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11/9/11 2:02 A

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Hi Phraser,

It's nice to know more about you. This really is a great team to belong to. We all do things our own way but share very similar goals. I'm glad you are a part of it.

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11/7/11 3:29 A

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Thanks for the welcome messages everyone, I'm pleased to be here.

I turned off the private messages function a few years ago because I was getting spam, but I'll see what happens if I turn it back on again!

Mail-ordering food products from overseas can be challenging, as we have very strict quarantine rules here, to protect our native plants and animals - but I will check out the suggested website to see if there are things there I can use.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions!

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11/6/11 8:43 P

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"The information on aiding the bees was most informative"

I agree with HPSoap on that, I had never heard that before! Good to know!

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HVSOAP's Photo HVSOAP Posts: 296
11/6/11 7:31 P

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Welcome to the group. To.me vegan is just a term and some people wear it like a badge of some kind of honor. Those tend to be those that if it wasn't veganism, it would be something else they would find something else to be proud of.

That's why I love this group. No judgments. Every little thing helps our only home - mother earth. you are doing what you can, and I totally respect that and that makes you cool in my book. Looking forward to further contributions. The information on aiding the bees was most informative.

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11/5/11 8:06 P

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Welcome to the team! I love hearing about places other that the US. I have a lot of products mailed to me via www.iherb.com I'm not sure if they ship to NZ but thought I would share it with you. I think you are probably better off without all the products that most people who eat vegan depend on. The fake meats aren't all that healthy anyway.

I'm much the same with it comes to clothing and household products. I try to do everything vegan but sometimes it's just not possible and sometimes the vegan products just suck. Anyway, welcome to the team. I look forward to learning more about you.

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11/5/11 5:44 P

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Hi again, Fraiser,

It's great hearing of your life in New Zealand. I've gotten to travel so very little in my life, that I love hearing of "other lands and other places". To me it's one of the joys the internet has to offer small town folks like me!

I can relate to some of what you're saying about products being unavailable. I live in the country and our local supermarkets do not carry many of the vegan items. (Most have never heard of them!) But if I drive an hours drive from here, there's a small city that has a store that carrys these things. For me an hours drive to the grocery store is just not convenient, so I'm trying to get in the habit of making some of the things I need (like veggie burgers and fake meats). I've not been "too" successful yet, but I'm working on it. Plus, I've found some items are not as necessary as I thought, too.

But you're right, the menu can seem monotonous when there doesn't seem to be a variety going on (or as in my case, where I'm single and just don't go to the trouble sometimes to create a varied diet like I should).

When I read you were now living in New Zealand, I wanted to write you privately about it, since one of my favorite movies has something to do with New Zealand...but there's no "send private message" link on your posts...which means you've either not turned on your Spark People email yet by mistake, or you are a private person (which I totally respect if that's the case). If you've simply not turned your email program on yet, I'd love to chat with you about that sometime if I could.

But anyway, it's great learning more about the life of someone living so far away from me and I know we all admire your convictions and desire to follow a vegan lifestyle!

(By the way, my user name used to be "Vegan Viking", but when I realized adopting the term "vegan" also was supposed to mean wearing non-animal clothing and a lot of other things, I quietly dropped the title vegan and called myself "Gentle Viking". I'm only vegan in food terms...and that's been hard enough for me to get that right! Ha! Maybe someday down the road I can work on the other.)





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11/5/11 5:09 P

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Hiya! It's nice to put a little history with a name ;) I'm personally not a fan of tofu or any of the fake cheese products, but I have tried them. Don't imagine I'd be saying the same if I had to pay those kind of prices!


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11/5/11 4:30 P

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11/5/11 3:02 P

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Seeing as I have actually started posting now, I thought I should probably introduce myself.

I'm a soon-to-be-30 year old guy, living in New Zealand (the windy little island country to the east of Australia in the south Pacific ocean, for those who haven't heard of it). I grew up in Australia, but have been living here for about 5 years now, with my partner and our cat. I've been on spark for about 6 years now, have lost and regained weight a few times, but I think I've got myself sorted out now, and I'm currently doing well with regards my goals.

I had always been eating a high proportion of vegetables and vegetarian meals for environmental and cost reasons, but when I discovered that dairy products were giving me health problems, I gradually stopped eating all animal products except honey (with some exceptions) for environmental reasons. Milk products were something I liked the taste of, but if I couldn't eat those for health reasons I didn't really have any reasons to continue eating animal products at all.

I do eat honey - we need bees to pollinate the food crops we depend on for life, and bees in this country are affected by a parasitic mite introduced by humans. If we don't protect them in managed hives, there are no bees and the food chain that supports us falls over. It would be nice if people saw protecting the bees and hence the food web as a good enough reason to farm them, but no-one does anything in this day and age unless there's a financial return, so I'm happy to eat honey to keep the beekeepers going to keep the bees going to keep the web of life going! Others are welcome to differ, but that's my personal practice. (honey's also religiously/culturally important for us, so it's a bonus to still be able to use it without feeling my ethics are violated).

I also eat animal products on the odd occasion when I can't control what I'm being served. The rules of hospitality are culturally important to me, and so if I go to an occasion where someone else is feeding me and I can't bring a dish or suggest a restaurant where I will be able to eat something, and I am served meat or dairy products (in such a fashion that I can't just 'eat around them'), I will eat them politely. This doesn't happen very often.

I still wear my existing leather and wool clothing, and as my motivations are primarily environmental and economic, this doesn't really worry me - I will wear them until they require replacement, and then source the most ecologically appropriate replacements. That may be more leather shoes or wool clothing, given that both can be produced in a relatively sustainable fashion here (the land sheep are grazed on can't be used for cropping anything, not even forests, as it's very steep) and plastics made from fossil oil are not sustainable.

Because of all of the above, I don't generally call myself a vegan, as that term here is generally associated with an animal use abolitionist philosophy, and that doesn't agree with my personal principles in some areas. I generally describe myself as a very strict vegetarian, if I must use a label.

My partner is an omnivore, so that also has its challenges. He's generally happy to eat vegan meals, generally he gets something non-vegan for lunch to take to work, and the meals we share at home are vegan.

The other challenge is that New Zealand, being a small and relatively remote country, doesn't have some of the products that people elsewhere take for granted. Very little soy is grown here - what is grown here is generally made into boutique organic tofu or tempeh (at $5 for 250g!), but most soymilk, tofu, etc has to be imported and so is expensive. Ditto rice milk. Almond milk is practically unheard of, unless you make your own. Vegan cheeze is available at $10/200g (generally Sheese, imported from England). For reference, $10 buys 4L soy milk, or 1kg flaxseeds, or about 4kg apples. Fake meat products are similarly rare and expensive. So, we eat a lot of beans, rice, tofu and vegetables. Sometimes it feels like variety is lacking, but really it isn't - it just means that special products are rare treats, as they should be. I do find it quite frustrating when I'm looking at vegan recipe books or blogs and there's something that sounds wonderful, but has 'vegan cream cheese' as an essential ingredient. :(

Anyway, that's me. Nice to find a reasonably active community to be a part of!

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