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The primal diet is different that paleo - paleo emphasizes lean meats and no starchy veggies, Primal allows dairy, some starchy veggies like sweet potatoes, and allows legumes occasionally, plus it follows the 80%/20% rule. Primal encourages less use of artificial sweeteners as well. Both of the diets emphasis eating protein and lots of veggies while eliminating processed foods which include most grains.

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I stopped by Barnes & Noble today and looked at the Primal diet book as well as the Paleo diet book. Both are pretty much along the same line.

I also googled the Paleo diet online from the Dr. Oz show with both Nell Stephenson and Dr. Corbain.

Basically they stress eating 1/2 plate of meat, 1/4 plate of veggies, 1/8 plate of fruit, and 1/8 plate of healthy fats. And to eat this way for all meals I believe.

Nothing in the way of: grains, legumes, dairy, refined sugars, and not in a wrapper or package.

They say there is no calorie counting necessary.
Eat breakfast that is more like your dinner.
And you are allowed 3 cheat meals a week.

So... that being said, mostly meats which also include eggs for the protein aspect of it, lots of veggies, some fruits, and no dairy or grains.

But there is also a Dr. Gott's diet, he use to write for the newspapers, of "Dr. Gott's No Sugar, No Flour" diet. Many have sworn by that diet and have lost weight not to mention their numbers are good now.

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I'm with you on the limas. I can eat then but don't love them. I love butter beans though.

My dad does not like vinegar and just has oil on his salads.

I make an effort to like veggies now. I've come a really long way with it. Roasted is the best way to fix them to me too.

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Hmmm....I never thought about the food I didn't like as a child and that was lima beans! Ugh! I hated them!

Why? Because they were bitter tasting to me.

I can eat them but I certainly don't go out of my way to get and fix them, not even baby limas.

I still can't stand the bitterness. But I do eat a lot of other veggies.

Sometimes I will roast onions, eggplant, parsnips, and carrots in the oven in a 9x13 pan with olive oil and some Italian seasoning. The roasting of the veggies brings out the carmelization and they are so sweet.

I prefer eating any lettuce or spring greens mix other than iceberg lettuce. Iceberg lettuce has no nutritional value whatsoever if very little.

And I do not like vinegar in salad dressings so I just use a drizzle of EVO on my salads.

But you are so right Morticia, it is very important to eat veggies as you have noted because most of the nutrients come from the veggies and fruits and not the other foods as you have mentioned.

There are more B vitamins and proteins in plant foods than in the actual meat and other such foods as you have well mentioned.

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I think many of us can relate. We didn't start out as veggie lovers. Baby's don't have to be taught to love the taste of sugar. They instinctively like it but other tastes like bitter, acidic, etc. are learned. The vast majority of 3 year old children don't like turnips but as adults the same kids may love them. My son tried a lot of veggies and fruits as a baby and liked almost all of them but he later was extremely picky and would shun them. He liked bland veggies because they didn't stink, the texture was smooth, and, as my husband had figured out as a child, a child's taste buds are more acute so bland veggies taste better.. For a child bitter is really bitter. We didn't force him to eat them so eventually he asked to try them again. I was forced to eat whatever was on my plate as a child as my parents didn't want to spoil me. I would sit at the table and cry until I gagged whatever it was that I hated. My husband was in a similar spot except that his family was poor and he ate what was offered because he was hungry. The difference was I learned to hate a lot of veggies and he learned to love them. Today, my son and my husband are much less picky than I am. My son will try practically anything and my husband dislikes few things too. I have come a long way as well. The reason being that I listened to people like Kierae who told me that a lot depends on how vegetables are fixed. Plain boiled carrots to me are not that great but if they are seasoned right, I like them. I finally got the guts to try a lot of new fruits and veggies. I talked to people I knew and asked for their favorite way to eat some of them. When I tried the new veggies I found that I disliked only a couple and found later that I liked one of them if fixed in another way. I tend to think the other veggie, parnsips, would be that way as well. You might be the perfect candidate for Jessica Seinfeld's Deceptively Delicious cookbook. She cleverly hides veggies in recipes. It's a great way to get used to veggies a little at a time. As a nurse I can't stress enough how important it is to tackle this problem for many reasons. You are young and eventually you are going to get burned out on your limited menu. I did. At some point it will cause you to be in embarrassing social situations or left out all together. I know because my first husband only ate lettuce, pork and beans, corn, french fries, baked potatoes, and sauerkraut. Period. Yeh, I know the last one is crazy. LOL. The last reason is that not eating veggies will adversely affect your health because vegetables are the most important items on the food pyramid. No other foods supply the nutrition - not meat, not whole grains, not healthy fats, not seeds and nuts, not dairy, etc. If you get a chance to try some veggies that some one else has cooked try a little taste of it. Be honest with yourself. Could you add something to this and like it. Puree it if the texture is a problem or cook it well done or cook it where it's firm.

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6/14/13 1:18 P

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I agree with Kierae. Your taste buds will definitely change and you will be surprised at how much you will want to eat healthy.

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Sorry Tracy I didn't respond to this yesterday - was stuck in the mountains with only international phone data...lol.

On the veggie front - my 2 cents is yes you can do this diet. One - I know many folks who don't eat veggies but maybe a couple. But some of that is what from what we have learned and been exposed to as a child. We tend to not challenge our taste buds or seek out new adventures. Many people find that after being on this diet and having cut out so many of the processed foods/sugars, that they begin to notice changes in their taste buds. I know personally I went from only eating green beans, lettuce, tomatoes and raw carrots and raw celery (hated them cooked) to finding that roasting many veggies will bring out the natural sugars. Shopping at the veggie stands and finding a new one to try, bring home and find recipes for became fun.

It may be a challenge at first and feel daunting to get the 4 1/2 cups in and I would just focus on it being the goal and work towards it. But also - 4 1/2 cups racks up pretty quickly. Not sure if you use cooked onions or cooked mushrooms in anything but those two alone along with any type of salad can add up quickly. Also any veggie you can use as a dipper for snacks.

Print out the food lists and start exploring. SBD is a well rounded way of lifestyle eating.



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I am glad Tracey. Sorry about your mother.

I wanted to share that most people when they quit smoking, the 5-year mark is no guarantee that cancer will not rear its ugly head. I just know too many that didn't.

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Thank you for your insight.

I am sorry to hear of your husbands journey and passing. My mother smoked for 50 years (3 packs a day toward the end) and had to quit cold turkey because her surgery sight wasn't healing because of all the toxins in her skin. The surgeon told her the damage to her lungs had been done but she still quit. It is what eventually took her. Heart, bladder cancer and lung cancer. It was a tough process to watch in the end.

I like that. Eat living foods and you will be healthy. I will remember that.

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I actually just started to eat "real eggs".

But for the past six years I've eaten basically commercial liquid egg whites, and sometimes egg beaters and I make omelets out of them and put different things in them depending on what I have in the frig or what I am hankering for.

But, seeing how much cholesterol the real eggs have, more than likely I am going to go back to eating the egg whites or the egg beaters. And if I really want a deviled egg or two, maybe have those once a month if at all, and then I will purchase 6 eggs and boil my own.

The hard boiled eggs purchased at the store come 10 eggs in a bag. And since it's just me, I really don't want to waste food because food is expensive.

So it's really a toss up.

My folks use to fix the 4 of us girls, me being the oldest, scrambled eggs, with toast and jelly, and orange juice for many years when we were growing up. That was basically our staple for school mornings. Although we had cream chipped beef over toast at times that was one of my sister's favorites. And rarely on a school morning we would have bacon.

Most Saturdays were pancakes with syrup and or home made grape jelly and sometimes sausage patties.

But my dad had a huge garden with fresh veggies and fruits, and then we also had bee hives with fresh honey. So other than the meat he purchased, we basically had our own garden for our fresh produce.

About 6 years ago my hubby was diagnosed with chlorangiocarcinoma 2007 and just recently passed away about 3 months ago from it, we ate very healthy from 2006. (It was bile duct cancer, cancer in the duct leading from the liver through the head of the pancreas.)

And 7 years ago, he quit smoking after 10 years because he got a wake up call. Two of his close colleagues passed away rather suddenly. One from a massive heart attack and the other from pancreatic cancer. (Too much smoking and drinking. A real double whammy.)

That changed his life forever. He quit smoking and got serious about his health. His trigs were over 400. Unbeknownst to me, he was sucking up a lot of soda at work. He would buy a case of 24 cans, stick it in the trunk of his car and take it to work with him. Instead of drinking water he drank coke.

He cleaned up his diet, started biking and running for a year and even joined a local running community. He dropped weight and was doing great and looked good until he had what he thought was the stomach flu only it wasn't. It was the cancer.

So basically this is what we both ate after his two friends passed away at the behest of a nutritionist: no red meats, no salt, basically no sugars, (but me I have sweet teeth I must confess), no artificial sugars, and definitely no highly processed foods.

Most of our foods were whole grains, brown rice, couscous, black wild rice, bean soups, lean chicken, salmon, some shrimp, low fat ham for his sandwiches, low fat cheese as well as low sodium. And plenty of salad with EVO and balsamic vinegar. (I leave the vinegar off on mine.)

And he ate a lot of fruit. Berries, blueberries, strawberries, bananas, (he was a marathon runner, did 12 marathons 2 of which were Boston and he qualified for a third time), apples, pears, ect., ect. not to mention a lot of pasta and sweet potatoes.

We ate clean for the most part and egg whites and egg substitutes were a big part of his diet.

I am convinced that eating the way he did prolonged his life by 6 years because the cancer he had was bile duct cancer in the head of the pancreas. He was one hair away from pancreatic cancer and they treated it like pancreatic cancer. He had "The Whipple" done at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, Maryland. Very grueling operation. But since he had been running for a year and was in great shape, he survived the operation and lived all these years. He was a walking miracle because most of them die within 6 months.

It was because he ate so healthy and ran all the time that he managed to live as long as he did. He ran almost every day of his life except when training for a marathon when you don't run for like a day or two before the marathon. (Just the way runners train.)

He was very discipline and diligent about his diet and exercise. And of course, he was told never to have an alcoholic drink again because his liver was already compromised by the cancer. It wasn't there but the liver didn't need any more stress with the cancer. So he never touch another drop of liquor from that day until he died.

You see, everyone has cancer cells in their bodies. It's like weeds. You don't have to plant weeds to grow, they just come up.

Well, with cancer cells, if you feed your body "dead foods", foods that have no enzymes or life to them, sooner or later you will end up with a sickly, diseased and possibly dead body.

And artificial sweeteners, your body doesn't know how to digest it and none of them are good for the body and can really wreak havoc on the body to the point where it can interfere with losing weight and causing a host of other serious problems..

Splenda has the chemical structural makeup similar to DEET, which is a pesticide.
Splenda was developed in England as a pesticide but even the bugs won't eat it. And I found that out from my daughter's organic chemistry professor at Cal State at Channel Island.
Splenda almost killed me back in 2006 because I had such a bad reaction to it over a period of time. My body literally blistered from it trying to shed it out of my system. Try googling it.

No I won't touch any artificial sweetener.

So I try to eat very healthy by eating whole foods and staying away from most processed foods.

I know this was long. But I just want to share with you what I have learned over the years of eating healthy.

Eat living foods and you will be healthy. Eat dead foods and you won't live a healthy nor long life.

Edited by: BLAZINGSWORD at: 6/13/2013 (20:21)
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Can I ask, do you eat many eggs? Love them and know they are on the to eat list but also know they're high in cholesterol.

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Tracey, the SBD will take care of the cholesterol and all the other numbers.

I was recommended the SBD back in 2006 by my Certified Registered Nurse Practitioner, and it did change all my numbers for the better.

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Okie - the only beans I've found I can eat are green beans cooked just a bit, still crisp. I like them cooked in olive oil with water chestnuts and sesame seeds. A quick sautee.

BlazingSword - This is not for diabetes, it's because of my elevated LDL-P levels. My mom had horrible cholesterol so it looks like I am my mothers daughter. While mine is horrible, it needs to be addressed before it is. Thank you for sharing about your mom. I have found that many of my taking care of myself lessons are from things I watched my mom go through. Good advice, a step at a time.

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As with any diet, and any change in your diet, for some of us it comes little by little.

Just as with losing weight it wasn't put on overnight and so the saying goes it won't come off overnight.

My point is, that try incrementing a little change at a time. (Unless you have a serious medical condition where you must keep the carbs below 60 everyday.)

The changes that I made in my diet came over a number of years. Little by little. Seriously.
It is a lifestyle. Some things that I eat now, I never did before. And some things that I left out, like cooking or using salt, I don't miss anymore.

It does take some getting use to, no doubt about it. But in the long run, I am much better off for it.

If you are diabetic, you really need to do what you can pronto. My mother was diabetic and ended up with heart problems and needed to have heart surgery. But when the heart catherization was done to find out why type of damage was done, they almost lost her but did not.

In a way, maybe it would have been better if they did. The reason I say that is because the dye that they used for the procedure totally shut down her kidneys and she was on dialysis for about 6 months before she passed. It was horrible. She lost the will to live and so refused to do dialysis.

One reason is that unbeknownst to us, she had strokes in the blood vessels of her eyes and really couldn't see very well but she never told us how bad her eyesight was. Then my sister and I finally insisted and took her to an eye specialist who diagnosed her as such. That was like less than a week before she passed. So sad.

If you need to eat gluten free, you don't want to create more problems. Dr Oz just recently had Dr. Agatson on his show and they showed what happens to the intestines when a person has an allergy to gluten. It damages the intestines to the point where you are less able to absorb the nutrients that are so vital to live and for being healthy.

So there is now a South Beach Diet Gluten book by Dr. Agatson if you need one.

Although hubby and I ate fairly healthy with fruits and veggies for the most part, especially with salads, I needed to fine tune my lifestyle of eating. So I am eating more fruit to tame my sweet tooth. But just as well, I am also eating more veggies for salad, or lightly steamed.

For salad dressing I just use a 1/2 teaspoon of olive oil. I don't like vinegar. Don't need it for my stomach. Could never figure out why I wouldn't eat salads. Didn't like the vinegary taste of dressings and never thought to use just plain extra virgin olive oil, first cold pressed. Now I eat salads most of the time EVO.

The snacks of eating a protein like low fat string cheese and an apple, the protein slows down the spiking of the blood sugar and keeps it more stable, thus cutting cravings.

Also, if you eat healthy snacks in-between the meals you will find that you won't overeat or binge. It's important to eat throughout the day in order to lose weight.

I hope this helps you. SBD is a very good diet.


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Do u like beans, eggs, fish, soup and nuts? Try eating these things.

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Hello,
I've recently been told by my doctor to restrict my net carbs to less than 60 a day. I've never realized how quickly carbs add up! South Beach seems appealing to me as a lifestyle to look in to. Here is my problem. I dislike vegetables. It's not a picky eater thing. I physically react to the smells and textures of most vegetables. Trust me, I'd rather it were the other way. People that don't like veggies are often looked at oddly and we know it's unhealthy. I'm learning to like green beans certain ways, raw carrots and celery. So, this concerns me. How will I make this work?
Thanks for any input.

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