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Diabetes is a very personal thing. What works for one person might not work for another. For instance, I can eat a small potato and it not affect me. My friend can eat the exact some thing and her sugars go way up. Self education and experimentation of the suggestions you read will help you develop a plan that will help you lower your sugars and keep healthy. Good luck!!!

The Lord doesn't expect us to work harder than we are able. He doesn't (nor should we) compare our efforts to those of others. Our Heavenly Father asks only that we do the best we can - that we work according to to our full capacity, however great or however small that may be.


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Truer than you know! emoticon

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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I.M.MAGIC,
what is the juggling act?

1. Carbs are bad for blood sugar
2. Protein is bad for osteoporosis and your kidneys
3. Dietary fat has too many calories and is bad for cholesterol levels

Conclusion ... you can't eat anything.

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P.S. Food intake accounts for only 20% of serum cholesterol, our bodies manufacture the rest according to DNA instructions... heredity is a big part of whether or not we have to deal with it. Carbs do, however, affect the triglyceride levels, a separate part of the lipid panel. Same general affect in the long run... makes for an interesting juggling act, doesn't it? LOL

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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Long as it works for you, that's great!


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JAMESBM,

Congrats on getting rid of the tumor successfully!

I'm glad, too, that you're finding a path that works for you. It really is about experimentation some times... emoticon

Testing really is key to knowing what goes on in your body when you eat... I have a minor stomach condition that is treated by eating six small meals a day... and I'm on an insulin sliding scale, so I test every time I eat! Yuck... LOL

I'm one of those on a controlled protein diet-- Even if I wanted to, I won't do the low carb thing because of existing kidney damage--but I do aim to keep the carbs around 150 a day so I can still meet my caloric needs. It does help a little...
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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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Dave,
I had loss of hearing in one ear. Doctors get suspicious when it is just one ear. Found a brain tumour, and had it taken out.

I had a tough time leading up to the surgery, partly stress. But looking back I had some memory problems, keeping more and more lists to keep on top of work. But all this was pre-low carb.

Afterwards the surgeon said that the type and location of the tumour would not impact memory. Yet the brain scan showed general scaring as well. I don't know if that is from ulcerative colitis side effects, or something else.

What I do know is, and you may take this as anecdotal evidence, is that that eating low carb can manage blood sugar. For me it is very real, that I was on ever increasing doses of metformin over 9 years, plus januvia, and insulin injections were close at hand. But for the last 19 months I've been eating low carb, no diabetes meds and my A1c tests and other tests with my glucose meter show my blood sugar under control. Still not quite normal, so I'm not cured, but it is definitely being managed.


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Reducing the fruit in my diet was the hardest thing for me, especially in the summer. I can leave breads, pastas and rice along easily.
I experimented this summer with eating more raw fruit, increasing my serving size to 3 from 1/day. Unfortunately in my case that did not work so well, my A1c went up from 5.7 to 6.1 so for me I need to stay under 50 grams of carbs/day.
I had half an apple today, other days I have 1/2-2/3 cup of berries instead. An occasional 2nd serving of lower carb fruit still works for me as long as it's not regular.
It is amazing though how many servings of green vegetables, herbs and mushrooms will fit into a low-carb diet, I eat 6-10 a day, probably more than when I still ate grains, LOL.
As far as dairy, I do enjoy full-fat raw milk yogurt. The bacteria have eaten all the lactose (milk sugar) so it's pretty low-carb.
Everyone has different tolerance levels and I am looking forward to measuring daily blood sugar as soon as I've gotten a meter to see which foods I react to the most.
Birgit

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Great, we can talk about what we take away from this later. I just finished the video myself and was pleasantly surprised that the gentlemen treated each other with respect in spite of big disagreements.
I found that the things they had in common were a great place to start:
- processed foods are worse than natural foods
- sugar, as one processed foods is not healthy

It seemed like both scientists had a number of issues they did not have a chance to cover.

Anyone who has a chance to watch this debate please feel free to join in. emoticon

Birgit

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Sorry, I don't remember - did you get a glucose meter? If so, check right before eating a food, and then 1 hour and 2 ours afterwards. At 2 hours, you "should" be back under 140.

Edit: I see you did get a meter - I suggest you tell your Dr. you want to test 3x per day. Most insurance will cover that. Any more frequest testing, it seems you have to be on Insulin. That meter is your best guide to what your glucose level is actually doing.

They tend to start pre-diabetics off with 1 reading a day, because there are studies that say just the single monitoring makes you so aware of your blood sugar that you make better choices. That's great, but I prefer a bit more info, personally.

You can test all these things on your OWN body, and find out how it responds, and tailor your own diet. You are in control, as long as you measure your glucose!

Record it all - every bite that goes into your mouth , and every reading of your meter, along with timestamps. I know it seems like a lot, at first, but you will soon know what you need to watch, and what is OK for you.

For example, I can eat Basmati (extra long grain) rice, and I can eat pumpernickel bread.
I can eat unprocessed corn and oats, and apples seem fine. Fish and salads also work well for me.

Just figure out what works for YOU. You will be different than me or anyone else on this thread, and you will need to embrace that! Best of luck and Happy Holidays.

Dave


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wow! so much info you guys, and thanks for every bit of it! i am finding that when i have my two vegetarian days a week, my bs is at its lowest so far. now i'm not saying i'm going to give up meat, see, cause i'm not crazy yet. but i will stick to my goal of two veggie days per week, maybe even increase it to three if the trend continues.
as for the carb thing, well that is just so hard, with an apple alone having 15 carbs, how on earth does one stay under 50 daily??? i can do with out the rice, pasta, bread, potatoes, and corn, thats easy, but still those carbs add up fast.
well, happy holidays to all of you, and thanks again for all the great advice and web sites! you guys are awesome!!!
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Birgit,

Sounds reasonable to me. I will watch the video ASAP.

thanks,
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Dave,
I am not advocating that people only hear one side of the story as you seem to think, in fact quite the opposite. The standard advice on the issue is to recommend a diet with moderate amounts of carbs to type 2 diabetics and pre-diabetics. I simply want to allow people to gain a balanced perspective that will allow them to understand how glucose metabolism and insulin work.
Here is a video that I also just linked on my blog that gives two perspectives by leading researchers, Dr. T. Colin Campbell and Eric C. Westman that are discussing their two different approaches to healthy eating. The 90 minutes are well worth the effort for anyone who wants to gain a balanced perspective.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJYlXmfb08M

P.S. You will be surprised that they agree on a number of issues, including eating lots of vegetables and no processed foods. emoticon

Birgit

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Birgit,

There is far too much scientific evidence to the contrary for you and your fellow Low Carb enthusiasts to be telling every newly diagnosed Type 2 diabetic that your way is the Holy Grail, as you all have tried to do in this thread.

The best scientists and peer organizations in the world disagree with you and the assertions you make below as well, as do their studies and evidence.

I will continue to share with newbies that there are other opinions on the roles and makeup of nutrition and exercise. There is no "one way" - at least not in what has been proposed yet.

I hope you continue to do well on the program.

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DTParker,
If you are sure 100-150 grams of carbs/day work for you than that's great.
I did want to add an explanation to this statement of yours:
"Cognitive impairment is an often cited symptom of a low carb diet, as well as kidney problems and mood swings. So I am not going to go there."

What you are describing as cognitive impairment and mood swings is what low-carb people call the low-carb or Atkins flu, very temporary (usually less than a week and very rarely more than 2 weeks) flu-like symptoms that can range from headache, memory problems to lack of energy, being tired, moody etc.
This is the result of the body switching to fat-burning (nutritional ketosis) mode from sugar-burning mode. There is no permanent damage from this at all and once the transition is done most people have more energy, more stable moods, better muscle function and better memory. There are endless stories about this on the low-carb forum.
As far as kidney function, low-carb diets are not hard on the kidneys because they are not high in protein. In fact only incorrectly done low-carb diets are any higher in protein than higher-carb diets. It is fat that is supposed to be increased to replace carbs, not protein.
Even high-protein diets are only a problem for people with existing kidney disease but will not cause kidney disease.
Given the high incidence of kidney disease in advanced and/or poorly controlled diabetes I believe the best chance to protect kidneys is lowering carbs.
Birgit

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Another article that might be of interest:

www.atkinsexposed.org/

An Excerpt:

The world's largest organization of food and nutrition professionals,[7] calls the Atkins Diet "a nightmare of a diet."[8] The official spokesperson of the American Dietetic Association elaborated: "The Atkins Diet and its ilk--any eating regimen that encourages gorging on bacon, cream and butter while shunning apples, all in the name of weight loss--are a dietitian's nightmare."[9] The ADA has been warning Americans about the potential hazards of the Atkins Diet for almost 30 years now.[10] Atkins dismissed such criticism as "dietician talk".[11] "My English sheepdog," Atkins once said, "will figure out nutrition before the dieticians do."[12]

The problem for Atkins (and his sheepdog), though, is that the National Academy of Sciences, the most prestigious scientific body in the United States, agrees with the AMA and the ADA in opposing the Atkins Diet.[13] So does the American Cancer Society;[14] and the American Heart Association;[15] and the Cleveland Clinic;[16] and Johns Hopkins;[17] and the American Kidney Fund;[18] and the American College of Sports Medicine;[19] and the National Institutes of Health.[20]

In fact there does not seem to be a single major governmental or nonprofit medical, nutrition, or science-based organization in the world that supports the Atkins Diet.[21] As a 2004 medical journal review concluded, the Atkins Diet "runs counter to all the current evidence-based dietary recommendations."[22]






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Thank you, Birgit for the info. I will read it, even though I will not practice it based on my own Doctor's medical advice. I will continue with lower carbs, just not below 100-150 per day.

Cognitive impairment is an often cited symptom of a low carb diet, as well as kidney problems and mood swings. So I am not going to go there,

As I've said repeatedly, I am glad it works for you, and others in the LC group. But it is not for everyone, and downright dangerous in some cases.

BTW - This AM before breakfast I measured 120. 2 hours later, after my 1 cup of McCann's Steel Cut Oats and a tablespoon of honey, plus a 200-cal sausage patty, I was 103. If I could average 103, that would translate roughly to an A1C of 5.25. Statistically normal according to the test manufacturer, and certainly a decent number. Now, to get there, minus the Metformin. Another 30 lbs, and continued exercise will help I am sure.


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DTParker,
I just took a look at the article you linked. While it is quite comprehensive, the author, who seems to be a journalist, not a medical professional or researcher, cites "The New Atkins For a New You" and says that only five short studies are mentioned in it about low-carb benefits. This book is now quite old and lots of recent research studies were not mentioned. Here is a link to a much updated list (that was just started) on the low-carb team yesterday and will be expanded upon over the coming weeks. There are lots of studies not only about low-carb and sugar levels but also about low-carb and weight loss, comparing low-carb and low-fat diets etc.

www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_messagebo
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Doing large studies that are well done is very expensive and neither the drug companies nor the food manufacturers have any interest in sponsoring any studies like this that would eliminate their profit. But there is now much more research being done on the benefits of various low-carb/paleo diets and you will see a lot published.
Some of the leading researchers in the field, Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek, have also written this book for the average consumer where all the scientific findings are explained well. It was published in 2011:
www.amazon.com/The-Art-Science-Carbohydrat
e-Living-ebook/dp/B005CVV2AE

As far as the Mayo clinic articles, they are not what every researcher who is affiliated with the Mayo clinic actually believes. These articles were written for the general public to represent the traditional practice and are quite a few years behind the actual nutritional science as they are not constantly updated, a starting point for research maybe but not the latest word on anything.
As far as cognitive impairment, in particular short-term memory, this has been known for a long time to be one of the symptoms of long-term elevated blood sugars. Alzheimers is now often referred to as type 3 diabetes for a reason.
Thankfully in many cases this cognitive impairment may be at least to some degree reversible if blood sugar levels are normalized. I have never been in the diabetic range, just pre-diabetic and almost out of that now, and I can definitely tell that my memory improves significantly the lower my A1c goes.
Birgit

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I suggest people read this research as well as the Low Carb research, and seek to get a more complete view:

health.usnews.com/best-diet/atkins-diet

One excerpt:
Can it prevent or control diabetes?
No good evidence suggests that Atkins accomplishes either.

Thank you for rehashing Atkins dogma. I'm glad it works for you.

Now how about some Mayo Clinic dogma: Low-Carb Diets Work, but Safety Still an Issue. Not Enough Research to Declare Low-Carb Safe in the Long Term.

If you look at the Spark recommendations, I'm supposed to eat around 250 Carbs/day.
I actually eat 100-150 per day. Lower.

There is no controlled science that says going lower that that is better for diabetes control. NONE.

There is a lot of controlled science that say 30-40 carbs per meal is good, and this is the Mediterranean or South Beach style approach. There is plenty of evidence that this diet helps in managing glucose.

I have no current cholesterol problems - my total is 123 and my TRI is 95.

My A1C is 5.8 as of 12/2 doing what I am doing for 3 months. Of course, this includes teh first month when I was trying to figure it all out. My average post-prandial glucose has dropped every month, and I am sure my next A1C in march will reflect that.

I just finished my unprocessed oatmeal for this morning. We'll see in 2 hours what my glucose measures. My own experiments say I will be back under 120. For whatever reason, that doesn't happen with bananas for me.

How do you know your cognitive impairment didn't come from too few carbs?


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Dave,
I don't understand your doctor. Why does he or she think that you must have a minimum of 100 to 150 grams of carbs a day? That would put me back on my diabetes meds for life.

My experience is that eating low carb does not cure type 2 diabetes, but it manages it, or can help manage it.

Your own experiments on yourself, like oatmeal spiking your blood sugar for hours and hours is a great experiment. I have the same problem with bananas as you do.

Oatmeal - 60% carbs
Bananas - 20% carbs

So why not face the truth that lowering your carb input would be better for your health.

There are no essential carbs, and cholesterol problems may well be related to carbs, not dietary fats. I try not to eat things higher than 5% carbs. So rice and potatoes are out, but mashed turnips are OK. With melted butter too.

Trust me, I was on metformin for 9 years, of ever increasing doses, and I think I've got cognitive impairment from that, not joking about that, I'm on disability now. So drugs aren't the panacea they are supposed to be either.

Do experiments on yourself and find out what is OK and what is bad for you, but I think you'll find that it is the high carb things that are bad for you.

James

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NO Artificial ANYTHING!

This is what I've discovered in my 4 months with a meter. Even carbs - Instant Oatmeal spikes my glucose for hours and hours, for example, while unprocessed Steel Cut Oats get me back in range well within the typical 2 hours - even sweetened with Local (Unprocessed !) Honey. The Honey really helps my allergies, as well.

I now get my food as close to the source as I can - regular visitor the the farmer's markets - around here they are in-season April - November. Winter time, most Trader Joe's have good, minimally processed greens, nuts and fruits.

I can't do bananas. Pity, because I do like them. Apples seem fine, as well as most berries.

Potatos are out. Rice (except for the Long-Grain Basmati) is out. Wheat (even 100% whole wheat) is pretty much out except a time or two a week. If I want bread, Pumpernickel seems to be the best for me.

But I stuff myself on endive, romaine, raddichio, (essentially Mesclun Mix) with tomato, and olive oil. Add 4 oz of white meat chicken, or low fat ham, and I'd call it lunch. emoticon

I firmly believe people need to use their meters to better understand how *they* process different foods, and then, making a good and bad list becomes easy.

Dave


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Artificial sweeteners are one of my pet peeves! ... to me, all of them are spelled P. A. I. N.

Some of you may have heard this before, but for me they are a major trigger for a fibromyalgia flare-up--and who needs THAT??

Dave, I have too much kidney damage to try a ketogenic diet, I can't filter the bi-products properly...*sigh*... life is a roller coaster ride, sometimes--this is just one of the things on the down side--there's an upside of good things too!

After the cancer, I have managed to raise my kidney function by 5%--not QUITE where it was, but getting there... AND, I have managed to reverse the eye damage (except for the cataracts--and I'm working on them! LOL)

Edited by: I.M.MAGIC at: 12/22/2013 (17:45)
"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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I suggest people read this research as well as the Low Carb research, and seek to get a more complete view:

health.usnews.com/best-diet/atkins-diet

One excerpt:
Can it prevent or control diabetes?
No good evidence suggests that Atkins accomplishes either.


For me, so far, so good; my diagnosis A1C was 7.5, and after 3 months of what I described (Lower carb, not low) it is 5.8. I feel pretty good about that, even on metformin.

It seems for me the key is Unprocessed, moreso than extremely low carb. Good thing, because as my Dr. has warned me, with some of my other medical issues, 50 carbs or less per day would be a threat.

Good luck with your program! Once again, it proves that people are different. :)

And another confusing point - the maker of the A1C test equipment has to certify their methodology periodically to the FDA, and they do this by testing some number of "normal" people who have never had diabetes, etc. Their "normal range" within 2 standard deviations, is 4.7 to 5.7.

Dave


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Kathy,
that's an amazing story you have to tell. I suspect it may not be that rare to be diagnosed only after blood sugar levels have been extremely high and for a long time.
I will never know if I was at diabetic level because my A1 c was last tested in 2006 at 5.3 and then not again until 2012 at 5.9 when I had already been on a low-carb, ketogenic diet for 6 months. Just increasing fruit over the summer brought it back up to 6.1 and now I'm inching down about 0.1 per month.
I remember that I had hypoglycemia for years, usually after eating sugar and carb-rich meals. I figured out on my own that I could prevent these episodes by eating sugar with protein but nobody made me aware of the fact that any of this was a serious sign of pre-diabetes. Now I am probably at a worse point than I would have been several years ago.
I guess the longer it takes to get diagnosed and the higher our blood sugars have risen the more likely that our pancreas does not function properly any more.
The good think is that I have not had a single hypoglycemic episode since being on a ketogenic diet with carbs under 50 grams/day.
I have heard from people who got themselves in trouble with sugar replacements. The brain was anticipating sugar because of the sweet taste, leading to insulin production and followed by hypoglycemia because there was no extra sugar in the blood stream.
Birgit

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Boy do I know it! LOL

A lot of the things that I do now would not have been possible without Dr. Bernstein's observations... we wouldn't even be self-testing without him!

I don't think the fact that I'm taking insulin really has much to do with my particular problem, since I was having the crashes before I even knew I was diabetic--I just didn't know what they were.

Undiagnosed Hypoglycemia SUCKS!...

My best guess is that I was probably diabetic about 15 years before I was diagnosed... I had all the symptoms but even though I had family members who were diabetic, strangely enough it just never clicked that it could be me too... until afterward when the damage was already done.

My first lab work, my fasting blood sugar was 700. Diet alone was not an option at that point, but I was only on oral meds for about 90 days. then for three years I didn't use any--and did really well. I was a food NAZI! lol...

...until one day, even though I was still doing what I was supposed to be doing, I was suddenly headed right back where I started, and my A1C was up to 14 again... and my doctor said "you can do everything right and things can still go wrong. It's not your fault."

So I ended up where I am now. Not sure why, but there it is.

We're all unique and have to deal with whatever comes at us... it's nice we can help each other out a bit along the way--wish I'd had this forum when I was first diagnosed, maybe things would have been different--and maybe not. But I would not have been so alone...!

Things like diet and exercise work, to a greater or lesser extent, for all of us-- and some of us have deal with what ever is available at the time! LOL

For some reason, your link just came up as a simple cut and paste type of address, so I've reset it as a link...
www.amazon.com/Dr-Bernsteins-Diabetes-Solu
tion-Achieving/dp/0316182699/ref=pd_si
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Kathy,
there is a huge difference between normal levels for people who have regular insulin production and have never been on insulin or drugs (like metformin) for diabetes or pre-diabetes. The reason your levels have to be higher is because you are taking insulin or drugs which can lead to dangerously low hypoglycemia. The risk of this is even higher than that of having too high levels.
My doctor advised me that a truly normal A1c level for someone who is otherwise healthy and not taking drugs is usually between 4.4 and 5.2 and that aiming for 5 with diet is a great goal. If I were taking any meds at all the goal would be different.
There is, however, another approach that has the goal of allowing people with type 2 diabetes to achieve the same low blood sugar levels as non-diabetics. It is covered in Dr. Richard Bernstein's book.
Here is a link for those who want to take a look at his book:


www.amazon.com/Dr-Bernsteins-Diabetes-Solu
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Odd. According to the Mayo Clinic, "For someone who doesn't have diabetes, a normal A1C level can range from 4.5 to 6 percent." So you're already there!

In my 20+ years of experience with diabetes, 5.8 is already in the normal range, not doing bad at all... Here's a link if you want to see what I'm saying for yourself...www.mayoclinic.com/health/a1c-test/MY00142
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In fact, when you get to the lower end of "normal" readings, it gets tricky for some of us! LOL They tell me I am a "brittle" diabetic: I still produce some of my own insulin, but sporadically. My treatment medications/insulins work well, but my body just kicks in extra for no apparent reason, whenever it wants-- and throws everything off.

Especially when I'm relaxed...

My endo would be frantic if my A1C was 5.8--She doesn't want it lower than 6.5 or so, since I have a tendency to bottom out suddenly, and my life would be in constant peril from hypoglycemic episodes! As it is, I wake in the middle of the night at times with readings below 60... NOT something you want to have happen, believe me. It's VERY disorienting, not to mention uncomfortable...and it's actually more dangerous in a way than the slightly higher numbers, it kills much more quickly, instead of over time.

I'm glad for you that you have control to the extent you do. I would just caution you to take smaller steps at this critical point until you reach where you and your doctors want you to be... we don't want to lose you!
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Dave, I hope it works for you. In my case my sugar levels did not go down enough even on 60-80 grams of carbs/day, just got my A1c back yesterday and it was still at 5.8 so I will lower carbs to no more than 30-40 grams/day now and that should get me in the normal range within a couple of months, hopefully around 5.
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It's not really necessary to go to 50 grams or lower of carbs per day. 100-150 is fine according to my Dr. who insists I not go lower than that, given my HPB, CAD and cholesterol , Mediterranean and South Beach diets are both good for ramping down the carbs and ramping up the protein and good fats, he says, and that is what we do.

I limit wheat. I find that minimally processed corn and oats do not affect my blood sugar much whereas processed grains send it through the roof.

Point is, as with just about everything in life, there is more than one way to correctly skin a cat!
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You have had a tremendous amount of advice so I will only say emoticon and that you have come to a great team of caring, knowledgeable people. As 1crazydog said, staying connected here is a very important key to success.

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emoticon to the team. We are all here to help. Read and educate yourself. Find test and find what foods raise your blood sugars etc. Try and stay away from processed foods, any thing white. Clean eating is the best. Exercise and drink plenty of water. our bodies are different and what might work for me will not for you. Keep a food diary it really helps. Use the trackers. We are all here to help. Love and light Carol


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Many people have asked about why spark does not let you track sugar.
I also want to encourage you to take a good look at this blog before digging into the whole wheat pasta.
www.wheatbellyblog.com/
Or take a look at this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw
I believe that wheat is the only food that is even more toxic to our bodies than sugar and will never ever eat it again.
Also, take a look at the glycemic index of whole wheat compared to white bread. There is no difference at all.
Instead get your fiber from vegetables. Grains are so high in carbs they should not be part of your diet if you are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
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thanks so much folks! some really good advice here. i love the three legged stool. made me giggle! LOL still does, see. i did meet with a nutritionist, but she did not give me either a food exchange or plan, but i have her number, and i shall ask her for those. i am making the switch to whole wheat products, i bought a box of pasta yesterday, never had it before.
i do have to wonder though, spark has such a great food tracker, how come it doesnt track sugars?


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A lot of very good articles that are very easy to read. I use the diabetic tracker. If you are testing you might check it out. If you want any articles about diabetic issues just go to the Spark search first read them. You will even get Spark points for them but they are excellent articles. I am off medications I control my blood sugar with diet and exercise. Pat in Maine. emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Welcome. I would ask for the food exchange guide that I received from my diabetes educator. It has all of the food groups and exchanges and is pretty simple to follow if you stick to basic foods. I was also given a food plan by my nutritionist telling me how many grams of carbs, protein, fat, dairy, etc. that I could have for the day along with the amount of calories. That is what really helped me get started. Good luck.


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Welcome to the team. It is quite possibly to get rid of pre-diabetes just with diet (limiting carbs to less than 50 grams/day) and it can happen pretty quickly, depending a little bit on the person.
I recommend eliminating all sugars, grains and legumes which will automatically reduce your carb a lot. For dairy use full-fat rather than low-fat or fat-free.
I have reduced my daily blood sugar levels to normal already and my A1c levels are almost back to normal.
I agree that pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes are carbohydrate intolerance problems.
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Welcome! Actually, you are in the perfect place if you are pre-diabetic. First, understand that diabetes is a carbohydrate intolerance problem. So, that being said, you cannot do without carbs completely but you CAN be sure that you are taking just enough in to meet your needs, AND make sure it's NOT simple carbs (think white flour, white rice, white bread, white potatoes, white sugar, processed foods). You WANT complex carbs (think veggies, fruits, whole foods) in moderation.

Be sure you get a source of good fat in your diet (think olive oil, avocados). Carbs need fats to be metabolized.

Diabetes treatment is like a 3-legged stool (meds, nutrition, exercise). If any one of these modalities is missing, it doesn't work!

Now, you've said you're pre-diabetic, so heed the warning. I would say a good place to start is consulting with a dietitian for diet advice tailored to your needs.

Stay connected here.


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hi everyone. i'm new to the group, and feel a little out of place, i am not diabetic yet, i was diagnosed pre-diabetic just last week. i check my blood sugar once a day, and dont take any meds yet. i hope to find a place in your group where i can get some answers, and help with diet tips. like carb limitations, i see people posting they have reached their limits, is there a special limit if you are diabetic? i saw a nutrionist, but walked away even more confused.
someone please help!!


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