'm coming in under in both calories and protein, and going over on carbs. As far as fat goes, it's almost always right at the limit with a few days of being over. I'm going to have to rethink my breakfasts and lunches, because I basically eat the same things every day for those meals and they seem to be lacking the most.

Lately there has been a huge take out issue with us. One thing or another has us eating take out left and right and while we do go with Subway often, we do splurge somewhere else sometimes. Which means we're slipping on eating meat more.

Not the best update but, at least I'm slowly getting better at tracking my food.

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6/19/12 4:48 P

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I second Ms. Swede's post about it being calories that are the enemy, not carbs. (Of course I realize that if you are on the Atikins diet, or something like that, you are avoiding carbs---but I personally view it as a fad diet...most "healthy" diets have carbs in them. It's the calories that are causing most of us to gain weight. We are getting too many of them!)

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6/19/12 3:29 P

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it isn't the carbs that are your enemy, it's the calories - you need a balance of healthy carbs, protein, and even fat.

try reducing your smoothie to a half banana - you will have all the banana smoothie goodness, at half the calories (never mind the carbs - it's white empty carbs you want to avoid, not fruity veggie whole grain carbs).

keep tracking - two days is a great start - it's an eye opener. there is an interesting thread about called "shocked by my food log" - i think we all feel that way at first!
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6/19/12 10:56 A

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CONGRATS to SMYLES00! Congrats for two days tracking and congrats for learning something! emoticon

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6/19/12 10:21 A

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I've tracked mostly for two days now, LOL not exactly a thing to celebrate I know. I've managed to remember to track breakfast, lunch and dinner I completely forgot yesterday. But, I had no clue that banana's had so many carbs! I have a frozen one in my smoothie every morning and that is the worst thing in it...blows my mind.

Shows you how little I actually know about food...


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6/18/12 12:21 P

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I second tracking on SP, eating fresh fruits and veggies (Carb are not evil, but bread is baby!), and that a vegetarian diet isn't by itself a weight loss diet.

You mentioned sandwiches? A PBJ or a BLT (soy bacon bits & almond mayo) on whole wheat both run you 400+ calories! And I would want say an apple and some carrots sticks w/ hummus to go with those. They don't feel like a full meal to me. Vegetable soups are a good go to. The water fills you up, and veggies are very low cal. Would you be interested in some Indian food? (e.g. curries: http://recipes.sparkpeople.com/recipe-deta
il.asp?recipe=35325)

Invest in a Polaris heart rate monitor. Wear it always! If you bring one bag at a time in from the car, that counts. Anything! Make it a game: Every time I pass the fireplace, I do five step-ups. Every time I go through the living room, I'll pick up all the toys. Lie on your back while you're reading and do any of these: http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/exerci
ses.asp?exercise=143, http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/exerci
ses.asp?exercise=144, http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/exerci
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Find some exercises you like here http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/exerci
se_demos.asp?exercise_type=lower and do them while watching TV. Never sit to watch TV. If you can't keep exercising, then the TV gets turned off, or you go do something else.

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6/17/12 11:32 A

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Nikki - I forgot to include this in my last post. Diet is only part of the equation. Exercise is really important, not just for losing weight but for being healthy in general. I don't like to exercise either. I know how important it is so I just do it. The funny thing is that I feel better once I'm exercising regularly. There are programs on television if you can't get away for an exercise class. If you live near a park, take the kids for an hour of play. You don't want to end up overweight and at risk for heart disease and diabetes. Don't use your kids as an excuse for not exercising; it's not fair to them or you.

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Nikki - If you're going vegetarian, I highly recommend these books written by registered dietitians to help you learn how to balance your diet:

"The New Becoming Vegetarian: The Essential Guide To A Healthy Vegetarian Diet" by Vesanto Melina and Brenda Davis

"Raising Vegetarian Children : A Guide to Good Health and Family Harmony" by Joanne Stepaniak and Vesanto Melina

If you want to follow a vegan diet, this book is excellent:
"Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet" by Vesanto Melina and Brenda Davis



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6/17/12 11:04 A

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SWEST24 Ė I love vegetables and go crazy over them like most do over chocolate. My mother will tell you I was the easiest child to feed on the planet. I love and will eat just about everything but my favorite is vegetables LOL. I would start with a few veggies that you do like at a time and slowly introduce new ones. Try many recipes! Sometimes things taste better with different seasonings or cooking techniques. For instance I love to burn my green beans, LOL. Sautee until mostly brown (the darker the better but not black and crispy) add a little salt or not once cooked, totally amazing and tastes nothing like steamed green beans.

GENTLEVIKING Ė Iíve never been an outdoorsy type, or athletic in anyway. Iím a bookworm ;), and so I either forget to work out or donít think about it because itís not as fun. I want something that I want to do and enjoy doing; I just havenít found it yet. I do love riding a bike but until we can get our 7 year old to graduate from going one block, thatís about my extent to working out.


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"We also are not active and do not exercise."

Nikki, that was my story, too, the first year I was vegan. I did what they said to do, but I only lost like 3 pounds in a year! I couldn't understand, because when I thought of vegetarians I would always remember this picture that circulated in the '70's of two hippys, a guy and girl, who were vegetarians and looked like they were from some starving 3rd world country! The message seemed to be "Avoid being vegetarian! You will lose weight like crazy and it's dangerous!!!" (I've always believed the meat industry was behind circulating that pic---they found the most unhealthy looking vegetarian couple they could locate, and made a pic!)

So I always assumed the weight would just "fall" off of me if I became veggie---but it didn't. But here's the GOOD news about that: it shows that a veggie diet can supply our needs just as good as a meat diet!!! That's good news!

But as others have said, you never can seem to escape the need to count calories and exercise, no matter what diet. The diet rules still apply.

Here's some more good news, though: once I started exercising regularly and counting calories, the weight started coming off of me faster than it ever had (it was like a veggie diet could not hold on to the fat as well as a meat diet, so it came off!) So my advice is add both calorie counting and exercise and you'll begin to see some changes!

I think you mentioned that you had OCD. Well, this should prove helpful with the calorie counting tools at Spark People. I don't use them myself (I prefer to use Richard Simmon's gadget called a "Food Mover"), but as a person with OCD you will have a ball listing all the foods you ate and logging them in and seeing the calorie count!

And dieting is just like anything, if we don't keep it up, we go backwards. I went backwards after stopping this winter and I'm trying to get back on the wagon again. Decipline is not my strong suit, but I know it's what it takes to get the weight off.

Hope this helps.



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It could be that you don't like veggies because you haven't had them prepared properly. Do you like salads? That's something you need to learn to love (without adding lots of dressing). Check out some of the sites that have been mentioned, and cook some meals using the recipes. As you adapt to a plant-strong diet, you'll start loving veggies. Ditch the dairy along with meat, poultry, fish, and eggs. It may seem hard in the beginning, but your body will soon tell you how much it loves a diet of fresh veggies, whole grains, and fruit.

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So the big question......how did your over come the fact that you hated veggies? That's my biggest problem......throw some help my way.....thanks!



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6/16/12 9:28 P

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the best thing you can do is to go to the food tracking tool. you can also enter your recipes and get calorie counts that way. when you see what each of those things you mentioned (the pop, sugar, creamer, etc) do to your total calories, you'll see why you are not losing weight!

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6/16/12 9:02 P

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Thank you all for replying you have no idea how excited I am to get support FINALLY!

You know when I actually looked at what vegetarianism meant I thought that I found the easiest option for us. We ate far more veggies and fruits anyway, less of a transition for us, plus it was more for health than just losing weight, making it less stressful. I'm learning it's still stressful, LOL because clearly I don't know what healthy is yet.

I will say we do drink about two 8 oz glasses of sweet tea every day, we've cut back on the sugar though (from 1 cup to 1/2 cup in 3qts). We do still drink pop/soda but once maybe twice if it's a bad week (at least for me, sometimes the hubs has it during lunch). We also drink coffee with creamer, I have 1 tbsp and he has about 1tsp every morning. We love desserts but we don't go crazy with them, maybe once a month we will but for the most part it's a piece of chocolate or a cookie. We really don't snack, we both forget to but we rarely are hungry between meals. We also are not active and do not exercise. We did buy bicycles recently and have tried riding at least three times a week, but 7 year old poops out at one time around the block (yet he can jump on a trampoline for an hour LOL), and that's the only time of day we are able to ride. We also have take out at least twice a week at home, and we don't always go for a veggie sandwich..are these things really keeping us in this situation? This is so much better than anyone in the family and our friends, so for me going off of what I know, this is pretty damn good. I'm sure it's bad, it has to be if we are still over weight, but compared to how we were raised this looks healthy. It confuses me that we can eat better than they do yet we are as big, ya know?

I haven't tracked on SP in a while, I did when I first joined. I notice that I had lots of days of not getting near enough of everything and other days I'm way over. I eventually stopped tracking because I couldn't keep up. I was told that my metabolism is on a roller coaster ride eating like that, and if I planned my daily meals better, I'd level it out. I tried that too but gave up because again I couldn't keep up and got really stressed out about it. We are going to try to track on SP again, and make sure we remind each other to do it. This is so easy to forget.

Thanks again for the suggestions and help, the website I have been to but haven't made anything from it yet and the book is on our to buy ASAP list, I just haven't done it yet.

Nikki



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6/16/12 6:54 P

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I can personally attest that the vegetarian diet is not a definite way to lose weight. Every single extra pound I have put on myself has been during my time as a vegetarian. (I've been vegetarian for 17 years and I am 50 pounds overweight.) One of my big mistakes has been that there is hardly ever any meat in desserts! Another one I made for many years is eating a lot of frozen dinners and meat substitutes, which are still full of chemicals. Recently, I have become aware of the sheer volume of cheese I eat. Cheese is not a protein. It is a fat. Restaurants are especially bad with this one. Even 5 star places will have one cheese smothered offering for vegetarians and maybe a salad. Ridiculous. No matter what diet you are on, the big thing is the calories. Just watch them like a hawk. I applaud your decision. You can lose weight and you will. And maybe get a new scale while you're at it...



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I really like eat to live by joel furhman


Make sure your eating lots of fruits and veggies

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Hi Nikki!

Be sure your diet contains lots of fresh veggies and salads. Often newcomers eat lots of beans and rice. While that is healthy, you still need fresh veggies and some fruit. Eliminate salt, fat, and sugar; and you'll see your weight loss take off. If you still consume dairy, consider eliminating it. Like Su said, tracking your food on the SparkPeople Nutrition Tracker is really eye opening. You can see exactly how much sodium, fat, carbohydrates, etc you consume each day. If your husband eats catered lunches, he could tell the person who orders that he needs a vegetarian meal with no cheese. Caterers can easily accomodate special requests - but you need to ask.

In addition to Dr Fuhrman's books (especially "Eat to Live"), look at The Engine 2 Diet. Dr Neal Barnard has some excellent books with recipes as does Dr John McDougall. Dr Esselstyn's book "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" has excellent recipes near the end of the book. Read my post on The Engine 2 Diet team for a more complete listing of vegan resources www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_mes
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have you tracked your calories here on SP? it's a real eye opener - the formula is still calories in (food), calories out (exercise). and if the veggies are drenched in butter or oil, there will be plenty of calories. i thought i had a healthy vegan diet, without processed foods, until i saw just how many calories i was consuming. the calculators really help you fine tune your diet.

you mention that you enjoy research; have you seen the information about eat to live and joel fuhrman? it gives a new view of a way to eat that is delicious, packs in taste and nutrients, but without the fat calories. i don't follow it exactly, but it is one approach worth researching.

good luck!

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I hear what you are saying and I understand in a way because you can be vegan and vegetarian and still gain weight and be unhealthy. It is not a cure all. There are a lot of other things to take into account like the types of foods being eaten, lifestyle, etc. I would recommend www.fatfreevegan.com. Definitely not consuming packaged processed foods, for example cereal, oatmeal, breads, pastas. If you eat them, limit your intake because they do not help in losing weight. When I first went vegetarian, I gained like 20 - 30 lbs and ballooned to my heaviest because I had given up a staple, which was meat, and was using pastas as my substitute to feeling satisfied. I did not know what to eat and I hated veggies.

There is a ton of variety in vegan cuisine. FatFreeVegan.com is a good start to get exposed to that. The secret is herbs and spices. There are a ton and they all have medicinal therapeutic properties so just play around in the kitchen and experiment. This is my fave on the site http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/2010/04/ridic
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Also the more raw foods you eat the more the fat melts away and stuff that was sitting in the colon undigested start to loosen up. Maybe fast or cleanse to get it moving along a little more quickly. I do not know where you live but I recommend following http://www.facebook.com/EarthsHealingCafe. They share great tips. Also, reading McDougal and Fuhrman. Eat foods that make you feel good. The more you settle into a new healthier diet, it will be easier to hear what your body is telling you. It knows what it wants and likes.

Good luck on your journey!

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Greetings, I'm Nikki, SAHM of two and my family and I have been on the road to becoming vegetarians for almost 2 months. Yay! Except that we have seen very few changes. We have a little bit more energy, we don't feel as sluggish and bloated, but that's it. I lost about 5 pounds in the first month but it's all back and I don't know why. My husband has the exact same issue. We're introducing more vegetarian and vegan recipes, and taking out more processed food, meat, cheese the farther we go, so we're obviously doing something wrong somewhere to have such results results.

We do have obstacles like no one in our family is remotely vegetarian and the cooking is full of fatty fried foods, tons of meat and buttery veggies. Also my husband has many lunch meetings (and catered company lunches) during the week. To our knowledge there are no vegetarian or vegan restaurants in our area, there's only a couple restaurants that are vegetarian friendly and their options aren't that healthy/tasty. We're basically left with Subway, which is great but after a while, you just wanna scream at the lack of variety or go gobble up a hamburger out of desperation, ya know?

Knowing what we eat now vs what we were eating, it makes zero sense how we are not losing weight. Our scale is possessed I swear, so I can't even guarantee that we lost anything in the first month. I can step on it 5 times and get 5 different readings! We decided to go vegetarian after watching Forks Over Knives on top of all the articles about the pink slime in meat and the real ingredients in processed foods; it has been more to be healthy than a way to lose weight. We'd heard all the talk of how much energy you'll have and how much better you feel, and while we do notice we feel better it's not so drastic that we want to tell the world. I no longer feel like I'm going to fall asleep at 7pm, but I don't have the energy to go for a walk, for instance.

We are convinced we want to be vegetarian (if not vegan someday), but we're totally confused that all the stuff we've read that is supposed to happen isn't. What are we doing wrong!?!

We really need help! I have OCD, I tend to research the crap out of things, but I'm clearly missing the right articles and books because I'm doing something wrong somewhere! Tips, advice, websites/blogs, books, anything to help us figure out what is going on will be greatly appreciated. We both have 40 pounds to lose, want to be active but do not have the energy for it, and we want to be healthy for our kids and raise them to be as healthy as they can be.

Thanks in advance!

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