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I'm fairly weird where tomatoes are concerned. I don't like tomatoes but like some salsas, I don't like tomato juice or tomato soup but will eat them and tomato sauce or paste cooked in food, I like ketchup. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm the pickiest eater in this house but at least most of the foods I really hate are processed foods and not all that healthy. I dislike very few fruits and veggies.

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10/9/11 10:58 P

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heat it up and it's tomato soup! (how I learned to like it)

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I wish I liked the stuff but I'm fairly picky.

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10/9/11 9:14 P

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470mg! Thanks! I picked some up Friday but had not thought of it. emoticon (glass clink)

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10/9/11 8:30 P

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If I recall right V8 has quite a bit of potassium. Maybe that is why Dr. A. had it a lot in phase one breakfasts.

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Thanks, Tisha! Will check out the potassium rich foods (boo hoo no nanners) and make sure I get all 8 glasses of water! emoticon

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I've read different hypothesis for what causes the low carb flu from it being caused by mild dehydration as water is initially what you get rid of, to it being caused by a mild potassium depletion, to the cause being the change where easily digested sugar is not readily available, etc. but have found lots of people get relief from drinking extra water and eating some potassium rich foods. So maybe a little shift is occurring resulting in a mild electrolyte imbalance. At any rate both water and potassium rich foods are good for you and worth trying.

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Thanks, Kierae. The baked ham just looked much more appetizing than the boiled and the nutrition info was identical.

I am feeling a little better today so maybe the worst is passing. I'm a little afraid of milk and beans and may save them for P1.5. Something has been knocking me on my butt and we eat pretty healthily most of the time.

I decided to not buy the newer SB Supercharged because other than the food list there's not much difference in the philosophy from what I could tell. I though it was going to be $7.99 but that was the online price as it was $16.99. Uh, no. I can get it at the library.

I love my iPhone so I understand your "mini" laptop thoughts. emoticon

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10/9/11 9:49 A

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Baked ham is fine..just avoid the fat of course. Bookwise I always recommend looking for used copies of one of the SB cookbooks like the holiday one since that's usually a hurdle for most folks. Library is also a good resource. Once you have a basic grasp of whats "beachy" it really makes it easier to adjust your own recipes.

Normally folks feel cruddy around the day three and it begins to settle down. Gettting in the beans and dairy will give you a carb boost to help your energy level.

Ironically I am on my phone (my "mini" laptop) reading since I have been awake since 330..lol.

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Thanks Kirae, I couldn't imagine why they wouldn't be.

With apologies for repeating overlooked questions (you're probably on your phone), is baked ham okay instead of boiled if the values are the same: 0 carbs, etc?

Any other indispensable books I should look for while I'm out near the city?

And, shouldn't I start to perk up soon? I've been sugar free and low carb since Friday morning with no cravings for sugar or carbs but tired.

Thanks again!

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Yes raw nuts are fine (my preference too). You can also roast and season them yourself if you like (use a spritz/spray of olive oil and whatever seasoning). And no you arent a pest - its good to ask questions!

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I hate to be such a pest but...

Are raw nuts okay, specifically almonds? I saw that dry roasted are recommended but the only other almonds were tarted up with seasonings or honey or something. We keep raw walnuts on hand as well as almonds.

Full o'questions and determined to work through this Cindy emoticon

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I've been sugar free and low carb since Friday morning...should I start to perk up soon? I'm still feeling very tired but not the high/low that I was dealing with earlier, just consistently tired. No sugar or carb cravings, thankfully.

Is there any other indispensable book that I should look for while I'm in a shopping area today?

And is baked ham okay (instead of boiled) if the carbs are still 0?

Thanks for all your help!

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10/8/11 11:52 P

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Yup, the one I buy has 5 gm fiber per slice. I don't absolutely love it, but it is great with an egg for breakfast. I'm never 'starving' until about 2pm, but don't like to wait that long.

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Dr. A made it clear that he did not want South Beach to be labeled as high protein, low fat, or low carb but unfortunately people want to put it in a category somewhere so the low carb groups often claimed it. He describes it as nutrient-rich, high fiber carbs, lean sources of protein, good unsaturated fats, and low fat dairy. I tend to think of it like Kierae - that it is lower carb or good carbs. As he did not put numerical values on the nutrients it has the potential to fall in different groups on different days.

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10/8/11 5:55 P

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Yup it is fine - the ingredients and the fiber are the critical elements and this bread has HIGH fiber for bread. Talk about a hearty bread..lol.

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One of the breads that's working for me is Dave's Killer Bread. It's does have 4 gm sugar per slice, but 6 gm protein. Is this South Beach legal? It's sold at Costco.

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Yes the diet is focused on the lower glycemic veggies and such (fruits in phase 2) so during phase 1, you shouldn't have to be so focused on the actual carb load (unless a physician has directed you to stay within a certain amount of course). I think you will find that your carbs will vary within a range so some days you may be in the higher end and others in the lower. Just the matter of food choices for the day. emoticon

Congrats on the upcoming grandbaby! I can tell you that I absolutely ADORE Ms Aliegh who is will be 3 in March. Such fun!

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Soooo, as long as I'm eating permitted veggies, V8 and (home canned) tomato juice, I do not need to worry about their carb load? I'm (currently) a SAHW with a retired husband so I cook mostly from scratch, including vegetables and fruit that we have grown and canned, and mostly whole grains. Age (62) is making my insulin resistance worse, I suppose. I have two crock pots going this morning; one with kidney beans and one with black beans. emoticon My very first grandbaby is due one week from today and I am determined to be healthy for it. emoticon

Plan A is to pick up the new SB book tomorrow while I'm "in town."

Yes, one of my nurse friends was upset with me for looking into SB until I sent her your Phase 1 list which calmed her down and piqued her interest. emoticon

And emoticon for all these posts as well as all the wonderful threads! You have made this much easier than it would have been otherwise! emoticon

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Dont get totally carb focused! SB focuses on the quality of the carbs, ie ours comes from veggies,etc and versus empty starch type carbs. Thats why I always giggle when someone lumps SB into the "low carb" diets because technically we are more "lower" than anything.

Focus on reading the ingredients - looking for those hidden sugars, etc.

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Thank you; that is good to know! emoticon

I was horrified to see 10gm carb on a cup of V8 and that broccoli is also high carb. emoticon

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I don't get too worried about that in phase one as when you cut out the bad carbs the fats and protein naturally go up some. It kind of evens out as South Beach encourages healthy fats.

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Many thanks to you all for the warm welcome and very helpful advice! emoticon I had a pretty good first day, fine on carbs but over on fats. emoticon

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I almost never eat wheat any more. My husband loves it and makes whole grain bread about once a week. It makes me tired and so now I choose my moments. I have found that knowing I CAN have it (other than these 2 weeks in Phase 1 of SB) means I almost always choose to skip it, in favor of better energy!

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Welcome to the team.

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I hope you are one of the fortunate ones who can handle wheat because I love homemade Italian bread. But if it actually makes you feel tired after you eat it that is a clue that maybe it is dropping your blood sugar. Don't forget to eat protein with any carbs like the bread. That should help some.

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Good for you on baking your own bread! Those two weeks will pass by quickly and then you can reintroduce your bread if you like. emoticon

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Thanks! You folks are The Best! I had set my carbs at 40-100 so I was close and just changed it to 50-75, but I was clueless as to the protein and fat. I have my day pretty much planned out now. The hardest thing is that I bake our daily bread from fresh ground Prairie Gold hard wheat and our own honey... But I am so tired of feeling t i r e d that it will be a small sacrifice to feel better.

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Fats and proteins tend to fall within the spark recommendations. You may run on the higher end of the protein IF you are a protein person (some folks are). Carbs will always be lower than spark recommendations. In phase 1 they tend to run 50-75ish (even up to 125) and up to 150ish in phase 2. This is TOTALLY dependent on each person's tolerance. Some folks can't lose if they go beyond the 75-100 range. You can manually lower the spark ranges if ignoring them doesnt work for ya.

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I'm sorry can't help you on tracking. I don't use the tracker. I guess it depends on your personal needs and what the doctor told you. Maybe other's have idea.

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Since you are already insulin resistant you will probably be one of the members, like me, who needs to hover around a phase 1.5 permanently rather than a phase 2 when the time comes. Phase one gives people like you an excellent start at getting your sugars under control. Be sure and read the sticky topics in the forum as they will explain how to ease from phase 1 into a phase 1.5. You will have to take it slow and I recommend you start out adding in the newly allowed veggies - carrots and peas - and the really low glycemic fruits like berries. Wait a couple of days of eating the same new added food and see if you experience cravings or weight gains. Grains are often problematic for people with insulin dependence so I would probably save then until you have discovered if the new veggies and fruits are a trigger. For people like us it's a slower process but South Beach is the perfect diet to discover what you can handle.

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-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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Thank you both! Your help is greatly appreciated! emoticon

How should I set my tracker for carbs/fat/protein?? emoticon

I will look for the updated book; mine's the 2003 one which is way different from the posted list. It will help me to have a physical reference as well as the online stuff.

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emoticon to the team! I have to concur on tracking food. Use the nutritional tracker - use it for planning out your foods in phase 1 to make sure you are getting in all those veggies. Its good to see how your numbers are and makes it much easier to see any problem areas if you run into issues so we can help you tweak.

I believe the critical element is understanding this is a lifestyle. In order to make it a lifestyle, you have to figure out (ie pay attention) to what your body is telling you. It isn't cookie cutter (ie the book lays the groundwork) so what works for me may not work for you.

Use the support of the group - we have folks who have been quite successful in making this a permanent way of life.

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This is just MY perspective. I don't claim anything as fail-proof because of various factors (age, background, health, culture, ect...). I'm offering you things that I believed have really helped me.

1) I'd suggest reading at least 3 resources. I used the book and multiple websites. That way I got multiple perspectives on the approach. It really helped me because I'm picky about food (I'm mostly/flex vegetarian). One of these resources I believe is the backbone is a South Beach book. Reading one of Dr. Agatston's books in his own words gave me a foundation.

2) The first two weeks have been the most critical for my success. It changed my eating and made it a lifestyle - it's sort of who I am as a person.

3) When you get to phase 2. Hang in there. It can be a bumpy road, but be patient and persistent with yourself. I'm still trying to figure out how to eat when I go out of town (remember I'm flex-tarian and picky)!

4) What I also did was write down every thing I ate in Phase 1. Then for phase 2 I started writing down things that weren't phase 1. This allowed me to figure out what my triggers were and how much carbs I can take per day. I've learned that I only can take ONE carb a day to avoid triggers and weight gain. Now, I've just been writing down things that are not in accordance with South Beach eating. I believe doing these things have really keep me going and helped me learn about my body.

Best wishes. Hang in there it's a marathon and a journey!

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Hello emoticon I'm 62 and (diagnosed) insulin resistant and need to get on board with low carb eating per my doctor's suggestion. I am looking forward to joining in and also getting some advice!

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