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10/31/12 12:20 P

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Russell, you have a pretty good understanding of what I'm doing--that pleases me! LOL

I do work closely with a renal nutrition specialist, even though she thinks I'm a bit obsessive and too detailed with using SP... she can't argue with my lab reports, though... lol My original specialist was a lot more open-minded but she moved away.

My biggest problem, I think I mentioned, is just getting enough calories to keep my metabolism from going into starvation mode. It's impossible to lose weight properly, if you're not eating enough to feed your lean body mass and keep your basal metabolism going. My nutritionist would like it if I followed the higher parameters on the carbs, but I aim for 100-150. MOST of the time, that's enough to keep the calorie count where it needs to be without adding the stuff I shouldn't have...

You're right about the protein issues with my kidneys... I'm "allowed" 50-70 grams a day, and only 31 grams of that is supposed to be from animal sources-- for me, the SP tracker STARTS at 70...lol

You might not be aware, though, that minerals pose an issue for damaged kidneys, too, and those beans, nuts and seeds--not to mention, a whole lot of leafy green things--are high in potassium, magnesium, phosphorus... which I don't have to eliminate, but just like the protein, I DO have to limit... and I love that stuff! emoticon Oh, well... LOL

... I'm SO glad I have the SP nutrition tracker! LOL

And you're right about monitoring for nutrition. I do have nutritional deficiencies to deal with too. One is B12. Not only do I have an inherited trait that makes it difficult to absorb the vitamin properly, the main dietary source--in fact, pretty much the ONLY dietary source? Animal proteins. How about that...lol

And then there's vitamin D. Did you know that your kidneys are involved in processing that stuff? I didn't know, but I do now! LOL And I have to take supplements of D3, PLUS the end product, calcitriol.

Then, of course, I have to deal with my primary care and the eight other specialists that are part of my medical team... Between them, I get tested about every other month, for one thing or another... believe me, staying on top of it all is a full time job! LOL

NASFKAB is right that we all have our own needs... lots of smart people here! LOL

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10/26/12 3:08 P

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we have our own needs so it has to be for what we need

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10/25/12 3:05 P

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Kathy, I would think that you would have to watch for too much protein, since you have kidney issues. So unless you went with a higher fat diet, you would still get a major amount from carbs. You could change the types of carbs you eat though. You need to be more careful, as you know.

As for the other people here. I am what is known as a latent diabetic. No meds for 30 months, and my last A1C was 5.1. How did I do it? Very low carb. While this may not be where you should be as far as carbs, it does show you that lowering carbs, helps control blood sugars. I eat about 20 grams a day, but you might get similar results at 100-150 grams. We all vary.

I am assuming you are all on the reduced carb " diabetic " diet? I was on it for 7 years, and lost 11 lbs. It had too many carbs, and I would get ravenous at night, and I would cheat. So I was 350 in 2009, with blood sugars averaging 200. Worst of all, I would take a week to lose a lb, and one meal would add it back.

So I switched to Atkins in 2009, and lost 145 lbs in 3 years. I have to admit I took this last summer off, and gained back 42, but since re-starting low carb on Sept. 1st, I have lost 33 of those lbs.

I eat 64 % fat, 30% protein, and 6 % carbs, but that is what works for me. I would suggest that you set a starting level of carbs, like 150 grams a day, and cut 10 grams for 2 weeks. If you aren't losing weight, and lowering blood sugars, lower it another 10 every 2 weeks, until you get results.

A few things though. Make sure you have some carbs at every meal. Low blood sugars are a possibilty. Also, don't waste any carbs. As you lower the amount of carbs, you will want to maintain your nutrients. You can do this by getting more of your carbs from a variety of vegetables, beans, nuts, or seeds. Otherwise, you may need to take a multivitamin.

Just so you don't trade one health concern ( high blood sugars ), for another ( malnutrition ).. have your doctor run tests beforehand on vitamins/nutrients, and cholesterol panel, BP, kidney function, blood panel. Test again in 3-6 mos.

I test for these all regularly anyways because I have CHF. I take lasix, so I have to check my kidneys. My kidney function has improved. My cholesterol has dropped to 104, and my HDL has gone from 24 to 33, while my LDL dropped to 51. My triglycerides are below 100. My last BP check was 98/62. I am short on zero vitamins/nutrients due to diet, but do take a potassium pill to control that, since lasix depletes potassium. However nothing caused by my diet. I took both before low carb. I take less pills now.

Since we are all different though, you might want to know for yourself. How it affects me, won't help you. Some people have increases in total cholesterol, and large increases in HDL. Only your doctor could tell you if that was something to worry about, or if you were healthier, despite a bump in the total.

Yes, doctors, and nutritionists have to worry about insurance co.'s and lawsuits. You may not find a doctor who will condone lowering carbs, but usually they want to help, so if you insist that you will be eating this way, they will help you do it in a healthy way. They will hope that the tests show something they can point to,and say "I told you so". Most likely, they will see vast improvements in every category though, and be amazed. You will also be amazed, but even better.. healthier. The tests will relieve any doubts you have.

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 10/25/2012 (15:09)
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10/25/12 11:42 A

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I do think that we deserve the same kind of control over the parameters as non-diabetics--after all, the program is just "recommended", it is NOT prescribed, and you are right--WAY too many carbs for most diabetics. For most PEOPLE PERIOD, actually...

I do have kidney disease on top of the diabetes, so it changes the picture completely for me, and I NEED to customize everything, just to make it work. Sometimes carbs are the only choice left to me... emoticon

Meeting my caloric needs with the level of carbs to control diabetes? Probably NOT going to happen. But I do try to keep them at least in the lower range. It isn't easy... I can't tell you how many hours a week I spend working on a suitable menu, but I'll say this

If I were getting paid for this, I'd be rolling in do-re-mi! LOL

...so no matter whether SP's program allows my changes or not? It doesn't matter what the parameters are on the diabetic program (which I use)... I use the tools, they are terrific, but I set my own standards, and mark my graphs where my medical advisers tell me they should be. When those messages come up that tell me I'm over or under on some nutrient category, I check against my own parameters, as should everyone, and if it's where it should be, I ignore those messages. They are inaccurate, after all, even though they ARE annoying.

Flouting authority was never so easy--OR so helpful-- emoticon before! LOL
Kathy

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." thanks, Walter P. Chrysler. I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called


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10/22/12 9:11 P

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you have to test to see what suits you I find that Spark nutrition has funny things in the diabetes diet like white rice or low fat potato chips just do not know what they think

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10/22/12 1:52 A

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Absolutely. test, test, test!

I opened the SP diabetic plan when I first joined SP and wondered how any diabetic not on insulin could possibly manage with so many carbs. So I use my own plan and keep my carbs low. When I do eat something more carby like fruit, I'm very careful to eat it with protein and fats. Timing for me works very well, like having a meal of a chicken breast and nice pile of greens cooked with good fats. I know I can have half an apple or other fruit immediately after eating this and be fine. I know this because I've tested and tested again.

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10/21/12 5:50 P

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Ditto Valerie. With the exception of a grain for breakfast, I get all of my carbs from complex, low on the glycemic scale veggies. I'm healthier than I have ever been.

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10/21/12 12:03 P

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Diabetes is a carbohydrate intolerant disease.

That means, if you're wanting to keep your blood sugar in the normal range, you either cut your carb intake down to a level that your body can handle, or you use enough medication (and I don't know that oral meds will allow you to manage as well) or insulin to balance the carbs.

If you eat lots of carbs and inject lots of insulin, you will gain weight. Insulin is a fat-storing hormone. Most of us are not triathletes who will burn off massive amounts of carbs.

The only carbs I eat are those that occur in non-starchy veggies. No carb is worth the risk of high blood sugar or weight gain, to me.

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10/21/12 12:02 P

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Agree completely! The gold standard is testing, testing, testing to see how YOUR body is responding to what you eat! Then make adjustments accordingly.

I also heartily agree that many feel a carb is a carb is a carb, but IMHO, I just find most of the simple carbs are just plain unhealthy!



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Yes, the recommendations given by mainstream nutritionists are very carb laden. I remember when my dad was first diagnosed, his carbs were very limited and he did quite well on that regeme. But in those days, it was an exchange based diet and carbs was a distinct category. Yes, vegetables have carbs, but they were in a category by themselves, so you knew you could have 1/4 cup of mashed potatoes (or corn) but you also had to have x amount of broccoli or green beans or tomatoes, or whatever. To my mind, this gave the diabetic infinite more information in planning thier meals, instead of current 'blanket" method of just a whole lot of grams and leaving the person to muddle through on thier own.........

That old exchange plan made one aware of where thier grams were coming from.....

Many people say a carbohydrate is a carbohydrate is a carbohydrate, but in reality, a carbohydrate of white potatoes or slice of bread has far different in nutritional composition (vitamins, minerals, and so forth) than a carrot, or stick of celery, or whatever.......

Desprite increasing studies to the contrary, SP and most nutritionists everywhere follow those awful recommendations because they have to...... They will continue to do so until the recommendations are finally updated and more emphasis is finally placed on where the carbohydrates come from.... Until that time, many diabetics will continue to eat meals laden with "carbs"

Do your own research and follow the meal plan at the carb level that works best for you...... The only way to do that is test, Test, TEST.......

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10/21/12 10:41 A

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All I can tell you is that I do not eat simple carbs (the "whites" -- white flour, white rice, white starchy potatoes, processed foods). When I DO have a complex carb (beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, brown rice) I pair it up with a protein. And you need to be sure to also include healthy fats (olive oil, avacado) in your diet to facilitate carb metabolism.

But I certainly do not come close to the 50% carb intake! My blood sugar would be way out of control.

I do not use the SP nutrition for that reason. But that's alright. It is a fair thing to say that, in life, you have to realize not everything is "one size fits all" so you have to figure out what works for you.

If you haven't done so yet, so see a registered dietitian/diabetic educator. S/he can help you tailor your diet for YOUR needs.



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10/21/12 10:20 A

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SP is (blindly) following the awful ADA advice on carbs. The only diabetics who should even consider such advice are those totally dependant on insulin and have no desire to actually manage their blood sugars. For people in that category, the advice works better than completely ignoring your diet.

Unfortunately, SP (despite repeated requests) will not give diabetics more control over the SP tools so that they can use them to follow a healthier (and doctor recommended) diet. From what I have heard back, the short answer is this is the best way to cover their back sides.

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After viewing information that sp has created a new menu for diabetes members ,and 50% of calories will come from carbohydrates ,and carbohydrates runs sugar up etc Would it not be better for diabetics to eat less carbohydrates?

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