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yes, there are a lot of blood tests for the minerals--I get tested about every 3 to 6 months... yuck, right? LOL But it helps to know, especially if you need to make adjustments--and the average mineral content of a lot of foods is readily available information as well, so I love that I can use SP to keep track of it.

If you're really interested in learning a bit more, you can check out the ESRD team here on SP, there's a mini-library with lists of high-potassium foods... here's a link to the basic diet restrictions... www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_mes
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Helpful to have too if you need to avoid sodium due to high BP--or if you need MORE potassium... LOL

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I guess there are ways to test for minerals in your body through blood tests. It may be worth checking mineral profiles on a lot of vegetables and picking the ones that are lower. It's definitely a topic that would require expert advice. My guess is most physicians don't have enough knowledge on this topic, either.
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Brigit, that may be true... but how do you tell? Truth is, you can't... there is no label on fresh produce that gives you that kind of information.

...the truth of the matter is, we all have to learn as much as we can and make our own decisions based on what we learn, as well as on our own personal experience-- and in my case, because I do follow those restrictions, I have actually regained some of my kidney function, so I don't think I'll be changing that any time soon... lol

That's not to say that even if you were in the same position, it would work the same for you. Your DNA, your metabolism, your resources, your lifestyle...

... We're all unique.
Viva la difference! LOL

We do our best...
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eating less of the grains & more fruit & veggies keeps me healthier

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" I can't say it will work for all diabetics, but the odds are better than cutting your carbs in half."

That is so true. It sure can't hurt to try. Eliminating many high-carb foods does not necessarily mean eating very high amounts of minerals. In fact, many vegetables that used to be high in minerals aren't any more because many soils have been severely depleted of minerals.

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10/28/12 10:23 P

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Amazingly, with almost every person who is succeding with their diabetic treatment eating low carb, diabetes educators are still pushing 150-200 grams a day. I guess that lowers the blood sugars enough to keep you a living patient, but not get you off meds, or prevent tooth, kidney, eye, or limb problems.

My body needs eyes, kidneys, limbs, and teeth, more than it needs carbs for my brain to work...... sorry, my brain shut down! I eat 65% fat a day, and 5% carbs. I started eating this way 3.5 years ago, and after one year got off my 2000 mg of Metformin, and once daily Amaryl pills. No pills for 30 months, and my A1C is 5.1. I can't say it will work for all diabetics, but the odds are better than cutting your carbs in half.

Also, the types of carbs are important. At the diabetes training class I attended in 2002, we had a lunch of a 6 in. sub, chips, and a fruit juice..lol. When I got home my blood sugar was 380.

It is nice to read about others having success. I would be happy to see you all have success while enjoying 150 grams a day, but sometimes you have to go lower to get results. I stay around 20-25 a day, and 40-50 on Sunday, and that seems to work for my blood sugars, and helped me lose 135 lbs. I am hoping to continue having lower blood sugars (80-90 ), low BP, and no hunger, and finish losing 200 lbs. Jopefully my health keeps on improving along the way. My cholesterol is very low, despite eating 5 eggs every morning.

Clearly we should realize that maybe some of the ideas surrounding diabetes diet, are wrong.

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10/7/12 11:09 P

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Mary's got it right... it's not the diabetes, but the complications that it can cause long term that creates the kidney damage and that's where the inability to filter minerals properly enters the picture...

Thank you, Valerie! (((HUGS))) to you do... I consider myself very fortunate, actually. Because of Sparkpeople and the terrific teams here, I learned enough to pull myself out of stage 4 kidney disease--twice! I had a bout with cancer two years ago, and the scans the doctors insisted on, added to the stress of some pretty major surgery, caused me to land back in stage 4 again--but I'm now on the border of stage 3 once more...

I really wish I could reach more people and tell them about Sparkpeople... I can only imagine what they go through without the coaching and the loving support I've found here!...



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ike kathy i have chronic kidney disease and that severely limits protein,potassium, phosphorous and sodium and leaves plenty to be desired..on top of that kathy has fibromyalgia to complicate things also and i have autonomic neuropathy as well as peripheral..diabetes is a really 'fun' disease and you just never know no matter how hard you try there is always something right around the corner waiting no matter what you do it is a very individual disease at times and changing every single day for sure but stick around..the information here can be endless with the experiences each of us have for sure
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Kathy,
now you've gotten me curious. Are you saying that people who have diabetes have a reduced tolerance for minerals? I would like to learn more about that. Are there any threads on here where that is already discussed?
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{ { { and HUGS to you, Kathy! } } }

People think I follow a 'strict' plan but when I look at what you're up against, I realize how easy I've got it!

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I do like the concept of a lower carb diet. What Valerie proposes is that the few carbs in the diet that are necessary can come primarily from non-starchy vegetables, and it's a very valid truth that there are more nutrients per ounce in that kind of eating than you'll find in just about any other kind of diet.

The tricky part comes in when you already have the complications from diabetes... a person's tolerance level for other things--like minerals-- found in the vegetables and fruits then becomes an issue. It can get to a point where you're choosing between eating what once-upon-a-time would have helped you but now causes additional damage, and something that caused the problem in the first place but it's the only way to get the calories you need to survive. And it becomes quite the juggling act, right, Mary? LOL

We're the front line, here, and hopefully the medical profession will catch up with us eventually! LOL

Welcome aboard, HOUNDLOVER1!

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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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Valerie,
I agree that not necessarily everyone needs to eat everything organic and grass-fed. Reducing carbs and some moderate exercise is certainly the highest priority.
It looks like you are doing extremely well managing type 1 diabetes. emoticon
Organic and grass-fed only is very hard for most people to afford. By avoiding grains, especially wheat and corn, sugars and concentrated starches (potato, tapioca, rice etc.) and soy we are avoiding the most dangerous things in our food. This is what most processed crap foods are made from.
It helps to be able to grow some vegetables or have fruit trees and/or berry bushes in the yard. We also keep organically managed, pastured ducks in the yard for their eggs.
Even within the type2 diabetic and pre-diabetic range there are huge differences in how many carbs someone can handle while having normal blood sugar and insulin levels. Some people also have to be careful with larger amounts of protein because these can increase insulin levels as well if the body does not need them to build muscle. Unfortunately I can't even get away with much dairy, nuts or fruit but for others this may not be as big a deal.
I see the fear of high levels of fat, especially saturated fat, as the biggest reason people eat too many carbs, because low-fat almost automatically means high carb. This fear is completely unnecessary as more recent research is showing and I sure wish the American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association and our Government would pay attention and change their recommendations. The fact that they have not makes me suspect that there are financial interests at stake (the grain industry, chemical industry/drug companies, hospitals, even the fitness industry makes money when people stay fat and/or diabetic).
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Thanks everyone for their comments and for the welcome! emoticon

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listen to valerie for sure..she is highly successful and full of great ideas for low carb for sure and she is always with you!!
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TODAY IS LIFE THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL

there is no cause when there is no effect km

i can do that, but not on a tuesday
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off the starboard bow
over the hurdles,
and down the shute.

last is just the slowest winner. c.hunter boyd

people often say that motivation doesn't last. well neither does bathing - that's why we recommend it daily. zig ziglar

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Life is good. Diabetes does not change that. It takes some work but it is controllable. There is nothing to fear. Education and knowing yourself and how your body reacts to certain foods and meds is important. Knowledge is your key to success along with your desire to control it. Whether you choose a low carb diet or a diet with carbs in moderation, your blood sugars can be controlled. That is up to you. However you decide know that we understand and we are here to help in any way we can.

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Nearly every post I make preaches that Diabetes is a Carbohydrate Intolerance Disease, and that there's no need for us to be eating carbs, but try to take away someone's pasta and you're in for some serious whining.

"Your brain needs carbohydrates to function" they say. Well, for years I've lived on 30 grams a day and continued to run two businesses, raise my children, run my household, etc. In other words, my brain seems to be working.

"If you eat fat, you'll get fat!" they say. Yeah, well how's all that pasta workin' for you?

I do disagree with the term "cured" for type 2 diabetics, and agree more with considering proper management putting it into remission. For me, as a type 1, I've seen my insulin use go from 65 units a day average (back when I ate carbs, prior to 1999) to less than 23 units now.

I also don't necessarily agree that everything needs to be organic and grass fed, etc. While it would be nice if everyone could eat that way, they can't. Even non-organic, inexpensive (think eggs, chicken parts, burger, etc.) generic grocery store food can easily stay within a good low carb regimen.

My husband (a type 2 who choses to be on insulin) lives a very low carb lifestyle too. Last weekend we were out and he hadn't planned his food. He decided to "splurge" on a donut. He was amazed at how crappy he felt all day, just from the excess amount of carbs. Good lesson for him, as he's only been following this lifestyle for a couple years now.

I don't know what it'll take for the majority of dietitians to get on board with fewer carbs. If I hear one more person tell me that steel cut oats are a magical potion we should all be eating, I'll probably puke.

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TODAY IS LIFE THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL

there is no cause when there is no effect km

i can do that, but not on a tuesday
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off the starboard bow
over the hurdles,
and down the shute.

last is just the slowest winner. c.hunter boyd

people often say that motivation doesn't last. well neither does bathing - that's why we recommend it daily. zig ziglar

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HYEGEEK,
thanks for your thoughtful response. I know that the term "cure" is questioned by a lot of people. I did use it intentionally and this is my reasoning:
If a significant percentage of the population can not tolerate carb levels over a certain number, then to me this has to be considered a normal response. There is evidence that anywhere from 30-60% of the population (in the US at least) can not tolerate higher carb levels (let's say over 150 grams/day just to pick a figure). This would constitute either a large minority or even the majority of the population. I would argue that whether the cause is a genetic disposition or previous bad habits of overindulging refined sugar and refined carbs is not the primary issue. I would say it is "normal" to not be able to eat anything we can buy at the average grocery store because a lot of it is not "normal" food. It has been changed through genetic changes, selective breeding and processing to have increased levels of starches and sugars, and, in the cases of animals products, the fatty acid profile has been changed by feeding grains, that may be toxic to anyone in the long run.
Many people who do not gain weight or get diabetes on very high-carb diets will still have other health problems associated with them, incl. heart disease, autoimmune diseases, serious skin problems, cognitive and memory problems, high triglycerides, lack of energy...
To sum up, I think the disease in this case is in our society that encourages high-carb consumption which is not really healthy for anyone. In fact I bet we could turn the healthcare crisis in this country around if a large majority of people were to switch to a low-carb diet that is free or almost free of grains, legumes and sugars.
Going back to a higher carb diet is like an alcoholic going back to drinking or a smoker having just a few cigarettes. The addiction will gain ground again, and yes, I think that high levels of carbs are addictive for many people.

Birgit

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I agree with much that you said here, but you really can't "cure" type 2 with low carb. While my type 2 is completely controlled by a low carb diet (and no meds) and my A1c is normal and my pancreas still has enough spunk to handle the occasional higher carb item, I'm certainly not cured. If I ate the way I used to, I'd be right back where I was in pretty short order. If I were cured, I'd be able to eat anything and only have to worry about gaining weight, not about blood sugars.

That said, I am expecting that keeping up this way of eating will keep me looking normal and prevent the many terrible complications that are likely for type 2s.

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I never had any indication that I might have insulin resistance or diabetes. But my H A1c test was 5.9, putting me in the pre-diabetic range. And this was after I had been eating carbs in the 50-100 gram/day range and exercised less for a period of about 6-8 weeks because of minor surgery. Previous to that I had been eating a very low-carb diet (under 50 grams/day) since about February.
I've done lots of reading on insulin resistance, cholesterol, heart disease risk, blood pressure and also exercise as part of my education about what diets work best for weight loss.
I know if I get my carb range back under 50 grams/day that my H A1c will go back in the normal range.
I am also certain that most people can cure type 2 diabetes with a low-carb diet that includes a lot of fat (at least 70% of calories) from pasture-fed animals in the form of meat, eggs and some dairy and the rest from lower carb fruits and vegetables as well as some nuts and seeds. There is no reason at all why anyone needs grains or beans or sugars of any kind for health.
Such a diet is also anti-inflammatory and reduce the risk of heart disease. It will reduce small LDL cholesterol, the only kind that's dangerous. It will also reduce body fat, blood pressure, triglycerides, and of course insulin levels and sugar levels in the blood.
I was shocked when I read a little in this group and found that many people are still eating a diet high in carbs (over 50 grams/day). There may be the very occasional situation where this is medically advantageous but for the majority of people with diabetes, if they have type 2 it could be eliminated, if they have type 1 there need for insulin would go down.
And just to make it clear, low-carb means high-fat, because high-protein has risks and may not work.
I just wrote a blog about my experience of higher carb (around 100 grams/day) which is still lower than what spark recommends as a minimum.

Birgit
P.S. I think what I'm recommending is not at all popular with the grain industry in this country because if people stopped eating grains and also stopped feeding grains to food animals then what would happen to all the grain? You can barely sell it as pet food any more because the high-end pet foods are all going grain-free, LOL.


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