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I.M.MAGIC
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Hi, Mike!
There's a discussion going on elsewhere about what causes diabetes.... it doesn't detail anything about what to eat, but it is very relevant!... check it out:

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As for myself, I have kidney disease so I have no choice but to eat more carbs... I can't eat enough protein and fat to meet my caloric needs without causing more damage-- but I do try to stay away from too much in the line of refined carbs. I have a couple of slices of toast for breakfast, and pasta for dinner. The rest is mostly vegetables--though I have to be care about which ones, I don't handle minerals all that well. Besides, I need the extra fiber anyway!... LOL

Kathy

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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Congratulations on lowering your A1C!!! emoticon

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As a new member here I too am so happy to have found this team. I have been reading all your comments with regards to carbs. I have always found even before I was diabetic that if I eat too many carbs I can't lose even with exercise. So I am working at reducing my carbs and was advised by my doctor to increase my protein, so we'll see how that goes. I agree it is a work in progress and we are all different and what works for one person doesn't always work for someone else, so I guess we have to trial and error til we find the right formula for ourselves.

I have finally gotten my A1C from a 9.8 to a 7 and feel very good about that. Its been a long time in the making over the last 4 yrs. I have been diabetic but I feel so much better and have a lot more energy. I thank you all for sharing your stories and experiences and suggestions.

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As a new member here I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated all of your helpful information that you have shared. In my opinion, those in the trenches know how things work, not someone who "thinks" this the way something should be.

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emoticonLove you too, NASFKAB!

This team has a whole LOT of really wonderful people...

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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thanks to both Kathy & Valerie for taking the time to give their ideas



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I appreciate you too, Valerie--I think you're emoticon, you always take the time to respond to people's needs and share your own experiences...

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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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Like Kathy says, your doctor needs to know what your food plan looks like. Hopefully every diabetic has their labs done regularly to monitor their kidneys, blood sugar, etc. I go every three months. I have no complications so my endocrinologist and dietician have given me the green flag for my food intake.

Kathy, I don't know how you do it! Talk about a double whammy. You're truly an inspiration to not only have figured out what works for you, but also because of your great attitude!


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Valerie is right, diabetes really is a carb-intolerance disease...She does eat carbs, but take a look at the source--all veggies, with plenty of fiber...

... but...

... I agree too that we all react differently... we all have our own tolerance levels, for carbs or anything else. We each have to experiment to find what is going to be our own optimum nutrition experience... and the level of carbs we eat is a HUGE area to work on...

The only way now that I could eat the way Valerie does is if I went on dialysis... because I already have kidney disease, and I only have 31% kidney function so I can't handle that level of protein by-products. I do need a certain amount of protein, but it has to be carefully monitored. I also will always have to carefully monitor the veggies I eat, because there are many that contain high levels of minerals, like potassium and magnesium and phosphorus, that can create problems for my kidneys.

The only option PERSONALLY that I have left to meet my caloric needs is carbs. I still have to choose, but it's kind of a given at this stage. Sucks, but there it is...

Please be sure, whatever you decide about the carb issue, that your doctor has thoroughly screened you for the secondary issues that diabetes can cause. If you have something like kidney disease and don't know it (VERY easy to do, believe me!), you can unwittingly add to the problem...

And the whole idea here is to get healthy, right? LOL

Be well...
Kathyemoticon

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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When I was diagnosed 20 years ago, I was told that "diabetics get tons of yeast and/or urinary infections." In that time, I've had one yeast infection and that followed an episode of DKA (my pump had been disconnected for almost 4 hours before I caught it.)

It's my experience that infections thrive on high blood sugar. By keeping my numbers tight, I avoid infections. I've never even had a cut get infected.

I recently had a four-level laminoplasty to my cervical spine, as well as a disc removed through the front of my neck; five days in the hospital and one huge incision and one smaller one. No infection (and no antibiotics). I don't believe infections are a given with diabetes.

I eat about 3-4 ounces of protein for breakfast, 4-6 at lunch and dinner. I don't enter my statistics in the Spark calculator because I'm trying to put myself on a compter-time diet!

Valerie

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Beth, I go by the button at the bottom right of the Nutrition Tracker "See today's full report". I like my carbs at 10%, fat at 70 - 75%, and protein at 15 - 20%. 20% protein is normal for the Standard American Diet, (SAD). So, at 15% you'd be getting a little less. Would that work for you? Also, I can get UTI's too. I take a daily cranberry capsule and don't get them anymore.

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HI all.. just a questions about this. SP will not let you change your carbs here. I have a very serious problem that makes me prone to very serious and dangerous UTI's and kidney problems......
What are those of you that limit your carb and protein ... well how much of each are you eating daily?

As said before I have a problem with most carbs sending me over the top with my sugar level, and of course I know the dangers with my kidneys so I am curious as to how much protein you eat.


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Hi Mike. I drink a lot of water and take daily walks. I have to limit protein due to kidney problems. I stay within the carb range that the diabetes diet on here recommends, but I always consume less protein than what is suggested. It has helped me tremendously. When it comes to my carbs, I get them from healthy foods like vegetables and fruit and some whole grains. Test after your meals and you will find out what works best for you. We are all different.

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Carbs send my numbers through the roof. Yeah, I could just use more insulin, but that usually just makes me fatter (insulin is a fat storing hormone, afterall.....) and still does not give me very good control.....

In the past I have used the high protein/low carb approach and I did loose a lot of weight. But then I started having some problems and had to lower my protein. Now I have to walk a fine line. (I don't worry about trying to go low fat, though)

If you decide to try the high protein/low carb approach, tell your doctor so he had monitor your kidneys if he is not already doing it...

just my 2 cents....

P.S. Mike,
Yes I have heard it said many times that often when we think we are hungry, we are actually thirsty. It is recommended that we drink a glass of water and if the "hunger" goes away, it means we were just thirsty. An interesting concept....

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Ironically, Dr. McDougall says only drink water when you're thirsty, and dont overdo it.

this page lets you do everything except update your current weight. It makes no sense. I can never remember how to do it.


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everybody reacts differently so test & see what suits you. One thing I DO KNOW is to DRINK LOTS OF WATER



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The Bernstein plan is 30 net carbs a day (however, I don't subtract all the fiber like some people do; I only subtract half the fiber). That's 6 grams at breakfast, 12 at lunch and 12 at dinner, which covers my salad and/or veggies with lunch and dinner.

Strict, yes but worth it, in my opinion. There are many more pleasures to life than carbs!

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yes, yes and yes...

i dare suggest that ALL solutions/diets/programs will encourage the consumption of WATER...
it helps SO muchemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticon

and test, test, test because not one of us be we type 1 or 2 react the same for all kinds of foods...
but find what does work and stick with it...

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I think the very best thing we can do is try things and test to figure out what works for our individual needs. I will eventually probably read many of these books but for now what I am doing is working for me and it is based on Diabetes Education Classes and good advice from here at SP. So give it a try but check closely to make sure you are not causing more problems than it is worth. Always talk to your dr. Sometimes they know of these diets and sometimes they don't. Everyone is different and everyone has something different to say. Once you learn how things effect you then you will be able to go from there. Good luck and drink that water.


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I have been insulin dependent for 43 years and have 'tried 'em all! At this point I am trying Dr. Bernsteins book The Diabetes Solution.. It is for a high protein and few carbs...I am just getting started but it sounds like I just might feel better. AND have better control. The first chapter of the book is testimonials of type one AND type 2 diabetics. AND Dr. Bernstein is a 70-something diabetic since he was 12 years old. I figure he has been there done that...AND HE IS STILL here to talk about it! Gonna give it a good isten anyway.


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trying to reply but it won't let me... its says i can't add html to post in which i am not..

i keep editing this post....

great posts already ... good point on the books.... not every one of us can consume the reccommended amount of carbs and still lose weight.... my doctor recently told me to cut out all the whites... i have had no bread.. rice.. pasta.. potatoes in almost three weeks. and for that my insulin is in much lower doses and hopefully my next A1c will be much lower.. when i was first told to cut out my ''whites'' i came here for advice... i had several tell me to try the atkins program... it seems to be working for... and i am sure there are several out there that says it never worked for them.... after all my attempts in the past... this program is working for me....

its whatever diet/program you decide to use and it works for you...

good luck to anyone that purchases dr barnards book/books and has success with it..

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Valerie, is that 30 total carbs or 30 net carbs per day?


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When you say 30 grams a day, how many carbs a day is that? I do agree high carbs raise my blood sugar. I try for between 45-65 a meal and not more than 15 for snack. I also do at least 40 min of exercise a day and take cinnamon caps.


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I'm type 1 so I test about 10-15 times a day.

When I was diagnosed 20 years ago, the current wisdom was a higher carb, lower protein diet with limited fats. I ate lots of veggie stir-frys with rice or noodles. I gained about 30 pounds during the first month of diagnosis. Over the next 5-6 years, I continued to gain weight.

Then I met an endocrinologist who told me about the "new" DCCT results that showed better control with a lower carbohydrate, higher protein diet, so I switched and found better control. But the weight didn't change, although I stopped gaining.

In 1999 I found myself at my highest all time weight and still dealing with the roller coaster of trying to keep my blood sugar stable. I read Richard K. Bernstein M.D.'s book Diabetes Solution and everything clicked into place. He made me realize that the only foods I was calculating my insulin injections for were the carbs I was eating. Duh!

I changed to a 30 grams a day lifestyle, found that I was never hungry, my blood sugar immediately improved to the point where I was almost always at my target of 100, and, best of all, I effortlessly lost 38 pounds in three and a half months. I did all of this without exercising, as I was a single mom to two boys and was working a fulltime job and running my business out of my home. I'm sold on the fact that DIABETES IS A CARBOHYDRATE INTOLERANCE DISEASE, which means there's no place in my diet for carbs.

Contrary to what people like to claim, we don't need additional carbs to function. I get my carbs from the veggies I eat and no where else. I've never had an A1C over 5.8% after understanding the carb/insulin connection. I've never limited my fat intake, because in the absence of carbs, consuming fat will not make you fat, nor will it poorly impact your labs. I've had normal labs when I'm religiously following my low carb habits, despite using heavy whipping cream in my coffee, eating whole-fat ricotta cheese for dessert, etc.

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I know nothing of this person or their diet. However, I can personally tell you that carbs have and do send my sugar over the top... I nearly pass out if I eat to many at a time.... my step daddy was the same was as was my biological grandfather, my former father in law and my nephew.... so I would say high carbs are bad. Low fat is good to a point for me. My body does not eliminate well when I don't have enough fat. So that is just my 2 cents worth. In all my years of being a diabetic I have never been told to eliminate anything from my diet completely nor have I ever been told to over increase anything.


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If you write it they will buy! That is the story of diet books...there are a million stories in the hungry city!

Every book author "expert" tells you their idea of what they think you should do...or at least buy into long enough to pay them for writing it.

But the truth is, just as each of these diets are different...each body is different. What works for this group of people is just not going to work for everyone.

The only things that seem certain, are:
Everyone needs to eat food and drink water.
We know that most people need certain nutrients from food.
Food is fuel for the body.
Moderation and balance work for most healthy people.
You must move enough to burn the fuel/food that you take in.

So eat smart, in moderation, getting all the nutrients you need, to fuel your energy expenditure, drink enough water, and move some everyday.

You can jump on the diet of the day...just be sure it is nutritionally sound...and then see how YOUR BODY does. Trial and error. You can not stay very long on any diet that doesn't include all the food groups, or leaves out whole food groups, or is overly heavy on one, while being too low on others, without it having a detrimental, long term effect on your body.
As a diabetic, if you are testing your BG, and get regular blood test, then you have a way to see what is working, for YOU!
Try the fruit diet and FBG will rise. Go heavy on carbs, and if you're not exercising enough to burn off some carb fuel, then your BG numbers will soon start showing it.








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I too am very confused. I try to do my best but sometimes it just does not work. I guess we must remember that with diabetes, many other things than food influence our numbers. Stress and any sickness messes with the numbers. Pat in Maine,emoticonemoticon

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Drs McDougall, Ornish, and Barnard swear by a high-carb/extremely low fat diet to reverse and/or cure diabetes. Diane Kress RD/CDE swears this diet is what caused her Type 2 Diabetes. I would love to hear from fellow diabetics on both sides of the fence. I am SO confused.

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