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4/28/09 3:01 P

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To put it in less offensive terms there are fiscal and social conservatives.

Fiscal conservatives are against spending money on social programs, against government regulation and against taxes.

Social conservatives wish to return to traditional values like being against abortion, against acceptance of gay/lesbian/bi/trans lifestyles. against multi-culturalism, and for Christainity to be a central element in American society.

The Republican party is a rather uneasy marriage between these two groups. Ronald Reagan and George W Bush both managed to get the enthusiastic support of both groups. Other Republicans Republican politicians have not been as successful. Social conservatives have been suspicious of the first Geroge Bush as well as John McCain and only gave them luke-warm support as the lesser evil.

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I agree with both of you.

I tend to group most conservatives in one of two ways because of the ones I've encountered and come to know well -

1. the rich, mildly-intelligent, greedy, devious, heartless, manipulative, self-centered, controlling, argumentative, pushy, pseudo-religious, often perverted type. (Rush)

2. the poor, stupid, paranoid, superstitious, narrow-minded, unyielding, prejudiced, confrontational, redneck, lemming type.

I realize I'm being unfair and there are some good conservatives but I don't know any well and don't want to. I'm happier when I don't have to be with them and suffer through their "conversion" efforts. I feel like I'm with David Koresh or Jim Jones. The conversation is always the same, "What church do you go to?"

I have my own beliefs and I don't intend to have someone elses shoved down my throat.

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4/27/09 6:24 P

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I am another one who has been a liberal my whole voting life--and my first presidential vote was for John Kennedy. I'm an even stronger liberal now than I was back then.

I'm on the Liberal, Atheist, Hippie team, too (actually, it's been a long time since I could refer to myself as a hippie) and there has been recent discussion about why the ranks of Atheist/none religious people has doubled in recent years. In my opinion, much of that can be attributed to the disdain for the Xtian right.

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4/27/09 5:43 P

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I never got the Christian = Conservative thing either.

My reading of the Bible pegs Jesus as a bleeding heart liberal rather than an arch conservative.

A question I ask my conservative friends is, "who would Jesus waterboard?"

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Very true. I completely agree. The bottom line should be about economics because it is the source of many of the problems in our society. But unlike the last election most of these people are usually not voting on economic issues but on emotional issues, like gun control, abortion, gay marriage, flag burning, and religious issues. Thus they are easily controlled by the right. All the right has to say is, "The Dems want to take your guns away!" Or, "We don't believe in killing innocent babies." If we weren't in a depression right now these issues would be on the front burner just like they always are. It's never about the rich getting richer because the rich are in power. And in general, the further to the right they are, the richer they are.

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4/27/09 4:44 P

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GREAT POST!!!

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4/27/09 4:20 P

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I think Winston Churchill famously said:

"If you are 20 years old and not a liberal you have no heart. If you are 30 years old and not a conservative you have no brain."

I guess I missed out on both ends since I was a conservative at 20 and a liberal at 30 ;)

I think that a lot of the liberal vs. conservative arguments no longer work. If you look at the economic expansion since the 1970's the only group that has benefitted from this is the very wealthiest. For everyone else our wages and standard of living has been stagnent or has even declined. When an economy only works for the few at the expense of the many it simply isn't working for most Americans.

Now we find ourselves in the situation where the wealthiest 1% of Americans own more than the bottom 95% how can further stratification of wealth be compatible with democracy? Can our form of government work if we return to a manorial system where nearly everyone
works like a surf for a small but very wealthy guilded class?

Most of the people who vote Republican have not benefited from Republican economic policy. It is more like bait and switch where the Republicans promise prosperity for all but provide it only to the wealthiest.

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4/24/09 5:49 P

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I found your viewpoint very interesting.

As children I don't think most of us saw our parents as much different from other parents until we encountered ones who were fundamentally different.

My parents were always Democrats but I didn't see them as especially political, though they must have been because they were sponsoring fundraisers for local democrats and I met and know a lot of well known politicians. I didn't actually realize at the time that people like Ken Gray and Paul Simon were different from conservatives until I actually met people who were staunch conservatives. Then the difference was blatantly apparent.

I never associated being a liberal or a conservative with morality as I've known people from both groups who are moral and immoral.

And I never associated political persuasion with religion because when I grew up anyone could be a Christian and ministers were not telling people how to vote.

But the last few years I been told by conservatives that Christians are conservatives and that they don't want to associate with liberals. I have come to feel the same way after having to suffer through years of people like Rush Limbaugh.



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-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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I never felt that way. As a kid I thought my parents were as liberal as I was (well, ok, not in the late 60s when we lived in Los Angeles and my dad was an AF pilot in Vietnam). I never felt I had to 'unlearn' any brainwashing. I witnessed how my parents/other adults behaved and either saw it as something to avoid in my own life or something to model in my own life. Although I couldn't prevent my grandfather from using the 'n' word, I swore it would never happen in my home. It hasn't either, although I've had to ask people to leave because of it.

I did feel quite 'out of place' at first when I went to Texas A&M for grad school (as those of you from these parts will appreciate) but I'm an anthropologist and spent all my time in the anthropology department. And I felt 'out of place' when I moved to Snyder, Texas from Los Angeles in 1970, but that was culture shock. I didn't stay there long enough to rile up the neighbors too much (but practically banning my then-brothers-in-law from my house did turn people's heads)--then I moved to South America and got divorced anyway.

When I was 16 my cousin (18) sat me down and give me a long lecture on how it was ok for me to be a liberal while I was young, but when I grew up I'd realize how the world worked and would become conservative like all the other adults.

Sure glad I never grew up!


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Maybe a better term would be "brainwashing". LOL. It's like a bad cult.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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4/24/09 12:02 P

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Funny thing is that when I lived in Liberal Michigan I wasn a conservative.

Now that I live in conservative Texas I'm a liberal.

I'm not just going against the grain. I come from a conservative family and it took me years to undo all the conditioning.

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I'm another Texas liberal and proud of it! My family has deep roots here (back pre-1836 on my mom's side) and I know that my grandfather was once a KKK member (we're talking back in the 1920's) so how come I turned out so differently?

Answer: I don't know but I sure wouldn't want to be any different! Couldn't be any different, in fact. Guess I'm too used to thinking for myself! emoticon

My liberal roots go back to the day I asked my mother who she thought was the best President why. She told me that the best President was Franklin Roosevelt because he was a Democrat and Democrats are for the people. Republicans are for big business. That's what she said, probably back in the late 1950's. The Democrats and Repubs both have undergone a lot of changes since then, but one thing is as true now as it was then--the Democrats are for the people and the Repubs for big business.


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When I started walking, ECO, I could only make it across the room. LOL. You can do it. Start small and do it in brief spurts until you build up your strength.

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2/15/09 1:42 P

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Ecofem, write as much or as little as you feel a need to. We're here to listen and share with each other.

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This is the first team I've joined. If there are only 564 liberals et al, then they'll be only, what, like ten in texas? That's a group I can handle. I live way out in the Hill Country on a ridge overlooking Inks lake. On the top of my 'bucket list' is hiking the 'Solatario in Terlingua, Texas. Right now I can hardly make the mailbox. Is there a limit on how much you write at one time?

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2/5/09 10:28 P

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My dh was stationed at Sheppard AFB and we just ended up staying in Texas after that. It amazes me the mentality of conservative Texans. Oh well, ignorance is bliss!

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Actually one of my close friends who is one of the most liberal democrats I know was originally from Lake Livingston, Texas.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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Hey, Stacie, we've actually had, at least, a couple of other folks who identified themselves as being from Texas--one woman said she lived right down the road from the Crawford
"ranch".
We're so happy to have you with us!

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Welcome, Stacie! As the mother of a disabled son, special ed teachers are particularly near and dear to my heart.

Wow, it must be difficult to be a liberal in Texas. Well, you've come to a place where your views are shared and very welcome. I hope we hear a lot from you.

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Welcome to Proud Blue Liberals, Stacie, and good luck here at SP!

How'dja get to be a liberal in TX? Part of my family came from TX in the depression, so they were lifelong Dems, except for Mom and Dad. I was considered THE conservative in my college class, but I can't imagine being that kind of conservative any more, much less the kind we seem to have these days.

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We are few and far between, but I am a proud Texas Liberal. Not everyone is Texas drools over Bush.

I am also a wife and mom of 3. I teacher special education at the junior high level and I am new to spark people. I want to live a more healthly lifestyle and I think sparkpeople is the place to do this.

Look foward to good political conversation. Stacie


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